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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => London & Middlesex Lookup Requests => London and Middlesex => England => London & Middlesex Completed Lookup Requests => Topic started by: Brian on Friday 12 February 10 09:03 GMT (UK)
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Hello London experts,
I have lost a family in the 1891 Census and believe their address to be 40, Charing Cross Road. I have found 39 in St Anne's Soho, obviously (?) 40 is on the other side of the road, before I trawl through the whole St Anne's set, would it be in the same parish or should I be looking elsewhere, like St Giles in the Fields or....??
I don't want a look up, just to know where to look!
TIA
Brian
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Can you say where you got the address ?
There doesn't appear to be a 40 Charing Cross Road in 1891.
40 Charing Cross Road is listed as the Wyndhams Theatre in 1901, and is crossed out.
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Hello Nick,
Thank you for that - at least I am not imagining things. It came from the London Gazette which says that he was formerly carrying out a business there in a bankruptcy proceeding. It also lists three other addresses (this is in 1896) and I have checked those to no effect. He has a daughter christened in Westminster in June 1890 so was obviously around less than a year before.
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Wyndhams Theatre was designed in 1898 and opened in November 1899. It thus seems extremely likely that it was built on the site of 40 Charing Cross Road.
David
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What an interesting character, Brian ! Have you found him on any of the censuses ?
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Very interesting fact David, thank you. One is tempted to think he may have been the death knell for No 40!
Yes Nick I have him 1861-1881 and 1901 but not 1911. He is an interesting character and obviously had quite differing jobs which he seemed to change at the drop of a hat ;)
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Just to mention that Charing Cross Road wasn't built until about 1880.
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While that is true for great deal of its length it followed two existing streets, Castle Street and Crown Street which were widened and not all properties were demolished. The standard of a lot of the new properties was also criticised for being very poor and so demolishing and replacing one twenty years later was not surprising.
David
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Just to mention that Charing Cross Road wasn't built until about 1880.
That's true, but there was a Charing Cross as early as 1291, which was originally called Eleanor Cross, in the hamlet of Charing, which was a monument put there by Edward I, in memory of his wife Eleanor of Castile. It was later known as Charing Cross, and the cross was replaced in 1675 by a statue of King Charles I on a horse. The area was redeveloped with the building of the railway station, and Charing Cross also gave its name to a hospital, hotel, and a threatre, as well as the new road.
When I was a lad, I thought Charing Cross was named after the station :o All they ever taught us at school was the bloomin' Romans ::)
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Nick and David, going back to my original question where should I be looking in 1891 for No 40 and its surrounding properties? I find this all very difficult and am trawling through the descriptions of enumeration districts with no luck as I simply do not know enough about the parish layout of the area and cannot find anything particularly helpful anywhere. The GENUKI outline map is terribly vague and gives no indication of the adjoining areas either :-\
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Wyndhams Theartre still exists and is very close to Leicester Square Tube Station on the eastern side of Charing Cross Road. That is just south of the junction with Cranbourne Street. Its address today seems to be 32-36 Charing Cross Road. The tube station was opened in 1906.
David
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David, take a look at RG12 Piece 88 Folio 206 Pages 44 and 45 - this covers 43, and 55 to 143 Charing Cross Road (with some gaps) and also Albany Mansions and Gloucester Mansions - numbers 50 to 56 are described as "empty" - maybe for demolition ?.
Could you give us references for the censuses where you've found him ?
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Thanks Nick, I take it you mean me for the references ;)
Census 1861 RG9/195/67/10/54
Census 1871 RG10/326/81/14/62
Census 1881 RG11/319/105/52/422
Census 1901 RG13/2806/59/18/126
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Yes, thanks :)
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Well yesterday I had a look at RG12 Piece 88 Folio 206 Pages 44 and 45 and then trawled through St Anne Soho Districts one to eight, suffering from glazed eyes so taking the morning off to see snowdrops! Will do the rest of the districts later and move on to St Giles in the Fields.
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I don't envy you. He does seem to be very prepared to travel. He could have been many miles away from the area before the procedings started. I've been looking for him or his family in the 1911 census with no joy - unfortunately Ellis is a very common name, and his wife and children didn't have christian names that would set them apart.
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All,
I run the London Pubs history site, on which there are many entries for Charing Cross Road, over the years - eg. http://deadpubs.co.uk/LondonPubs/StMartins/Porcupine.shtml
If you use the search engine it can be useful as an early street directory; and also lists many people who can be used as a census search for a period in time.
There are also links to some excellent map resources. All free.
Best
Kevan
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I've used your excellent site Kevan :)
It helped me find out the name of the pub that my grandfather was living above in Maze Hill Greenwich in 1905.
Keep up the good work ! 8)
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Thanks Kevan, very useful.
Nick
Census 1911 RG14/2382/RG78/79/26/6/13/181 Earlsfield St Andrew Wandsworth SRY
frustratingly wife and two children. She's not a widow! Marriage details fit.
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I have had a good look in the surrounding area and simply cannot find him, your site was extremely helpful in pinning down where this area was Kevan. I will use it again no doubt, thanks for all your hard work.
Brian
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Hello Brian . I'm researcing the bartons who married into the Ivett family from great eversden . Any help you could give would great my email address should you choose to reply is (*)
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