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Research in Other Countries => South Africa => Topic started by: peep on Thursday 17 March 05 15:09 GMT (UK)
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In my great grandfathers house during the 1901 census there was a visitor from Natal . Her name was Mary E Teasdale aged 23 and single. As I have not been able to find her I presume she was born in South Africa. I would very much like to know who her family were. Four years later Ida Constance Bowen (my great aunt) married a chap called Robert Hesom and they emmigrated to Natal .I have found 2 Hesoms on The Nile shipin 1850 going to Durban. Can anybody give me any info on this family?
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hi there,
Sorry i cannot find anything on Mary Teasdale except this death motice for her in 1954
DESCRIPTION SHOESMITH, MARY EDITH. FORMERLY MELDRUM. FORMERLY WILSON. BORN TEASDALE. BORN IN PIETERMARITZBURG, NATAL.
I got a bit confused with your Hesom family - when did they come out? in 1905 or 1850.
Many thanks
Ruth
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thanks for your reply regarding Mary E Teasdale but I think that this is the wrong person. My Mary was born in 1878 or thereabouts. I have found that a G W Teasdale wasin the Boer war1899 1902. Maybe a relative? With regard to Hesom. Robert Hesom was acorporal in that same war and he returned to Natal with his wife Ida in 1905, he was 31 and she was 25. I think that some of his family were already there as i have found a G T hesom and a R hesom on The Nile ship in 1850 going to Natal. Roberts father was a G T. Any info would be most welcome. Many thanks. Ps the sun is shining in England today!
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have a look at the Archives
http://www.national.archsrch.gov.za/sm300cv/smws/sm300ds?20050323154753C7A1BB60
This is a search I did for Hesoms - double click each entry. Where there is a single name ,and probably the ref letters msce, - it means this is the death notice for the person. Letters ssp are surviving spouse, and pds means predeased spouse. It may be worthwhile to get GT's deaths notice as it will list all the children. Illiquid cases are divorce or legal cases. Have fun playing around with the search engine - select hesom and individual names.
If you get stuck give me a shout!
ruth
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these are all the Hesoms in the phone book in SA- and I was at school with a few of them. Just need to find out where they are! The 03 numbers are Natal ie 9 of them- looks like there are Hesoms still living in Estcourt so will phone when I am up there. not too difficult a task.
Ruth
Durban, Natal
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hi there. Many thanks for the info on the Hesom family. G T Hesom must have been quite a pioneer. I am sifting through all info but i cannot make out if he was born in England or S.A. Your info has also unearthed another of my relatives that i have been trying to trace. I would still like to find out when Ida constance Hesom died and did she have any children. Iam also trying to trace another chap called Percy St John Bowen. Iwonder if he came your way late 1800s or so. Cheers. All the best.
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Hello Ruth. The Mary Teasdale that you found was the correct person after all. I applied for a death notice of Bernard Malim Bowen and she appeared as Executrix of his will dated 12/9/99 and he died on 28/3/00 at Lidgetton after being wounded at Ladysmith. On the death notice itself his name is down as Bill Bowen. Why would this be? His rank or proffession merely is down as R.S.M. Any ideas as to what this means? Mary must have meant something to my family to have turned up in their house in England almost 2 years later. I have been told i can apply for aDeceased Estate Files. What would they tell me ,and how do i go about this? All of my investigation started when my last survivng ancient uncle said "I wish i knew something about my family" That was last year. Unfortunately he has recently died, but i am hooked.
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Just my two cents worth - R.S.M. - if he was in the army it's Regimental Sergent Major. My father was one. Again on my dad - his name was Charles Henry, but he consistently went by Bill - no idea why. If I had not know differently I would have used that name to register his death - so perhaps whoever did that only put down what they knew his name to be?
Also if you ever find Mary's connection to the name MELDRUM I'd love for you to post it. My great grandmother's maiden name was MELDRUM from Hartlepool, County Durham. She also lived in S.A. from abt. 1882-1889, but I believe she went by the last name of WALLER by then.
Linda.
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Hi Linda. I have found that Mary was married to a chap called William Meldrum who died in 1925. If you look on the Pietermaritzburg Archives Repository site there you will find loads of Meldrums and Wallers .Peep.
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Thanks Peep, I will try that one. So far all my leads have turned out to be the wrong ones, but I'll keep trying!
Linda.
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I have looked at the burial index and seen that the Teasdale family are all buried in the lidgeton area - so the most likely explanation is that Mary was probably a girlfriend who nursed him after he was injured.
Ruth
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Hello to all Hesom and related family searchers/researchers! This is my first visit to this site, it wasn't here last time I did a Hesom search, so this is very exciting! In reply to one of the enquiries about Robert and Ida Constance Hesom (nee Bowen) - they were my grandparents. Robert was born in South Africa and he and Ida met when he was invited to ride behind Queen Victoria's carriage on the occasion of her Silver Jubilee. I understand that they returned to South Africa in 1907 when my father, Bernard (their firstborn) was six months old. They had two other surviving children out of five born to them, Leonie and Jack. They lived a rather nomadic life stretching from Harrismith to Natal to the Kimberley diamond fields to Knysna and onward to Northern Rhodesia. Robert died in 1948 in Luanshya, Northern Rhodesia and Ida in about 1968 in Cape Town. I am in possession of a sketchy family tree which includes Wades, Arbuthnots and others that I would need to look up. I also have a couple of early newspaper clippings about early Hesoms in the Pietermaritzburg area. I would love to connect up with any of you who are distant relatives and exchange info!
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Hi I got into your chat and saw that you wanted info on the Hesom family, that is my grandfather's name. His grandfather was GTHesom. They lived in Pietermaritzburg. There were 2 boys that were sent out to SA by their mother to be raised by the Wade family from Dundee. As far as I can remember from my mothers stories he was quite wealthy when he died, having worked as a transport rider from Durban up to the goldfields. If I can be of any help please call back. My name is Marion Johansson.
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Hi Marion,
Thank you so much for responding. Yes I am very keen to know anything and everything about the Hesom family. I know that the two brothers were very active in the late 1800s and early 1900s in the Maritzburg, Dundee, etc areas and that there is a street named after one of them in Maritzburg. What is your grandfather's first name? He is very likely my father's cousin. Am a bit pushed for time at the moment, but would love to continue with this conversation as soon as time permits. Till then .. Kind regards, Rosie
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My grandfather's name was George Plummer Cyril Hesom. He had 2 brothers and 2 sisters. My mum was a Rae Cynthia Hesom now Montgomery, and her older sister was Wendy Belle Hesom. If you want to know more I will contact my mum and find out more. I have a second cousin in England who is the daughter of Grandfather's younger brother. Marion
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PS My Mom has a lovely photo of Robert on his horse with his uniform on ! She was unaware of what had happened to him and would love to hear more. Regards Marion
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I have found a G T Hesom born 1843 in Rugby England. It appears that most of the Hesoms came from around that area.
