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Title: A plaque on a NZ beach *COMPLETED*
Post by: Annette Witherby on Thursday 04 February 10 02:13 GMT (UK)
Hello All.

I guess this will seem crazy, please forgive me.

I have been told by a relative that the brothers of my g grandmother had a plaque erected on a New Zealand beach when they took part in a rescue.

The location of the beach is unknown but I think it may be in the South Island.
Names with connection are Timaru, Waimate and Hokittka.

Unfortunately there is nothing else I can add.
Just maybe - if it has not fallen down there may be a sign.

Their names are Daniel and Isaac Bradley who were born in England and Aust. in the mid 1880's.
Hoping someone may be able to help me.

Regards,
Annette
Title: Re: A plaque on a NZ beach
Post by: Lin Up a Tree on Thursday 04 February 10 03:01 GMT (UK)
Hi Annette! :*)

This is a story I found, it seems, about the rescue:
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=CL18820519.2.5.2&srpos=7&e=-------10--1----0benvenue+bradley-all

... and this article mentions about the monument:
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=NZTR19220527.2.39&srpos=1&e=-------10--1----0benvenue+bradley-all


This then lead me to find this awesome page about the monument:
(complete with photos & mentions of your ancestors)
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nzlscant/benvenue.htm
Title: Re: A plaque on a NZ beach
Post by: Lin Up a Tree on Thursday 04 February 10 03:16 GMT (UK)
p.s.

Think there's a good chance that this memorial is still there -- at least according to Google maps you can see a recent photo of it in the middle of Sophia Street, Timaru.

 :)
Title: Re: A plaque on a NZ beach
Post by: Lucy2 on Thursday 04 February 10 03:17 GMT (UK)
Hi Annette

Not crazy at all.   :)

Actually the wreck of the "Benvenue" 1882 at Timaru sprung to mind when I read your post (I too had  "rellie" who was involved in the rescue) and so I knew about the plaque.

EDIT:   Post amended ... I see info has since been provided.    :)

~   Lu
Title: Re: A plaque on a NZ beach
Post by: Lucy2 on Thursday 04 February 10 04:10 GMT (UK)
Hello again Annette

At the Timaru Cemeteries database, you will find photos of the headstone for Phillip and family.    [I suspect too that Isaac is also buried there ?]

http://www.timaru.govt.nz/


~   Lu
Title: Re: A plaque on a NZ beach
Post by: GailS on Thursday 04 February 10 04:22 GMT (UK)
Hi,

Must be something going round, as I have a "rellie" (by marriage) who assisted on the rescue also.

I only just found the info late last year, but isn't it great to have info like that to find  ;D

My sister lived in Timaru for years, must have walked past that monument in Sophia street for years and never knew.

Gail.
Title: Re: A plaque on a NZ beach
Post by: Annette Witherby on Thursday 04 February 10 06:16 GMT (UK)
Dear All.

I truly cannot believe it!!

How astounding is that?   I am just going to print everyting out and study everything.
When in NZ many years ago, my husband seeing a monument in the  main street of Timaru. Maybe this could have been the one.
I had not researched the Bradleys at that time.

My grandfather, Horace Morgan SOUTHAN was born in Timaru in 1877. His Mother was Martha Jane BRADLEY.
I understood that she only had 2 brothers, Daniel and
Isaac but according to the records there was a 3rd, Philip. I have so much to research!

Thankyou again for all your help, I cannot thank you enough
I am so excited.
Regards to all,
Annette
Title: Re: A plaque on a NZ beach
Post by: Lucy2 on Thursday 04 February 10 08:05 GMT (UK)

....   His Mother was Martha Jane BRADLEY.
I understood that she only had 2 brothers, Daniel and
Isaac but according to the records there was a 3rd, Philip. I have so much to research!


