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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Glamorganshire => Topic started by: kenelms on Friday 12 February 10 18:55 GMT (UK)
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I am trying to help my neice with her family history. Her late mother's family was Currie-Clatworthy who lived in Abercynnon. I would like to know more of David John Currie born in Cwmavon[Neath] b1879 I believe. David John married Hannah Louise Rees[Penygraig,born]
. Any earlier census of David John's parents would be vry helpful. I wonder if there is a Scottish connection [name Curry change along the way].
My neice's late grandfather was Henry Walter Currie B 1905-d1974[lived Abercynon] He married Joyce Clatworthy B1909--Crediton,Newton St Cyres,Devon.
Thankyou
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Hi
As David John was born in 1879 - do you have him with his parents on the 1881 census - no parents names shown above
The 1881 is free to search at http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=census/search_census.asp
If you could then post full details we can try and find more info on his parents for you
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HI
caroleW is right we need more info.
But have looked
Two births-
David Curry 1st qtr 1879 district Neath vol 11a page 561
David John Curry 4th Qtr 1879 district Neath vol 11a page 515
When you look at the 1881 census I have found borh
RG11 5341/84/5
11 Llantwit Rd Neath
Curry
James head b 1847 b Neath Tinplate pickler in tin works
MARY 1848
mary E B 1872
Elizabeth J 1876
DAVID aged 2yrs b 1879
children and mother born Neath
Rg11 5337/8/13
67 Tymaen St Lower Michealstone Neath Glamorgan
Henry b 1857 coalminer
Hannah b 1860
David John aged 1yr b 1880
all born Cwmavon Glamorgan
My suggestion is -Do you have the marriage certificate of George b 1905 this will give his fathers name and you can then go backwards on the census to the above.
Havinfg looked at the 1911 census I think David John's son Henry Walter could well have been names after his grandfather Henry Curry b 1857. Names often run in the family.
1901 Census name spelled Currie Rg13/5004/87/30
1891 census Curry Rg12/4459/33/26
1871 census RG10/5425/95/37
David Curry b 1814 Llantwit Cglamorgan coalminer
ann 1815 ?Talabont Llandilo
William son 1853 wheelright
Henry 1857 coalminer
hope this is of help
chers cardiff ;)
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Thank you. The ties are David John Curry ,Cwmavon and thus his father Henry Curry [not splelt as Currie]. Thus Henry Curry b 1859 is David John's father. Anything on Hannah too. Is there a Scottish connection on the earlier census 1871 and 61.
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With acknowledgements to Crown Copyright TNA.
1871Census
Curry, David, b 1814, Llantwit, Glam
Curry, Ann, b 1815, Talybont, Llandilo (Carm)
Curry, William, b 1853,Cwmavon, Glam
Curry, Henry, b 1857, Cwmavon, Glam
1861 Census
Curay, David, b 1814, Coal Miner, Llantwit, Glam
Curay, Anne, b1815, Llantwit (sic), Glam
Curay, Mary, b 1839, Tin Plate Polisher, Michaelstone-Super-Avon, Glam
Curay, James, b 1839, M-S-A, Glam
Curay, Anne, b 1843, Tin Plate Polisher, M-S-A, Glam
Curay, Sarah, b 1846, M-S-A, Glam
Curay, William, b 1853, M-S-A, Glam
Curay, Henry, b 1857, M-S-A, Glam
1851 Census
Curry, David, b 1814, Coal Miner, Llantwit, Glam
Curry, Anne, b 1814, Llandebie, Carm
Curry, Mary, b 1838, Llangwith, Glam
Curry, David, b 1839, Coal miner, Llangwith, Glam
Curry, James, b 1843, Michaelstone, Glam
Curry, Anne, b 1846, Michaelstone, Glam
Curry, Sarah, b 1848, Michaelstone, Glam
Curry, Margaret, b1850, Michaelstone, Glam
1841 Census
Curry, David, b 1815, Miner
Curry, Anne, b 1815
Curry, Mary, b 1840
Curry, David, b1840
All (inc Anne) born in County (Glam)
Baptismal Record for the Parish of Llantwit Juxta Neath 1813 -
"Baptised 28 August 1813 David, son of James Curry, Farmer, Cefnsaison, Llantwit and Mary Prosser". I think this could be Henry's father. He is amongst my papers since his father, James Curry, is my wife's Gt, Gt, Gt Grandfather, born 1786 Scotland. I have been tracking Jame's daughter Catherine, born 1810.
(Private message sent separately)
regards
hanes teulu
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Great to see 2 trees meeting up ;D
I was just looking up the family on the census and I think that Ann's birthplace in 1871 should be the other way around - Llandeilo Talybont which is in Glamorgan
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/LlandeiloTalybont/index.html
Not that she seems ever so sure about her birthplace.