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That is very interesting ,we did not know where he came from or what his parents did. There was never any mention of his father, I think that he died. They must have had some means, to be able to send them to Africa. I would be very interested to hear if you get any further back. I have had my mom ask me to give her one cousin this website because she is busy looking into the family tree. Have a nice weekend.
PS How do you get the info, in the archives? I am not very good with the computer, and this is my first time on a chat site.
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Hi Marion. George Thomas had a son Robert and on the !8th July 1905 he married my great aunt Ida Constance Bowen In St Leonards church Bilston England. You can view that church at www. genuki bilston. For enquiries in South Africa look a Rutti Tuttis post above Bilston to South Africa and go to National Archives gov.za. On that sight there is loads of info on the hesom family. They really were pioneers. I havent so far been able to find a brother for George Thomas. Hesom is an unusual name in the uk and they all appear to come from Warwickshre. On the marriage record G.T is listed as a gentleman.
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Thanks, I will have a look.
My grandfather was George Plummer Cyril Hesom, his father was George Thomas Hesom, and his father was George Thomas Hesom. I think that is what my mom said - which one is then Robert's brother? It sounds as though it was my grandfathers fathers brother. My grandfather was born 1898 in SA his father must then have been born at least 25 years before, he being the oldest. That would put it at 1873. So The GT senior was born in 1843. Yes the name is unusual. The name has died out on our branch there are no more men. All the offspring were girls. I have often wondered if they came down from Vikings, I live up Denmark and there is a place called Husum here .My grandad was very tall and blond a real Kirk Douglas/Spencer Tracey look alike, only better looking!!!!! There are also German Hesom's, I found one in Northern Germany.
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Hi Marion, Peep and Rosie – It is interesting for me to hear from others of the Hesom line. My grandfather was Vaughan Hesom and he lived in Dundee (Northern Natal) where he had a farm. There are still Hesoms farming in the area. We have a family tree going back many generations which I don’t have with me in London but I’ll ask my dad in Durban for it. I can never remember which of the two brothers I am descended from. The person who has the most knowledge of how the Hesoms fit together is my uncle, Sandy Hesom, who lives in Northern KwaZulu Natal. Regards, John.
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Hi folks. Have just been recapping, and noticed that Rosi was mentioning the Wade line. On sept 28th 1841 George Hesom married Elizabeth Wade in St Andrews church Rugby. On that same day a George Hesom was baptised and only the name of his mother is given. I have also found Robert Hesom with same parents baptised in same area on 7th dec 1845. I presume that these are the two brothers that were sent to their mothers relatives ( the Wade family) out in SA. Peep.
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Hi,
I am now really confused, Peep -would mean that my great great grandfather George Thomas was baptised and at that time his mother had died or was no more and his dad married a Wade, am I right? That means that they were sent out to the Wades- as family- I never knew what the connection was. I wonder what his deceased mom's name was. We always thought his mom had sent them out. Gosh how extraordinary. He was a real go- getter he left an awful lot of money to his son, which was frittered away and he died a pauper. My grandfather ended up putting his brothers through an education, after he came back from WW1.
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Hi Marion.Have sent you a personal message. Peep.
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Hi again. I misread my notes! G T Hesom was born 1843! I have found him and Robert on the Nile steamship leaving London and arrving Port Natal Sept 1850 Also on this boat. Mrs Alice Wade,J B Wade, Jos Wade.M Wade, W Wade, Wm Wade. On 26th apr1850 John Wade, carpenter, wife Charlotte sons John B, Henry B left London on the Minerva arriving at Port Natal 3rd Jul. Prior to this John Wade farm servant wife Elizabeth, dr Eliza Mary left London 18th Apr1849 arr P Nat18th Jul. James Arbuthnot,w Jane, Children William T, McDuff,Eva, Hubert, arrived in Natal 19th Sept 1850
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My mom is really interested in the story. She had to swallow hard after the one with the marriage and baptism at the same time! There was a moment of silence and then a wry comment. My admiration on the other hand has risen. They were really pioneers. In more than one way or other!
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Hi Marion. This is a good sight. National Archives Of South Africa. Put Hesom in on each sight, and see what comes up. This G.T Hesom, and indeed Robert were real pioneers. Regards Peep.
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Hi Peep, Marion and John, I have unearthed two very interesting articles from some of my Dad's old family information papers - one about the original GT Hesom who arrived with the Wades and another about a Kennard from whom stem the Wades... I will need a few moments than I have right now to type them out for you, but hopefully will get a chance sometime later on today - I can't wait to share them with you! Cheers Rosie
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Hi Peep, Marion & John
Here is one of the articles I found amongst my Dad's papers. It is a newspaper clipping with nothing to indicate which newspaper, nor the date of publication, but presumably it would have been the local Pietermaritzburg paper.
"City Streets ... No 10. An Interesting Life.
Both his parents being deceased, George Thomas Hesom came to Natal with the Byrne settlers (in the Nile under Lidgett's scheme) with his stepfather, Mr Owen and his aunt Mrs Wade.
In the middle 1850s, at the age of 13 years, Hesom traded in Zululand and Swaziland with his stepfather and Mr Vicar Brayhurst. These three Europeans penetrated north of the Lebombo mountains and to many Africans there. Hesom was the first white child they had seen.
As a lad Hesom knew the Zulu chief Chamu very well and had the almost unique experience of being held hostage by Mswazi, leader of the Swazis, on account of some alleged horse trading swindle by another white man.
Hesom was released but forbidden thereafter to enter Swaziland. Among the boers of the Transvaal, Hesom and Brayhurst bartered draperies and groceries for farming stock and wool. When he reached his majority, Hesom traded on his own account but heavy losses during years of depression made him give this up in favour of stock farming in the Biggarsberg vicinity.
In 1882 he came to Pietermaritzburg where he joined his brother, Robert, as a butcher. When the latter died he took over the establishment and bought several others of like kind.
George Hesom retired from business and sat on the Pietermaritzburg City Council from 1908 to 1910. When he died in 1920 a 75 year link with Natal's history was broken."
Isn't it fascinating and quite amazing to know what courage, tenacity and spirit young George Hesom had!
I have another article about somebody Kennard who was the father-in-law of V Wade, will post that next time.
