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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Yorkshire (West Riding) => England => Yorkshire (West Riding) Lookup Requests => Topic started by: Tisy on Friday 05 February 10 10:04 GMT (UK)
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Further to my posts of some months ago re William Henry Marshall b. 1857 at Barnsley Union Workhouse, illigitimate s.o. Mary Marshall b. 1835, it now appears from DNA testing that William Henry's father may have been a person by the name of Wood. It seems that we fall into the Haplogroup R1b1b2a1b4c1 (L20) and are awaiting confirmation of this from FamilyTreeDNA following a "deep clade test".
Are there any participants out there by the name of Wood who have had their Y-DNA tested who may be willing to compare their results?
Any help would be much appreciated.
Kind regards,
Tisy
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Hi Tisy,
I have already maped the Marshal has potential L20 candidate.
One of the Marshal sample already figure on my spreadsheet.
The research can be found following this link: http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=105195078464874448682.000478e5a8ff62f591caa&t=h&z=5
If you click the " i " on the vertical left menu, it will open the spearsheet. marshal can be found in theKingdom of Mercia Division A Cluster.
You have to keep me posted about how goes your deep clad test.
Best regards,
Steve Gilber
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Hi Steve,
We have already been in touch via Y-Search; the Marshall on your system is indeed our William Henry b. 1857. There must of course be more descendants of William Henry Marshall out there - he had five sons -
Albert Marshall b. about 1880
George b. about 1887
Walter b. about 1888
William Henry b. March 1890 (my grandfather)
Joseph Arthur b. March 1899
It would be good if we could find some of these descendants, as well as people from the Barnsley area by the name of Wood so that we can compare DNA.
I will be in touch with the deep clade tests once they are to hand (around 22 Feb.)
Cheers,
Tisy
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Hi Tisy
I'm not sure but your "William Henry Marshall" could be my Grt Grand Father. He married a
Gertrude Turnbull
I believe he came from
Nether Hallam West Riding his son my Grand Father "Frank Earle Marshall" born 1901 Lived in Ecclesall West Riding. Married Agnes Bray
My Father "Frank Earle Marshall "deceased"
The problem I am having is sorting out who's who with the sheer number of Marshall's in that area.
I have some original funeral receipts and Canadian emigration papers
Regards Paul Earle Marshall
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I'm not sure but your "William Henry Marshall" could be my Grt Grand Father.
He married a Gertrude Turnbull I believe he came from Nether Hallam West Riding
his son my Grand Father "Frank Earle Marshall" born 1901 Lived in Ecclesall West Riding.
Hi Paul,
Tisy has not been on rootschat for a while but hopefully will receive notification of your post
Was Gertrude previously married? The reason I ask is
There appears to be a two William Henry Marshall who have married a Gertrude, one was born c1856 the other born c 1871 both have sons named Frank one born 1882 Sheffield the other Frank born c1902 Sheffield his middle name is Earle
1881 living Ecclesall Bierlow Nether Hallam
William Hy 1856 Sheffield
Gertrude 1859
children William 1876 Sheffield , Frank 1882 , Matthew 1888
possible marriage for above couple
1879 Ecclesall B
William Marshall name on same page Gertrude FLINDER
then we have living with Gertrude’s parents John & Sarah CHAPMAN on 1901 census a
William Hy Marshall born 1871 Sheffield and his wife Gertrude born 1878
1911 census is free to view for a limited time on Anc*y
this looks to be their marriage entry on FreeBMD
1897 Sheffield William Henry Marshall name on same page Gertrude TURNBALL
Do you have the b/c of Frank Earle Marshall giving maiden name of mother Gertrude
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Hello Ladyhawk.
unfortunately I have only been on roots a short time as a result not very proficient.
