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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Yorkshire (East Riding & York) => Topic started by: linda c on Tuesday 16 February 10 18:24 GMT (UK)
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I have reached a brick wall in my research. Unfortunately my surname is very common. I am researching the "Wright" family history.
I started well and have traced back to the marriage of Robert Wright and Hannah Marshall at Holy Trinity, Hull 27 Dec. 1846. They were both of full age. Robert was a cordwainer and his father was George Wright, a labourer.
I believe Robert died about 1855 as his widow remarried Richard Thompson 1859.
On 1861 census there is Hannah & Richard Thompson and Richard's stepchildren Richard, Thomas and Mary Wright.
There is a family in 1851 census giving Robert Wright (cordwainer) b Atwick but he appears again in 1861 census so this would rule him out for me.
Sorry for the long ramble, but can anyone help or point me in the right direction.
Thanks
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Hi
So are you asking if we can find the family on the 1851 census?
If so - can you post details of the birthyears and birthplaces for the 3 Wright children you found on the 1861 census
You have posted on the Common Room board so no clues as to whereabouts the Thompson's were living in 1861 - was it Yorkshire or elsewhere
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Hi
This is where my curiosity kicks in - how do you know that it was the same Hannah (nee Marshall) who married Richard Thompson?
The Robert Wright aged 37 on the 1861 who was a shoemaker was b Atwick and wife was Hannah aged 35 b Newland - dtr Emma aged 12 b Hessle
In 1851 they have a 2yr old dtr Emma
Robert was a cordwainer and his father was George Wright, a labourer.
Per IGI
ROBERT WRIGHT Christening: 23 APR 1823 Atwick, Yorkshire
Father GEORGE WRIGHT Mother: HANNAH
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Hi Carole
thanks for your reply. In 1861 census RG9/3575 folio 103 page22, Richard Wright is 14, Thomas Wright is 8 and Mary Wright is 6 all born Hull, Yorkshire.
Hannah Thompson is 36 also born Hull. Have been unable to find her (as Hannah Wright) and Richard with Robert Wright in 1851 census.
In Sept quarter 1859 found a marriage for Hannah Wright and Richard Thompson (Sculcoates 9d 218) Sculcoates is a parish of Hull.
Since Hannah's youngest child, Mary is 6 in 1861 I suppose Robert died between 1855 and 1859.
I believe the Robert Wright born Atwick was still alive and kicking in 1861 census
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Hi
I just wondered if you were researching the right Hannah. The 1846 marriage cert shows Robert as a cordwainer (shoe maker) and his father as George
The 1851 and 1861 census for Robert & Hannah Wright shows him as a cordwainer and b Atwick. No other Robert Wright with a wife Hannah with that occupation in 1851
The IGI entry shows Robert's father was George
So all of the above details match the profile you gave
Are you descended from one of the 3 Wright children? If so - do you have a copy of one of their birth certs showing Hannah's maiden name was Marshall
The 1859 marriage cert for Hannah & Richard Thompson - does that show her fathers surname as Marshall? YorkshireBMD shows the marriage was at All Saints Sculcoates so it can be looked up at the records office in the parish registers to get that info
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Thanks Carole - will try to get to the records office and check out the 1859 marriage in the Parish Records. Still wondering where Richard Wright aged 4 was in 1851 census.
On Thomas' marriage record 1879, his father Robert is deceased but his occupation isn't cordwainer - it's hard to read but looks like possibly "dairyman" Does seem a drastic change of occupation.
Also have not found Thomas in1871 census when he would be about 17.
My grandfather was Robert Arthur Wright b1884 Hull
His father was Thomas Wright b1852/53 Hull
His father was Robert Wright dob unknown
His father was George Wright
Linda
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Do you actually have the Birth Cert of Thomas showing his Mother as Hannah Marshall??
Trish :)
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Hi
I have a feeling that you have the wrong census entries. My mother was a Wright so I know how careful you have to be when researching that surname
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Hi,
There is a marriage between Robert Wright (father is Thomas Wright) and Hannah Johnson at the Holy Trinity Church, Hull on 2 Dec 1850.
This would have made Richard born c 1847 either illegitimate or to another husband.
Have mentioned this marriage as personally I do not think the 1846 is yours! Have searched and searched the 1851 census but to no avail. As already mentioned it would help if you find out Hannah's fathers name from the 1859 marriage.
Kath
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Thought before I gave up on the 1851, I would have a look on FindMyPast as opposed to A****y. Anyway found a Richard Johnson born c1847 and using the advanced search facility he is living with a Robert Wright 1814, Hannah Wright 1825 and Isabella Wright 1778. Cannot find them at all on A*y aaargh!
The age of Hannah fits with the 1861 census as does Richard's. Also there is a death on wwwyorkshirebmd.org in 1855 for a Robert Wright, aged 42 (c1813), which also fits nicely.
Also looked up Robert and Isabella Wright on the 1841 census and they are both cowkeepers, which I am sure would fit in with Dairyman on Thomas's marriage cert.
Kath
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Thanks Carole, Trish, Katherine
a lot to think about here. I will check the Parish Records for Hannah's father's name on her marriage to Richard Thompson. I should get the birth certificate for Thomas to confirm Hannah's maiden name.
Katherine, it was most interesting your comments on the Wright family of cowkeepers. I had come across this 1851 census entry before and then lost the record. I posted on here and someone found it for me - I seem to remember it was not on Ancestry as some pages were missing, I think the address was North Street, Hull. The head of the household was a widow and then I was confused as Robert & Hannah were both said to be married yet their relationship to the head was "cowkeeper's son & daughter.
Interestingly there were 2 x 4year old grandsons looked like Richard Johnson and Charles Thompson. Hmm.
Looks like you and Carole could be right and I had the wrong Robert & Hannah.
Thanks again everyone
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Hi Linda,
- I seem to remember it was not on Ancestry as some pages were missing, I think the address was North Street, Hull.
This was also the address in 1841 as follows (all were born in county):
65 North St, Holy Trinity Hull (H0107/1231, Folio 9, Page 11)
Isabella Wright, 60, Cow Keeper
Robert " , 25, " "
Ann Mercy , 15, D. Serv
James Wright, 5
Missed off that the Hannah's fathers name on the 1850 marriage entry was Thomas Johnson.
Kath
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Hi Linda,
If you get stuck or find the right person you want, we have the 1851 census index for east yorks,
gogogadgetlegs
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Thanks for that gogogadgetlegs - will bear that in mind.
Linda
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Thanks for all the info Katherine - you have really put yourself out for me and I am most grateful.
This family look much more likely - everything seems to fit in nicely. Even Richard born c1847 - I had been unable to find him on any census.
If he was born to Hannah Johnson (illegitimate) of course he would have been Richard Johnson. Presumably after Hannah married Robert Wright 1850 he was either adopted by Robert or just took his name (did the lower classes legally adopt then?).
The death of the Robert Wright 1855 fits with my Robert's age and allows for the birth of Mary born c1855 and Hannah's remarriage in 1859.
The information on Thomas Wright's marriage entry of his father being a deceased dairyman also fits. Really need to get Thomas Wright born c1853 birth cert. to confirm Hannah's maiden name.
The entry on 1851 census showing 4 yr old Charles Thompson - wonder if there is a link there?
Thanks again
Linda
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Got the Birth Certificate for Thomas Wright born Hull 1852 and yes, his mother's maiden name was Johnson. Everything fits nicely now. Thanks everyone for all your help.
Linda
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That's fantastic Linda, pleased for you; it is very nice to hear the outcome of a thread.
Kath