Until then, cheers everyone. Rosie
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Hi Rosi. That is just fantastic. What an amazing person G.T was. There is loads of info about him on the NASA sight. He applied for import licences, and permission to colonise various areas. I take it that it was his brother Robert that died of sunstroke. I dont think that I have any Bowen relatives in S.A, as Bernard Malim Bowen did not marry prior to his death. I am short of only one Bowen Percy St John. Can't find him anywhere. Slippery little critter! Can't wait for the next instalment. Cheers Patricia.
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Hi to all on this posting - it has made fascinating reading , seeing I was at school in Estcourt with some of them. keep up the snippets.
Ruth
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Hi Ruth , Which Hesom was it that you were at school with -my mom and aunt were in Estcourt High in the years before the war
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Sorry! About 40 years later in the early 70's!!! My parents still live in Estcourt.
Ruth
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I don't know if you know any of the Albers that were/ are in Estcourt. My mom's cousin lives there he is the son of a Hesom daughter, my grandfather's sister. She married Jim Jennings who was native commissioner in Nongoma for a while I don't know the whole story, but my mom and aunt were invited to the prince regent at that time's wedding, my mom was about 10 so it must have been 65 years ago, and the wedding took 4 days, my mom was only there for the one day she said it was fascinating. Jim owned a dairy farm in Estcourt that belonged to my grandfather once and he bought it. Noel still lives there as far as I know. I have been a little absent from my computer, my kids are in Mooi River at the moment at boarding school, they should be back next week. I had hoped that they would love it but after Danish life and schools they are spoilt for the more rigid English style schooling system I am afraid.
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Hi there,
Yes the Albers lived down the road from us. We knew the Jennings - my sister was at school with Ken - I think he is living in Durban, somewhere fairly close by - i see his wife from time to time. My parents are about to move to Durban in a few weeks time after being in Estcourt for almost 40 years - not as long as most people in Estcourt!
Ruth
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Hi Marion & Ruth
Don't you just love this .... all the dots starting to connect up and becoming an historical picture! Wonderful stuff! Also quite addictive - I knew it would be!
Marion, did you see the message I posted to you on 23rd August? Were your grandparents George and Isabella and were your dad's brothers and sisters Doris, Isobel, Dudley and Norman? If so, then your dad and mine were first cousins, my dad was the son of Robert Hesom and Ida Bowen.
Our great-grandfather was George Hesom (the one in the newspaper article I posted last week) who married Susannah Walker. Our great-great-grandfather was Robert Hesom of Rugby and he married Elizabeth Wade, one of 10 Wade children - Ann, Alice, Jonathan, Mary, Robert, Joseph, Elizabeth, Catherine, Sophie and William Marston. The following is an article I found in amongst my dad's family papers:
"Notes sent to Aunt Ann Hesom by Robert Large, collected during a cycling tour of Rugby" (no date given)
William Marston was to be married to Betsy Kibworth but they both died unmarried.
Samual Arthur became a parson. Buried in Yardley Church.
Alice came to South Africa. Ancestor of all Wades, also Surtees.
Jonathan went to Australia left all his money to his cousin. Was never heard of again and the banks amalgamated and no trace could be found so the money has disappeared.
Robert Bullivant was a tanner. His daughter wanted to become Mrs Wm Wade, nothing came of it.
Your ancestor (Elizabeth) married Robert Hesom, a builder of Rugby.
Sophie was getting ready for the Church (her wedding). The bells were ringing but changed to tolling when Edward was carried on a hurdle past the house.
The church register went back for many more years but what with bad Latin and the Parsons using the Register, no record of what happened.
The Wades, though appearing by name as far back as 1272 could not be connected up until Robert and one of the Brudenals, ancestors of Lord Cardigan, married two sisters in 1700. Previous to 1495 it was Stonton. The Brudenalles wanted to call it Brudenell. In 1495 Robert Brudenall married Margaret Wyville, and that is where Stonton Wyville got its name.
In 1760 one of the Brudenells was created Baron Brudenell of Stonton Wyville, subsequently Lord Cardigan, leader of the Light Brigade in the Crimea.
Previous to 1820 the Hall near the church was three times as big as now and the seat of the Brudenell (Stonton) at least four times bigger than it is now and a thriving village. He moved practically all Stonton to Deane Hall (Deen) and only left one third of the church. He took the peal of bells to Deene on leaving, one bell of which is inscribed William Wade - Church Warden.
From 1834 all registrations of births and deaths and marriages came under Government control and recorded at Somerset House. Previous to 1834 the records were kept by the Parsons; some neglected and some very good."
I have copied it exactly as I have it in front of me (spelling and all!) and there are some things I can't tie up, eg who was Samuel Arthur? He doesn't appear as one of the Wade children, but maybe he was.
My dad had told us that Lord Cardigan (he of the Charge of the Light Brigade fame!) fitted in somehow, but will need to read the article again slowly to understand where and how he is connected, but it seems it is through marriage and not an ancestor.
My sketchy family tree goes back to two generations before Elizabeth Wade (Mrs Robert Hesom) dating back to about 1700.
Marion - the Aunt Ann mentioned above was our grandfathers' (George & Robert) sister.
I can see that a large piece of A2 paper would come in very handy right now, so that the family can spread out a little and become easier reading!
John (SW19 on this site) has given me the name of someone who is working on a Hesom family history, so I will get in touch with him in the next week or two and see what he has been able to find.
I have one more article to post, but need to get going now, so will have to save that for another time.
Until then, regards to all. Rosie
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Hi Rosi,
What a story !!! Yes, the tree that I come from is the oldest brother of the family ie George Cyril Plummer Hesom who was the brother of Doris, Isabel,Dudley and Norman. He was my grandfather, so that makes you my great aunt! My mom whose name was Rae Cynthia Hesom , Now Rae Cynthia Montgomery, was the youngest daughter of Cyril as he was called and my Gran ,Eilleen May Albers. The oldest daughter being called Wendy Belle (I think). She is now deceased but my mom is 76 and living in south Africa. Dudley has a daughter who lives in England, Margaret Carboni and I have given her this website name. Also My mom's cousin Norma George, who is the daughter of Norman. Gee I get confused with all this, you are right I need my mom here to help my memory. Have to get some ink so that i can print this all out. Will have to continue this another day! Cheers.
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Hello all. What interesting reading this makes. I can't believe that my enquiry regarding my great aunt Ida Constance should end up bringing so much to light. Even my husband is interested! As a matter of interest I understood that George Hesom married Elizabeth Wade on 28th Sept 1841 in Rugby and in 1843 George Thomas was born, then Robert followed in 1845. These two lads were then put aboard the Nile Steamship with Alice Wade and the rest of the Wade family. Fascinating stuff. All the best Patricia.
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Hi again Who was Georgina Hesom b1880, d 1958 father Robert ,his wife being a Newbolt?