I can definitely say My Grand Father was Frank Earle Marshall born in Ecclesall West Riding in Jun/Jul 1901 he married Agnes Bray
His father William Henry Marshall married Gertrude Turnbull/Turnball
There is a rather interesting story attached but far too long to put in a post. If I had a personal email I would be glad to send you a update
Regards Paul
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I can definitely say My Grand Father was Frank Earle Marshall born in Ecclesall West Riding in Jun/Jul 1901 he married Agnes Bray
His father William Henry Marshall married Gertrude Turnbull/Turnball
Frank Earle Marshall age 23 (born c1901) Sheffield
Date of Arrival: 23 Mar 1924
Port of Arrival: Saint John, New Brunswick
Port of Departure: Sheffield
Ship Name: Montclare
just for info. below is the reference number for the 1901 census
William Henry & Gertrude Marshall living with her parents JOHN & Sarah Chapman at
15 Thoresby Road Nether Hallam Sheffield ref: 1901 RG13; Piece: 4342; Folio: 169; Page: 40
It’s probably Gertrude’s mother who remarried a John CHAPMAN (although not found their marriage)
Gertrude’s father appears to be named James TURNBULL see censuses below
1891 census Gertrude age 13 parents JAMES & Sarah TURNBULL
plus sister Rebecca living at 24 Bloo(?) Street Nether Hallam Sheffield boarding with them is
William H MARSHALL age 20 Sheffield occ Brass Caster, William’s occupation ties in with later censuses he's a Brass Moulder
1881 census shows Gertrude age 3 Sheffield parents James & Sarah
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XQND-YPJ
1881 census William H Marshall age 11 Sheffield parents Henry & Elizabeth Ann
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XQNC-D49
possible baptism for father Henry
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NVTC-32N
I don't have any connection to the Marshall family but by all means you can send me a PM (personal message - just click on the left hand icon for PM) if I can help with any further information I will let you know :)
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Apologies
Having followed the 1881 census William H Marshall with parents Henry & Eliza Ann backwards he appears to be a different William Henry Marshall (as per 1891c above)
This William Henry is in fact the step son of Henry Marshall he's on the 1891 census as a William Henry WILKINSON born c1880 Sheffield
there is another William H Marshall born c1871 Sheffield on 1881 census parents are Charles & Agnes (Charles & Agnes married 1878 Agnes must be his step mother)
1881c https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XQ87-2QL
Charles & Agnes Marshall are living on their own in Salford in 1891
RG12; Piece: 3215; Folio: 104; Page: 26
30 Jun 1878 St Stephen, Salford, Lancashire
Charles MARSHALL 39, Decorator, Bachelor, 1 Rigby Street father William occ Mechanic
Agnes HEAP (X), 40, Widow, 1 Rigby Street father William RICHARDSON oc Joiner
Witness: James Hulme; Emma Hulme
Obtaining the 1897 marriage certificate of William Henry Marshall to Gertrude Turnbull would confirm his father's name & occupation,
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Hi Paul,
Welcome to RootsChat :)
I am sorry but itsy's email address is currently not working so he is not aware of your new reply :'( but he was online in the last 10 months so lets hope he is back in touch with us soon.
Regards
Sarah :)
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Hello Sarah
What a mess I don't think I will ever get to the bottom of my roots its a bit complicated.maybe Tisy has lots of answers , I must not get too hopeful, Tisy may not come back on line, I can only wait.
Que sera
Regards Paul
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Hi Paul,
I would suggest that you start off a totally new thread with where you are upto with your research, names dates etc sometimes it needs an extra pair of eyes to have a look at the problem :)
Regards
Sarah :)
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Hi Paul - I am back on Rootschat a long last. It appears that our William Henrys are not one and the same people. Ours was the illegitimate son of Mary Marshall. He was born 1857 at the Barnsley Workhouse in Gawber Street. We have never been able to establish just who his father was, despite DNA testing. Mary was the d.o. Thomas Marshall b. 1808 and Sarah Smith. There definitely were links to the Wilkinson family later on. If you can let me have your email address I could invite you to see our tree on Zoompast.
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Welcome back Tisy :D
Can you please confirm that you are picking up our email notifications ?
If members wish to swap email details, the safe way is to do it by sending a pm or may Tisy can simply send a link to her tree ?
Regards
Sarah
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Hi Sarah - yes - receiving the email notifications ok!
Many thanks,
Tisy