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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Glamorganshire => Topic started by: pedroparker on Sunday 31 January 10 14:31 GMT (UK)
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hi,
can anyone help me find where my relative is from and where he was baptised?
It is believed that he may have come from llansamlet as most other family members do, but there is no record of him being baptised in llansamlet church or the nearby cwm chapel.
We know from various records that he was born 1777 and died 1868.
He married 4 times:
1) Elizabeth Thomas 8/5/1802
2) Hannah Morgan 29/12/1806
3) Margaret David 26/2/1814
4) Mary Morgan 9/10/1820
*all in the llansamlet area*
As far as i know he had 5 children:
Morgan b1802
Hopkin b1814
David b1819
Ann b1820
Margaret b1820
can anyone help?
thanks
pedro
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Hi pedro,
Cwm Chapelyard is practically full of Hopkins and Sims family members! Have you tried Adulam Chapel? I don't know whether you live in Swansea or know it, but Adulam is only up the road from Cwm and might be a possibilty. Or there's Bethel in Llansamlet as well?
Bev.
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hi bev
thanks for your help,
yes, there are loads in cwm, all related to our tree in some way, but they unfortunatly liked to keep the same names going down the family, which can be a nightmare on times. :)
I am from Swansea and know both places :). we've had no luck in Adulam but i don't remember anyone trying Bethel, so I will take a trip over soon.
thanks again
pedro
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Good Morning. I wonder if you have got any further information on Hopkin Sims b. 1777/1779? I understand he had a son Hopkin b. 1814 who went on to marry Gwenllian (Don't know her surname). Could you help with any information at all regarding this family please? I am the g.g.g. grandson of Hopkin Sims b. late 1700's. Any information you are willing to share is much appreciated. Regards, David
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Hello David
Freebmd has a marriage in Neath district in 1839 (March quarter) with Hopkin Sims and Gwenllian Davies on the same page.
Neath volume 26 page 480
Do you have them on 1841 to 1881 Census?
Kind Regards
Morgan
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From the Glamorgan FHS Transcriptions for Llansamlet
Marriages
Sims, Hopkin of Llansamlet to Thomas, Elizabeth of Llansamlet 8 May, 1802
Sims, Hopkin of Llansamlet and David, Margaret of Llansamlet by Banns, 26 Feb 1814
Note - the initial post has him marrying a Gewnllian Davies on this date? (Gwenllian married Hopkin Sims Junior methinks)
Baptisms
Sims, Hopkin, father Hopkin, collier, mother Margaret - 20 Dec 1814, Pentre Engine Fach
Sims, David, " " " " " - 23 Mar 1817, Pentre Engine Fach
Sims, Anne (twin)" " " " " - 30 Mar 1820, Engine Fach
Sims, Margaret (twin) " " " " - 30 Mar 1820, Engine Fach
Sims, Margaret, father Hopkin, Collier, mother Gwenllian - 30 Nov 1839 Bonymaen
Sims, David, " " Spelter Man, " " - 5 Mar 1842 Bonymaen
Sims, Hopkin, " " Copperman " " - 30 Jan 1844 Bonymaen
Sims, Ellen, " " Collier " " - 6 Apr 1847
Checked for baptism Hopkin Sims Snr b 1777 in Llansamlet and adjoining Parishes (Llangyfelach, Neath, Cadoxton,St Mary's Swansea) but drew a blank.
regards
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The twins Anne and Margaret were baptised 30 Mar 1820, Engine Fach.
Noticed the following in the Llansamlet burial registers
Margaret Syms on 30 Mar 1820, age 40, address Engine Fach.
Hopkin's Margaret possibly, died giving the birth to the twins?
regards
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Hi David (silver.frame), Morgan (Morganllan) and Hanes teulu.
Sorry, i haven't been on for a while and have just read the recent posts.
Guys, there's no need to trace the majority of info after 1800, i've gone back as far as the Hopkin Sims of 1777 but hit a stumbling block with him and quite possibly may have exhausted many if not all angles trying to find his baptism. Should anyone offer any info not found on him, that would be greatly recieved and fantastic!. But with regard to anything after 1800, I have a wealth of info from this date on the family to the present day and will be happy to share with any linked family members.
David (silver.frame) - I would be more than happy to supply you with all info I have.
You'll be happy to know that my family are direct descendants of his son Hopkin, so i can send you through his wife's maiden name along with other various info.
David (silver.frame) - My dad is also a g g g grandson of Hopkin (1777) and we'd love to know where in the tree you descend from and if your still living in the area?
I'll look through the tree and send you the info in a short while.
Kind Regards,
Pedro.