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Hi All
Thanks for all that info Marion, gee I've never thought of myself as being old enough to be anyone's great aunt!! Actually, we are probably more like second cousins-once-removed! Will work it out when I get a chance! Sorry, I got your generation wrong, you did tell us that Cyril was your grandfather and not your dad - I just forgot, what with all these generations, names and relationships (and the fact that I do have greying hair)! Can't stop now as I have work to do but will continue next time.
Peep, I will see if there is a Georgina, she is possibly in Robert's line. Will let you know next time. I'm sure you and I are second cousins aren't we, if our parents were first cousins?
Cheers, Rosie
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Hi Rosi. You are always so busy. Yes that does make us second cousins. I have some newspaper cuttings about the Bowen family, however I am very poor at typing so I will have to get wound up. Did you know that Ida's twin brother was Named Horace? For a time he was Music Master at a well known school just up the road from where I live. He also did quite a bit of composing, some of which was published. I have a book that she gave to him called Music Study In Germany. Inside it reads. "To dear Horace with much love from his sister Ida C B. Christmas 1902" Patricia. ps. Did you have a look on the website for St Leonards Bilston?
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Hi Patricia
I see you are on line at the moment ... I was just about to post something to you on the site! Sorry, I have been very remiss about responding to your various postings, all of which have made for fascinating reading - thank you so much for all the info you have supplied and are still going to supply I'm sure!
In answer to one of your earlier queries re Elizabeth Wade (1817-1852) my tree shows that she married Robert Hesom and that their son, also Robert, married Ann Newbold and together they had 6 children - George, Walter, Newbold, Lilian, Owen and Georgina, who you were also querying.
Yes I did know that Ida's twin was Horace but not all the other information about him, thanks for all that. It sounds as if he was a very talented young man, what a shame he died so young. I would love to know more about him. What is the name of the school where he was Music Master?
Growing up I had no idea that Ida had had such a tragic life and suffered so many losses, although I did know about the two babies she lost. I only ever saw her smiling, she was a very dear little person - my name for her was 'Danny' - I still picture her towards the end of her life, sitting at the window of her first floor apartment in Rondebosch (Cape Town) smiling down at me as I arrived to visit her. Now, of course, I have so many questions to ask her ...!
Yes, I eventually remembered to have a look at St Leonard's Church, what a lovely little church it is and it sounds as if it looked that way at the time of Ida and Robert's marriage as well. Fancy you being baptised there also.
Did you receive the private mail I sent you last week?
Looking forward to hearing from you again. Till then, best regards, Rosie.
PS I must remember to tell my cousins and other relatives about this site, they will be equally interested.
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Hi Rosi. I have found some old photos and I am going to try very hard to get them on this post! These children are Ida's nephews. Alan the eldest, Bernard next,Kathleen, and then last my father Ronald. Their father was Alan Lewis Bowen who died in 1921 leaving his wife with four youngsters. The three eldest were sent off to school and my father stayed at home. He was areal tyrant, but very much favoured by his grandma. His mother could not cope with his escapades, and much to his grandmas chagrin she eventually packed him off to school to join the the others. Apparently gt gran said "He will go away over my dead body!" His mother retorted with. "What will be!" Anyway my father was always a free spirit from start to finish. Never a dull moment, but he always had time for his mother, and his siblings. The first photo is them as children, the second is them as young adults.
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Me again. All of those people in the photographs are dead. As far as i know only my grandfather (alan Lewis) your gran Ida and Kendrick had children. Kendrick had two girls. My relatives knew nothing of this until a school reunion some years ago, by which time my father had died. Anyway we had a reunion about twelve months ago. I shall send you a personal message. Bye for now. Peep.
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Hi Rosi. Is one of these ladies Ida?
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Just cannot get this right!
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Hi everyone
Don't no if any of you are still following this thread ( hope so )
The Wade family mentioned is part of my family history, i have quite a bit of info on them.
Sue
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Hi Sue,
Welcome to Rootschat - I am sure this thread is still running and i am sure you will have a few messages soon!
Good luck!
Ruth
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Hi Sue
Thank you for your post.
I am a descendant of one of the two Hesom brothers who were taken out to South Africa by the Wade family in 1850. It seems their mother was a Wade. My branch of the family settled in Dundee in northern Natal.
I'd really appreciate any info you have!
John
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Hi John
Until i came across this thread i had no idea that any of the Wade family had gone out to South Africa. Looking back on previous replies it seems Elizabeth bpt 16.3.1817 Stonton Wyville is your ancestor ?
She was the daughter of Jonathon and Ann Wade and was one of 10 children. Is this the right family ?
If so , back 4 generations to a William Wade and Alice.
They had 9 children one of them a Jonathon Wade who would be your ancestor and another called Henry who was my G x 6 Grandfather.
You perhap's already have this info but if not i would be happy to pass it on to you.
Sue
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I have been researching the Hesom line & found a few facts that may be of interest. My line is from Joseph Hesom born 1780 Willoughby, Warwick, England it looks as though he had a brother James. they both appear in the 1820's voters lists & the 1824 land records. In Willoughby church records it lists the following :-
Baptism George Hesom 22 DEC 1811 Willoughby, Warwick, England parents are James Hesom & Mary
Marriage George Hesom to Elizabeth Wade 28 SEP 1841 Saint Andrew, Rugby, Warwick, England
Baptism record for 3 children of George & Elizabeth are Robert Hesom 07 DEC 1845 Willoughby, Warwick, England
Elizabeth Anne Hesom 01 MAR 1842 Willoughby, Warwick, England
Mary Hesom 01 MAR 1842 Willoughby, Warwick, England .
In the 1841 census George is listed as a builder. There is a death record in Jun 1849 .
Then a marriage record Name: Elizabeth Hesom
Year of Registration: 1850
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
DISTRICT: East London
County: London, Middlesex
Name: Owen Owens
Year of Registration: 1850
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
DISTRICT: East London
County: London, Middlesex
I have since found this info.
Name: George Thomas HESOM
Given Name: George Thomas
Surname: Hesom
Sex: M
Birth: 5 Sep 1843 in Rugby,England
Death: 1920 in Pietermaritzburg,South Africa
Occupation: Councillor 1902 Pietermaritzburg,South Africa
BIOGRAPHY: - Hesom Street in Pietermaritzburg was named after him as he owned most of the property in that area.
- Both his parents being deceased, he came to Natal with the Byrne Settlers (in the Nile under Lidgett's scheme) with his Stepfather, Mr Owen and his aunt, Mrs Wade.
- At age 13 (mid 1850's) he traded in Zululand with his stepfather and Mr Vicar Brayhurst.
