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Hi Could somebody do a lookup in the 1841 and 1851 census for a
William Stephens born about 1834 Manchester ? Fathers name Samuel Stephens have found him on the 1861/1871/1881 and 1901 Censuses but cant locate hin before this can anybody help with this.
Ian
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Did you get his fathers name from his marriage cert?
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Hi Yes Samuel was on his marriage information found Williams marriage at Manchester Cathederal in 1856 his father was a Land Surveyor.
Hope this will help in finding him
Ian
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Father couldn't be this Samuel Stephens could he?
http://www.theprow.org.nz/samuel-stephens/
Family in New Zealand between 1841 & 1855? This one was a Quaker
:) Barbara
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Hi Barbara
Very well done. What an excellent find
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Hi Thanks for the info Barbara I dont think this is him as he died in 1855 and he is not listed on Williams marriage as being Deceased.William was living at 16 Ashton Street which I got from his Marriage Entry, he married Sarah Pritchard in 1856 found her living at Tasle Alley in 1851.I think this is around the Deansgate area so was he living around this area? Have all the 1851 return be transcribed or are there some still not done.
Ian
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Deansgate is one of the areas where the census was badly damaged, so you have to look at the 'unfilmed' sets that the family history society have done
http://www.1851-unfilmed.org.uk/1851search.htm
I can see 2 William Stephens in Hulme district, and as Ive got the CD for that area, I'll have a look for the details.
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1851 census for William Stephens
One of them was only four years old, the other was down as 23 so a bit too old, and not with father Samuel, but here he is anyway:
12 Arthur St Hulme
Elizabeth Sorby, wid. , housekeeper, age 30 b. Sheffield
Peter McCallum, unm., lodger, tailor, 37 b. Scotland
William Stephens, unm., lodger, Cook/confectioner, 23 b. Salford Lancs
Henry Stephens, unm. lodger, porter, 20 b. Hulme
Mary Stephens, unm., lodger, silk winder, 13 b. Rusholme
Was your chap a cook?
:) Barbara
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Hi He is listed on Cesus that I have as a Carter for Corporation so dont think this is him.Could you tell me how you trace a birth before 1837 as William was born before 1837 he not on civil registration if I could find this it might give some more information.Thanks for all your help.
Ian
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Hi He is listed on Cesus that I have as a Carter for Corporation so dont think this is him.Could you tell me how you trace a birth before 1837 as William was born before 1837 he not on civil registration if I could find this it might give some more information.Thanks for all your help.
Ian
well you're doing it already really, just work back very slowly from what you already know, which at the moment is born c.1834 Manchester, earliest known address 16 Ashton St in 1856.
You could try the dtreet directories next http://www.historicaldirectories.org/hd/findbykeyword.asp
for either Ashton St 1850s and before, or the name Stephens, or the father's occupation surveyor (which is a bit different so I would be hopeful of Samuel turning up one day :-\ ). I did find an Ashton St off Lower Byrom St, and that is in the Deansgate area
I would say though that if my rellies are anything to go by, you can't always rely on people marking their fathers as 'deceased' on marriage certs. I think that's up to the vicar or registrar, and not all of them put 'deceased' down. So if it was me I would keep open mind on Samuel being still alive in 1856, just in case.
:) Barbara
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A possible sighting of William in 1841:
HO107/582/8
Manchester
Hariott Stephen, 20-24 (indexed as Chalotte but I think it's Hariott)
Wm Stephen, 5
If this is the right William, and if Hariott/Charlott is his mother, she may have (re)married so that both are under another name in 1851.
I thought I had it when I came across a John Norton, 25-29, dyer married to Elizabeth in 1841 (HO107/580/12) and a John Norton, dyer, 38, married to a Hariet, 33, with two children: William, 14 and Frederick, 3 in 1851. It had all the hallmarks of a second marriage, but the only John Norton/Harriet marriage I can find is one in 1846 to Harriet Walmsley. It may be her maiden name, but is looking increasingly unlikely.
I have posted this on another thread which shows that the New Zealand Samuel is unlikely to be this Samuel:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=509607.msg3665203#msg3665203
...together with these Manchester marriages, neither of which seem very likely.
1817: Samuel Stephens, 23 m Caroline Bowes, 26 they had a child, Mariah, in 1818, but that leaves quite a gap until 1834.
1826: Samuel Stephens m Jane Capper. They had Elizabeth, 1829 and John Harris, 1828; but he was described as a painter in 1826.
Richard
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Hi Could somebody do a lookup in the 1841 and 1851 census for a
William Stephens born about 1834 Manchester ? Fathers name Samuel Stephens have found him on the 1861/1871/1881 and 1901 Censuses but cant locate hin before this can anybody help with this.
Ian