::)
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Hello,
Henry Walter Currie was my great grandfather. His sister Sylvia researched the Currie/y family history in the 1960's and there was a connection to Scotland (The Outer Hebrides). I have an original copy of her findings that she typed up for members of the family. As this is my first posting I am unable to use the PM facility so not sure the best way to get the info to you.
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Beth,
Very excited by your post. I had hit a "brickwall" with James Curry b. 1786, Scotland.
If your Gt Gt Aunt Sylvia's findings have James and earlier they are a "must have"! But PMs in either direction are out until you have hit the magic three.
Can you confirm that James is included in the information?
regards
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Hi again,
We have James Curry b. 1779 in Benbecula, Outer Hebrides, Scotland and died in 1859 in Neath. I have Census records and a death certificate that tie in with that date and one of the census state he was born in Scotland. Also his father James Curry b. 1737 in Benbecula and died in 1812 in Neath.
James b. 1779 had a son David Curry (father of Henry Curry and grandfather of David John Curry/ie) to his mistress Mary Prosser. Catherine b. 1809/1810 is mentioned - she was one of the children of James and his wife Margaret.
Lots of the names and dates seem to match apart from 1786 - where did that date come from? Would be interesting to know so we can tie things up.
Regards
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Beth,
Our "brickwall" has been well and truly shattered. Xmas and birthday all in one.
Re James d.o.b of 1786 it was based on his age 55 on the 1841 Census. I also have the 1851 return where his age is 71, d.o.b 1780, which accords more with your 1779.
I have a copy of David Curry's Baptismal entry 29 Aug 1813 in the Parish Register of Llantwit Juxta Neath. I can provide a copy (unless you have it already?) once a PM link is established.
Will be in the local Archives tomorrow and will check out James Snr - died Neath 1812.
Thank you so much for getting in touch
regards
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I would love a copy of his baptismal record. I'll send you a copy of Aunty Sylvia's record too as she goes into a bit more detail from her trip to Benbecula that you may find interesting.
Hope you've had some joy at the archives today.
Regards,
Beth
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Beth,
I have a copy of James Snr's 1812 burial entry in the records of Llantwit juxta Neath.
I also copied the burial entry of a "Margaret, daughter of James Curry/Mary Bowen, Neath, December 25th, 1846, aged 1yr 3 mths". Do Sylvia's papers mention this Margaret?
Will be in touch by PM about exchanging papers
regards
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I am fascinated to come across this discussion of a Curry [once the name evolved it will have been Currie] family in Benbecula. The name Currie in whatever form did not exist in Benbecula or South Uist until about 1800. This is not to be rude or contradict what you have found, simply to say that Currie emerged at approaching that date through Anglicisation of the Gaelic surname, MacMhuirich. In Benbecula, Anglicisation of that name, which belonged to the bards and oral historians to the Lords of the Isles and then Clanranald for some twenty generations, became MacPherson and not Currie. It was in South Uist that the Inner Hebridean and mainland translation as Currie occurred. Two different priests is why the one name was traslated two different ways.
The first Currie of whom we have a record in Benbecula came from Barra in about 1832 and later obtained a croft on Eilean Flodda an island off the northeast coast of Benbecula. Funnily enough, there was a marriage at that time to one of the MacPhersons from the bardic family so Currie and MacPherson combined. There was only ever one other Currie family in Benbecula and that was established in the township of Hacklet in the 1840s. There was a James in the first of these families but not until the second half of the 19th Century.
If anyone involved would be so kind as to share, I should be intrigued to know anything more you have on the apparent cuckoo in the nest so long before and where the record exists.
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The research into the Curry/ie family tree was carried out in the 60's by a great aunt. Unfortunately, she passed away some years ago so I cannot find out the exact source of her information but here is an excerpt from her findings - don't know that it will really help. I would welcome your comments.
"My research took me back to 1737 to an island called Benbecula, Outer Hebrides, Scotland.
I paid a visit to this island in 1966 and had an interview with the local genealogical expert, also descendants of a union between Currie/y and the MacDonalds of ClanRanald. They told me that in the 17th century John Roy Curry (the name was then spelt the Gaelic way) came up from Barra, Outer Hebrides. After the defeat of Scotland at Culloden, where the Curry’s fought under the Shield of MacDonald of ClanRanald, the Western Isles and the Highlands were cleared and thousands emigrated forcibly.
They told me the Curry’s had a fishing smack, also a boat or ship which traded with the Clyde Ports and was known to go down as far as the Isle of Man and the Welsh coast. They were also running a croft, remains of which are still in existence. This croft was on the North Eastern part of Benbecula and after the Clearances some Curry’s went to an island between Benbecula and North Uist and some went south either to Scotland or to South Wales, presumably by boat."
Thanks,
Beth
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So did the Currie family move onto Eilean Fhlodaigh after some of the MacDonald families left in 1827? I thought all 6 crofts were MacDonald people at one time.