Father: George HESOM
Mother: Elizabeth WADE
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Hi Sparky
My interest in this thread is the Wade connection. I am very curious about who the Aunt was ( Mrs Wade ) who accompanied the brothers to S.A.
Also in your message you mention a death of George Hessom and a marriage of a Elizabeth Hessom to a Owen Owens, do you think this is Georges widow ?
Sorry if i am being a little thick here but i am a bit confused who's who at the minute.
Regards Sue
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Sue,
I found the info about the brothers & aunt mrs Wade in a tree posted on the world tree site by an Eric Bower when I googled the name HESOM. I was able to down load the file as a gedcom.
I think the marriage is Georges widow as the world tree describes mr Owens as the step father. I forgot to mention the death record for George Hesom was in Barnet, Middlesex. The same district as the marriage of Elizabeth.
There was also a reference to a book about early South African settlers but I didn't note the title. I think I did a search on Pietermaritzburg,South Africa
Sparky69
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Hi everyone,
Has anyone come across James Hesom? I believe he is the father of George Hesom who married Mary Wade. George was bap the son of James and Mary Hesom Willoughby Warwickshire 22 Dec 1811? I am interested in Thomas HESOM who married Elizabeth MAYO 21 Dec 1772 Willoughby and wonder if James was a brother or cousin Any help would be appreciated
Trees
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Came across this thread by accident. I am intrigued by mentions of Bernard Malim Bowen as my interest is in the Malim family. One member of the family went out there at around the turn of the century, and I wondered if there was some sort of connection as Malim is an unusual name and crops up from time to time as a Christian name; usually as a result of a woman incorporating her maiden name.
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Bernard Malim Bowen was born in Bilston Staffordshire in 1864. His mother was Alice Harris Bowen nee Kendrick. His father was William Bowen. I have not managed to check out the Malim connection as yet, but the Kendrick name is used for two of his siblings. Both of his parents were born in Bilston. Does your name Malim crop up in South Africa or England? Peep.
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Hi
Most of the Malim family are in England, but branches seem to have gone all over the world (just found some in Argentina!) The Staffordshire branch are Charlotte Malim (born 1845/46 Grantham) and her husband Harry Barlow (born 1831 Wolverhampton) who had 9 children between 1870 and 1883 and also Mary Isabel Malim (born 1842 Brompton Kent) and her husband Frederick Messiter (born 1839 Frome Somerset) they had 8 children between 1873-1883. Given these dates it would seem any connection would have to be earlier!
The family in South Africa (from the family history I have been given, not confirmed any details yet) are that of Leila Malim (born 1882 Wandsworth) and her husband Frederick Wilkin (who I believe may have been South African).
The Malim history I have goes back to 1533 it was compiled by one Alfred Malim who was a clergyman at the end of the 19th century. There are a number of 17th and 18th century ancestors in there who may well have descendents somewhere, it's just that Alfred didn't find them!
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Hi Sue
I have just found this link. I am descended from Jonathan and Ann Wade's daughter Alice Wade, who emigrated to South africa with her deceased sister Elizabeth Hesom's 2 sons. I would be so grateful if you could send me the information going back the 4 generations to William Wade and Alice that you mentioned in your posting.
LornaJ
Hi John
Until i came across this thread i had no idea that any of the Wade family had gone out to South Africa. Looking back on previous replies it seems Elizabeth bpt 16.3.1817 Stonton Wyville is your ancestor ?
She was the daughter of Jonathon and Ann Wade and was one of 10 children. Is this the right family ?
If so , back 4 generations to a William Wade and Alice.
They had 9 children one of them a Jonathon Wade who would be your ancestor and another called Henry who was my G x 6 Grandfather.
You perhap's already have this info but if not i would be happy to pass it on to you.
Sue
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Just was informed about this rootschat website by peep. I am related directly to the Bowens discussed. My mother was Barbara Bowen, the only child of Arthur Kendrick Bowen (as far as I know). The south africa issue is totally new to me and i will have to read the chats to come up to speed. I at least think I know who Bernard Malim Bowen is, although he never shows up in the census with William Bowen (1881, 1891). Bernard Malim Bowen, Percy St John Bowen and Ida Constance Bowen are my grandfathers (Arthur Kendrick Bowen) siblings. Therefore I am very interested in their lives and records in South Africa. Hope to relate more as I understand what is to me a whole new research topic!
Stephen Wood, Roseburg, Oregon, USA
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Hello LornaJ
This is very interesting - I have also just found the link to this site. I'm also a descedant of Jonathan and Ann's daughter Alice through a grandson John Berridge (father Joesph Weed Wade) who married Andrea Nilsen.
Rather a small world it seems :-)
I see a mention of Dundee in the posts too, which is where my connection would come in.
This is really quite fascinating!
Hi Sue
I have just found this link. I am descended from Jonathan and Ann Wade's daughter Alice Wade, who emigrated to South africa with her deceased sister Elizabeth Hesom's 2 sons. I would be so grateful if you could send me the information going back the 4 generations to William Wade and Alice that you mentioned in your posting.
LornaJ
Hi John
Until i came across this thread i had no idea that any of the Wade family had gone out to South Africa. Looking back on previous replies it seems Elizabeth bpt 16.3.1817 Stonton Wyville is your ancestor ?
She was the daughter of Jonathon and Ann Wade and was one of 10 children. Is this the right family ?
If so , back 4 generations to a William Wade and Alice.
They had 9 children one of them a Jonathon Wade who would be your ancestor and another called Henry who was my G x 6 Grandfather.
You perhap's already have this info but if not i would be happy to pass it on to you.
Sue
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I am glad to see this thread is still being useful. If anyone finds a connection to Thomas Hesom and Elizabeth Mayo in Willoughby PLEASE let me know
I know two of their children married Jeffcotts , one married a Musson I have their children's baptisms if you want them and their first son Thomas b Willoughby 1773 married Mary Ellard 1809 in Willoughby and although he was a farmer he ended up in Debtors prison(Coventry goal)
1851 HO107/2068 fo245 p41
Thomas HESAM Insolvent Mar 77 Farmer Warwickshire
Many thanks Trees
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I have been corresponding with peep/ Patricia Sheldon and she has found out the following about our common family. My mother was Barbara Bowen, grandfather was Arthur Kendrick Bowen both of Bilston. Please see my post below. Bernard Bowen died unmarried, but his sister Ida Constance Bowen married a Robert Hesom, son of George Thomas Hesom who was born in Rugby Warwickshire England. Ida had 3 children. All this also involves the Boer War in 1901 and a rather romantic story. I hav a picture of Bernard Malims Gravestone in S. Africa frpm Patricia. If any of this is of interest please post another note on RootsChat.