Oooh  .... looks like there was a 4th brother ?   :D  ;D

Passengers per the "Alma" - arrived Wellington 1857 :

BRADLEY - Henry (32) -- Ann (26) -- Daniel [8] -- Henry (6) --Philip (4) -- Ann (3)  :

Link to passenger list  >>

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ourstuff/Alma.htm

~  Lu



 
Title: Re: A plaque on a NZ beach
Post by: Annette Witherby on Thursday 04 February 10 08:49 GMT (UK)
Hi Lu.

My goodness you have given me much food for thought.

Have never heard of the child Ann so this is interesting.

Many thanks,
Annette
Title: Re: A plaque on a NZ beach
Post by: Lucy2 on Thursday 04 February 10 09:58 GMT (UK)
Hi Annette

Ann BRADLEY was the wife of the brother-in-law (Mr SUNAWAY), mentioned in one of the earlier links provided by Lin.

NZ Marriage

Ann Rebecca BRADLEY - George Edward SUNAWAY - 1870

BDM records at  >>>

http://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/Home

~   Lu
Title: Re: A plaque on a NZ beach
Post by: Annette Witherby on Thursday 04 February 10 10:49 GMT (UK)
Hello Lu.

I cannot get my head around Ann Rebecca who married George Sunaway.

My Ann Bradley married to Henry Bradley had a mum called Rebecca and I just cannot fit the other Ann into my puzzle.  At least not tonite.  I am taking all the notes to read in bed so things may be clearer in the morning.

Thanks again,
Annette
Title: Re: A plaque on a NZ beach
Post by: Cynlynian on Friday 05 March 10 08:59 GMT (UK)
Yes the Perth Street Memorial still stands. (City of Perth was the other vessel involved - later refloated) It was erected the year following the disaster, and serves to commeorate all lives lost at sea in the annual seafarers service in conjunction with the adjacent St Mary's Church. The South Canterbury Museum has a lot of information about shipwrecks - they almost wrecked ('scuse the pun) Timaru's reputation as a harbour until a breakwater was built. I think that the only person who perished in the rescue, the Harbour master Captain Mills, has a marked grave - all the others are in unmarked graves, so their ownly memorial is this one. Archives at SC Museum can give you plenty of background information. I used to work at the museum  as educator and often took children to visit the memorial and down to the scene - which is now covered in sand! I believe the anchor chain from the Benvenue still exists somewhere.

hope this helps
Title: Re: A plaque on a NZ beach
Post by: Annette Witherby on Saturday 06 March 10 22:39 GMT (UK)
Thankyou for your information.

I have been amazed at the response and delighted to receive your imput.

To have worked at the museum and taken the children down to the area is the closest we have.

Thankyou  again.

Annette
Title: Re: A plaque on a NZ beach
Post by: Cynlynian on Sunday 07 March 10 00:03 GMT (UK)
Hi

It (the wreck) was really a biggie for Timaru's history. If you like I can photograph the memorial and plaques for you?  anything else you want I could pop into the archives and have a look - there is a whole section in the museum dedicated to local shipwrecks, and if I recall I transcribed a lot of first person accounts as the tradgedy unfolded.

cheers

Cynthia
Title: Re: A plaque on a NZ beach
Post by: silverienz on Monday 24 May 10 10:30 BST (UK)
Hi there, I too have a relative that assisted in saving lives at the shipwrecks in Timaru. Charles Moore, if anyone can find any info on him i would be very greatful, i'm trying to figure out when he came out to NZ, obviously he was here in 1882 when the shipwrecks occured. But he didn't marry until 1892. He was listed as a Master Mariner, so i'm thinking he may have made a few trips to NZ. Any info appreciated.
Title: Re: A plaque on a NZ beach
Post by: Thamesite2017 on Monday 24 May 10 10:38 BST (UK)
have you seen the papers past reports for charles
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=THD18820530.2.27&srpos=74&e=--1882---1884--100--1----2%22charles+moore%22-all

http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=THD18820515.2.6&srpos=75&e=--1882---1884--100--1----2%22charles+moore%22-all
BYe
althea
Title: Re: A plaque on a NZ beach
Post by: silverienz on Monday 24 May 10 11:01 BST (UK)
Thanx, yes i had read those before, good reading :-)