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In my great grandfathers house during the 1901 census there was a visitor from Natal . Her name was Mary E Teasdale aged 23 and single. ?
This was how I started the thread.
I somehow found out that Bernard was in the Natal Carbineers and that he died after Ladysmith so I applied for his death no tice. Lo and behold Mary was his executrix.
After digging and delving I found out that Mary was fiance of my Gt Uncle Bernard, and he died after the siege of Ladysmith.
During my family research I have found 2nd cousins, one in South Africa, and one in America, but Gt Uncle Bernard has proven to be very interesting to me, and my 2nd cousin in S.A.
I then went on to find some loveletters from him to Mary lodged in a Museum in S.A. and these were very heart wrenching he missed her so much, and at times he was beside himself. He writes that he has bought some land with a house that will need work doing, but £100 will put it right. The estate cost £500, and he writes”Why rent when you can buy”
The night he is told that he is going to Ladysmith he writes to his family in England that he is leaving at 630am, and that it will be a slaughter. During the battle he writes again saying that he has found pen and paper in a house on top of a hill that has been blasted by the Boers, and still the guns are firing. The troops are short of food and he has to go to the township to buy food which is auctioned off. Prices are absurd. Tea 10/s Ib eggs 48/- doz milk 31/- a tin whisky £6 a bottle jam 18/- Ib tin. The horses are dying,and others are shot for “scoff” as he puts it. Conditions were deplorable.
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From THE NATAL WITNESS, FRIDAY MARCH 30 1900 PAGE 3
DEATH OF SERGEANT-MAJOR BOWEN
A loss to the Carbineers
The Natal Carbineers have suffered a severe loss by the death of Regimental Sergeant-Major Bowen, which, we regret to say, took place at Lidgetton on Wednesday. Although the blow will be most keenly felt by the Carbineers, the demise of this popular officer is a loss also to the Volunteer Force generally and to the Colony, for the deceased identified himself in the most whole-hearted manner with every movement having for its object the well-being of the land of his adoption, and the country in which he had made up his mind to permanently settle. Having served with one of the finest regiments in the British Army – the 3rd Dragoon Guards – he was well fitted for the position he held in the Volunteer Department, and in the distinguished corps to which he was attached. He was a strict disciplinarian, insisted on work being done with military smartness, possessed a word of command that many commanding officers had cause to envy, but withal was popular with all ranks, and there is not a man in the corps who does not today deplore his death. Many of his friends and comrades will recall to mind the gladness with which he hailed the opportunity of proceeding to the font, and the readiness with which he accepted the call to duty. He was with the Carbineers during the Siege of Ladysmith, and though he had served with his regiment in India, and had enjoyed immunity from cholera, while many of his comrades in arms were less fortunate, the privations the Siege entailed and the hard work which the Carbineers were called upon to perform before the town was invested, told upon his otherwise robust constitution. He struggled hard against the malady saying it was merely a return of malarial fever – an old enemy which had laid him low in India – but eventually he was reluctantly compelled from sheer weakness to retired on the sick list. On the relief of the town he bravely struggled against his weakness, and actually marched with his Regiment to the Camp at Highlands, although evidently far from well. The effect proved too much, and soon afterwards he became a prey to the ravages of the dreaded enteric. He was removed to “Mooifontein”, Mr Wm Teasdale’s farm at Lidgetton, and despite devoted and unremitting attention and tender nursing, passed away on Wednesday, to the regret of all who knew him.
The late Sergt-Major Bowen, in addition to being an extremely smart officer, was one of the finest rifle shots in the Colony. At the Bisley and Rifle Association meetings his successes were phenomenal, and he has on numerous occasions represented Maritzburg against Durban in the annual inter town shooting matches. In sporting circles too, “Benny”, as he was familiarly called, was a prominent figure. He was, up to the time of his death, Clerk of the Scales to the City Sporting Club, of which he was a valued member, while in the local cricket world he distinguished himself as a wicket keeper, having regularly played in that capacity for the Standard CC and being a member also of the MCC. Of a cheery disposition, and loving sport for sport’s sake, he made many friends during the five years he had resided in Natal. He was looking forward to the close of the War in the happy expectation of the realization of an event which would have altered the course of his life. For her who would have been his partner had the hope been fulfilled, and to the relatives of the deceased in the Old Country there will be the deepest sympathy
THE NATAL WITNESS, MONDAY, APRIL 2, 1900
DEATHS
Bowen – On the 28th inst, at the residence of Mr Wm Teasdale, Mooifontein, Lidgetton,
I have found this story so moving. My recently found cousin in S.A. has been able to trace his grave, and she has also found photographs of him and his beloved Mary (Cissie)
I am still looking for the last of the brothers Percy St John Bowen who is proving to be a very slippery little critter!!! Any ideas???
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Hi,
I was nonchalantly googling my family name and came across this site - I almost fell off my chair when I started to read the thread :)
My great great (not sure how great) grandfather is Joseph Weed Wade.
Our family has the original medicine chest that Alice had with her on the ship to South Africa.
We have done quite a bit of work and research into our family history and have a lot of documents, photographs and information to share should anyone be interested.
My aunt, who still lives in Dundee (South Africa) today, has done much of the work, and I'm sure would be absolutely fascinated and delighted to hear from anyone who has additional information and stories to swap.
Im not too sure how this site works as I have only just registered, but do leave me a message if you are interested :)
J.W.Wade
Hello LornaJ
This is very interesting - I have also just found the link to this site. I'm also a descedant of Jonathan and Ann's daughter Alice through a grandson John Berridge (father Joesph Weed Wade) who married Andrea Nilsen.
Rather a small world it seems :-)
I see a mention of Dundee in the posts too, which is where my connection would come in.
This is really quite fascinating!
Hi Sue
I have just found this link. I am descended from Jonathan and Ann Wade's daughter Alice Wade, who emigrated to South africa with her deceased sister Elizabeth Hesom's 2 sons. I would be so grateful if you could send me the information going back the 4 generations to William Wade and Alice that you mentioned in your posting.
LornaJ
Hi John
Until i came across this thread i had no idea that any of the Wade family had gone out to South Africa. Looking back on previous replies it seems Elizabeth bpt 16.3.1817 Stonton Wyville is your ancestor ?
She was the daughter of Jonathon and Ann Wade and was one of 10 children. Is this the right family ?
If so , back 4 generations to a William Wade and Alice.
They had 9 children one of them a Jonathon Wade who would be your ancestor and another called Henry who was my G x 6 Grandfather.
You perhap's already have this info but if not i would be happy to pass it on to you.
Sue
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Revisiting this thread after a long time not sure if it's active but have found more info about the Hesom's in Africa.
i have now found that they do descend from the same hesom line that I come from, below are some of the records I have found.
Thomas Hesom born abt 1750 buried 06 Jul 1796
married
Elisabeth Mayo born abt 1754 buried 20 Jun 1829
at Willoughby, Warwickshire, England 21 Dec 1772
they had 10 children all born in Willoughby
Thomas Hesom Baptised 22 Aug 1773
Edward Hesom Baptised 23 Jul 1775
Margaret Hesom Baptised 24 Aug 1777
Joseph Hesom Baptised 09 Jan 1780 22 Dec 1782
William Hesom Baptised 19 May 1782
Mary Hesom Baptised 16 Jan 1785
Joseph Hesom Baptised 27 May 1787 buried 08 Nov 1832
George Hesom Baptised 25 Dec 1789 buried 08 Jan 1818
James Hesom Baptised 10 Feb 1793
Elizabeth Hesom Baptised 12 Oct 1795
James Hesom married Mary Malin 17 Apr 1811 Willoughby, Warwickshire, England by banns published Apr 7, 14, 21
witnesses George Hesom, Matthew Jephcott & Ann Hart
Mary Malin Baptised 08 Nov 1792 Willoughby, Warwickshire, England
parents John Malin & Elizabeth Jephcott
married 01 Dec 1791 Willoughby, Warwickshire, England by License
witnesses Joseph Townsend & Thomas Tuckey
George Hesom Baptised 22 Dec 1811 Willoughby, Warwickshire, England
Born 01 July 1811
George Hesom & Elizabeth Wade
married 28 Sept 1841 Saint Andrew, Rugby, Warwickshire, England
Father James Hesom Builder
Jonathan Wade Grazier
witnesses Joseph Wade & Sophia Wade
children of George Hesom & Elizabeth Wade
Elizabeth Anne Hesom Baptised 01 Mar 1842 buried 05 Mar 1842 Willoughby, Warwickshire, England
Mary Hesom Baptised 01 Mar 1842 buried 05 Mar 1842 Willoughby, Warwickshire, England
George Thomas Hesom
Robert Hesom Baptised 07 Dec 1845 Willoughby, Warwickshire, England
Sophia Hesom 1848 & died 1848 London Borough of Barnet
George Hesom died in the London Borough of Barnet in 1849
Elizabeth Hesom nee Wade married Owen Owens
15 Apr 1850 St Botolph Aldgate, Middlesex
witnesses WM Singer & Sophia Wade
I have also found some info about Robert hesom (1845)
NATAL WITNESS - DEATHS
Hesom, Mary Ann f 33, 26-Feb-1881, 1-Mar-1881,
at PMBurg, the beloved wife of Mr R Hesom
Hesom, Robert m 38, 26-Jan-1884, 2-Feb-1884,
at PMBurg, of sunstroke Deeply regretted by a large circle of friends
Also I have found another record from 1867 relating to George Thomas Hesom(1843)
National Archives of South Africa (NASA)
Database: Pietermaritzburg Archives Repository
MSCE 3/16 H21/1867 HESOM, JOANA MARIA. (BORN KEMP) (S/S GEORGE THOMAS).
Does this mean GT married twice?
hope this is helpfull
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Wow My line hooray so there is a link Will read and try to compare your data with mineand will get back soon
Trees
added I have missed two children for Thomas and Elizabeth in Willoughby
Mary and James now as I had looked through the film of the regesters in Warwick and was looking specifically for their children I am at a loss as to how I missed them :-[
Matthew JEPHCOTT who witnessed James's marriage married Elizabeth Hesom and they had 10 children
Matthew's sister Elizabeth JEPHCOTT married Joseph HESOM 3 Feb 1811 in Willoghby
Can you confirm you have the baptisms for Mary and James from the Pr please
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I have for Thomas and Elizabeth Mayo's children:
Thomas 1773 m Mary ELLARD 8 Nov 1809 Willoughby he was buried 5 Dec 1858 and she 22 Oct 1854 both in Willoughby she was bap 17 Jan 1773 daughter of Zaccheus Ellard and Ruth nee Hart ( my line is the Ellard family)
Margaret HESOM m William MUSSON 28 Apr 1802 in Willoughby they had 6 known children the 2nd Frederick married Ann ELLARD 6 Mar 1838 in Willoughby
Joseph HESOM m Elizabeth JEPHCOTT 23 Feb 1811 she was bap 11 feb 1789 and buried 6 Mar 1878 they had 8 ch bap in Willoughby
Elizabeth Hesom m Matthew JEPHCOTT he was bap 30 Jun 1786 he was the publican addressNew Building Holy Trinity Coventry in 1841 he died 1846 I think she took over the pub as she is a licenced victualler at the Bell Warwick lane St Michael's Coventry in 1851
The JEPHCOTT siblings were ch of Matthew and Elizabeth nee Bell they also had a brother Jonathan
You can see my ELLARD research and a few photos of Willoughby on our web site
Welcome distant cousin I thought there must be a connection with the S African Hesoms its just not a common name
Trees :)
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I am wondering if the Joseph TOWNSEND witnessed the MALIN/ JEPHCOTT marriage was the one who was married to Mary CLARK he was buried 19 Jan 1801Their daughter Jane m William ELLARD
Willoughby is so small I think everyone will relate eventually
Trees
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The following Hesom men served with Natal Carbineers. Taken fromt he records at the NC Museum
HESOM George Plummer Cyril. Trooper E3653
Attested: 1/7/1916, A Sqn. Age : 18. Occupation: 341 Bulwer Street, Pietermaritzburg. Promoted Lance Sergeant 1/1/1922 (RO 37/1922) and Sergeant 1/8/1923(RO 1/8/1923). Off strength: 30/6/1925
Other: Completed Instructors Vickers Gun Course at S.A. Military School 10/2/1922 (RO 42/1922)
HESOM G.T.F. Trooper K4986
Attested: 3/10/1918, A Sqn. Occupation: 310 Boom Street, Pietermaritzburg. Off strength: 31/12/1919
HESOM N.F. 273
On strength 25/11/1893. From Dundee.
HESOM Owen. Trooper 584.
Attested 12/2/1899, K sqn. Occupation : Farmer, Dundee. Siege of Ladysmith. Served 29/9/1899 to 31/5/1902. Off strength 30/6/1903
HESOM Robert. Trooper 255.
Born 13 October 1873, Dundee. Son of George Thomas Hesom, Husband of Ida Bowen. Educated at Maritzburg College. Attested 19/7/1893, Band. Occupation : Manager, George and Son, 313 Prince Alfred St., Pietermaritzburg. Won first prize for the smartest turnout with the NC in 1896. Awarded Queens Jubilee Medal 1897. Promoted Corporal 29/4/1897. Siege of Ladysmith. Served 29/9/1899 to 31/5/1902. Promoted Lance Sergeant 10/5/1903. Off strength 31/3/1905. Previous service with 2nd ILH 31/8/1901-30/11/1901
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Hi all,
My names Laverne. I still new to all this. Not sure if I even have the right Wade family. But have alot of the same names. Any help would be great. From the info i have my Great great not sure how many times is William Marston Wade.
thanks
Laverne
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Welcome to Roots chat I am sure you will find a deal of information to help your research and plenty of friends along the way First though can you tell us what you know about your William Wade have you any dates or places to help us locate his family for you :)
Trees
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HI Laverne,
Another Warm Welcome to Rootschat
Is this inscription anything to do with who you are looking for ???
William Marston Wade - 1872-1935 & Bessie de Bock Kennard - 1878-1970
http://eggsa.org/library/main.php?g2_itemId=797975
Sandra
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Wow I have wondered about my Hesom family for so long and I just stumbled on to this site! My great-grandmother was Leonie Hesom, sister of Bernard and Jack, her mother was the Ida Bowen and Robert Hesom mentioned! It seems so strange to see family on here I didn't know I had. I knew "uncle" Jack quite well as a child, he was married to Olive and they always spoiled my sister and I! My Father remembers Ida from his childhood and how she used to teach him funny little tricks with postage stamps and papers and all the good sayings she used to have. Leonie married and lived in the small town in Rhodesia, where her daughter (my gran) was born, the family later moved down to cape town where she lived until she passed away in the 90's. She's buried in rondebosch. She was a wonderfull person to know, always outspoken and a little controversial, , but I see now it's a family trait :).
I love the old photos! My dad has one of Leonie and her siblings as children standing in a street in Kimberley, it's somewhere in a box he says! If I can track it down I'll upload it
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A big welcome to the friendliest site on the net I hope you enjoy exploring the many different areas don't forget to fill in your surname interests ( see the top of the page) Also a big welcome to your extended and extensive family :)
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@ Trees , Thanks :) I'll get my profile sorted out shortly!
@ Rosie - I just re-read one of your posts and saw you called Ida "danny" . It is so strange, my dad always said her name was "Danny", but when I did my initial research I told him he must be remembering wrong because her name was Ida. Seems she WAS "danny" to her loved ones after all
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Okay I don't have to much info, but what i do have is a Alice May Wade born 19 July 1807 and Died 21 Dec 1884. Married to William Marston Wade (No info) They had a son John Berridge Wade born 1847 died 9 Jan 1929, He married a Georgina Newbold. (J B Wade was my Great-great Grandfather.) They also had a son called Joseph Weed Wade born 9 Aug 1945 and Died on 14 Feb 1907.
Many thanks
Laverne
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Hi Laverne,
I have checked through UK bmd & found 2 Wade births that may be of interest to you. Both are in Barnet, same borough as the marriage of Elizabeth hesom nee Wade to Owen Owens .
I think there is a transcript error as I think this is Joseph Weed Wade
Births Sep 1844
WADE Joseph Steed Barnet 6 434
http://www2.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/information.pl?scan=1&r=8282839&d=bmd_1337066013
And the scan for John is not too good & you can't read page number
Births Dec 1846
Wade John Berridge Barnet 6 ___
http://www2.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/information.pl?scan=1&r=11206017&d=bmd_1337066013
There is also a record for a Mary
Births Dec 1850
Wade Mary Barnet 6 478
Phil
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Hi Laverne,
Missed one
Births Dec 1842
Wade William Marston Barnet 6 432
Phil
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Hello Laverne
Just found your post, and we're related!
The John Berridge Wade you mention (born 1847) is the brother of my great great grandfather (Joseph Weed Wade as you mention) with his son (my great grandfather) being another John Berridge Wade - this is his gravestone http://www.eggsa.org/library/main.php?g2_itemId=803101)
I have a family tree back to England to the Wades of Stonton Wyville Leicestershire around 1700.
Regards,
Pierre
Okay I don't have to much info, but what i do have is a Alice May Wade born 19 July 1807 and Died 21 Dec 1884. Married to William Marston Wade (No info) They had a son John Berridge Wade born 1847 died 9 Jan 1929, He married a Georgina Newbold. (J B Wade was my Great-great Grandfather.) They also had a son called Joseph Weed Wade born 9 Aug 1945 and Died on 14 Feb 1907.
Many thanks
Laverne
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Hello LimeTiger
I was wondering - I think I know who you are :-)
Your age and your birth day are currently the same aren't they?
(won't mention day and month, don't want to give away too much here).
I suppose this photo would be significant to you in that case
http://www.eggsa.org/library/main.php?g2_itemId=803095
Regards,
His Lordship
Hi,
I was nonchalantly googling my family name and came across this site - I almost fell off my chair when I started to read the thread :)
My great great (not sure how great) grandfather is Joseph Weed Wade.
Our family has the original medicine chest that Alice had with her on the ship to South Africa.
We have done quite a bit of work and research into our family history and have a lot of documents, photographs and information to share should anyone be interested.
My aunt, who still lives in Dundee (South Africa) today, has done much of the work, and I'm sure would be absolutely fascinated and delighted to hear from anyone who has additional information and stories to swap.
Im not too sure how this site works as I have only just registered, but do leave me a message if you are interested :)
J.W.Wade
Hello LornaJ
This is very interesting - I have also just found the link to this site. I'm also a descedant of Jonathan and Ann's daughter Alice through a grandson John Berridge (father Joesph Weed Wade) who married Andrea Nilsen.
Rather a small world it seems :-)
I see a mention of Dundee in the posts too, which is where my connection would come in.
This is really quite fascinating!
Hi Sue
I have just found this link. I am descended from Jonathan and Ann Wade's daughter Alice Wade, who emigrated to South africa with her deceased sister Elizabeth Hesom's 2 sons. I would be so grateful if you could send me the information going back the 4 generations to William Wade and Alice that you mentioned in your posting.
LornaJ
Hi John
Until i came across this thread i had no idea that any of the Wade family had gone out to South Africa. Looking back on previous replies it seems Elizabeth bpt 16.3.1817 Stonton Wyville is your ancestor ?
She was the daughter of Jonathon and Ann Wade and was one of 10 children. Is this the right family ?
If so , back 4 generations to a William Wade and Alice.
They had 9 children one of them a Jonathon Wade who would be your ancestor and another called Henry who was my G x 6 Grandfather.
You perhap's already have this info but if not i would be happy to pass it on to you.
Sue