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Hopkin Sims was my great great great grandfather. His son David (by Margaret David Sims) immigrated to the United States sometime in the middle of the 1800s. I haven't found David's wife's name yet, but they had a son named John. John's wife was named Abigail (my great grandmother) and I knew her as a young child in Akron Ohio. John and Abigail had four children, one of which was Rosanna Sims, my grandmother on my mother's side. They gave me the Sims name for a middle name. I too would like to find out more about Hopkin Sims' history. The family name Sims is, I believe, Irish. I welcome any communication with distant relatives. I live in Albuquerque, New Mexico.
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Hello, Its been years since I did any rsearch on the Sims (Simms, Syms) and had all but given up on them. So receiving your mail may generate me again!!
Hopkin Sims is my GGG grandfather on my fathers side. His father Hopkin George Bevan b 1879 had Mary AC Sims b. 1856 as his mother.
Mary.s parents were Hopkin Sims b1814 and Gwenllian Davies b.1815. Hopkin was the brother of your David (I believe). David born 1817 in Lower Llansamlet, near Swansea, Wales!!
Their father, Hopkin b.1777 was married 4 times. Margaret David being the third, baptised 1780, married 1820 and died 1820?? Her father may have been John David.
I seem to remember that records of baptisms etc in Wales are sketchy, at best, especially in 18th century.
I hope this information is of use and fits with what you have researched and will look forward to any info that you can send me.
Regards,
David
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Hello Michael,
It has been quite a while since my last visit on here and I haven't picked up the family tree this side for a while but your post has got my curiosity for it again, so went through what I have and have found.
Firstly welcome to rootschat (I see it's your first post). The members on here are fantastic and the research and help you receive from these very kind people is brilliant.
I have a wealth of information on this line and know the areas and church records like the back of my hand trying to solve and research.
Hopkin Sims is my G.G.G.G Grandfather and the reason I started to delve was due to my father. He knows lots of old stories and was close to a few in the line when he was a boy.
Ok, i'm going to try and work out and help as much as possible.
So your line is:
Hopkin 1777
-- David (by Margaret David)
---John (by unknown)
----Rosanna (by Abigail __)
-----Your mother (by __Myers)
------Yourself (Michael Sims Myers)
I'm sorry to suggest, but my first thought is how sure are you that your David in the above lineage, is the right David, son of Hopkin 1777?
May I ask what record or other you have that can prove or disprove this?
I ask this because of my findings of church and official records point to your David Sims possibly not being the son of Hopkin Sims 1777.
I'll try and explain a little:
Hopkin Sims (b1777) and Margaret David did have a son call David Sims (b1817) and 4 other known siblings. The problem we have is that David' we know died I believe in a colliery accident at the age of 26 and is buried locally. He never married or had children as far as records and family stories go and show. And we also know what happened to the other siblings and father Hopkin (1777) later in life.
If you can offer anything to challenge this, or shed any light on anything unknown I would be very interested in what you have.
I do understand that some of the some family did indeed go to America.
I'm not sure if this helps but from my research there is also another David Sims from this area that is a distant cousin of this David Sims born roughly of the same age.
I haven't heard or found of any Irish connection as of yet. The furthest back connection I can find before Hopkin is that there is possibly a connection to Carmarthen in Wales and possibly a connection to northern England through 4 Sims' sailing brothers who settled down this way.
Very interested to know what research you have or can offer. And if I can help in any way i'd be glad to.
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Hello, I have David Sims (penciled in) that he died in 1842, which means I am unsure but seems to back up what Pedro says about him being killed.
The only other David is the son of Gwenllian, sister of David b 1817 but I am pretty sure he is not who you are looking for.
Would anyone know who Hopkins 1777 parents are?
Good Luck
David Bevan
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Hopkin is consistent with his PoB in the '51 and '61 Census - Llansamlet.
I've rechecked the Glamorgan Index and the actual Parish register but no sign. I checked the surrounding parishes when I looked into this some years ago - might possibly expand search?
Did wonder if he might be Nonconformist.
David Sims, age 25 is living with Hopkin Sims on the '41 Census. His address fits the "abode" recorded against the David Sims, died 1842.
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Thank all of you for this information. It turns out that I was one generation off in my calculations. My daughter-in-law is the one doing this research and I had to wait for them to visit from Phoenix to move forward.
Hopkin Sims (B-circa 1777) had, I believe, a son also named Hopkin (B-1814) in addition to four other siblings. This Hopkin Junior had a son by Gwenllian Davies named David (B-1841). This David, not to be confused with his uncle David, Married a Mary A. Winters and they had a son named John Cavassa Sims. John was born in 1858, married Alice Walters and must have been the one who immigrated to the U.S. We are still looking for records of that. John and Alice were my mother’s grandparents. My mother turns 100 next Wednesday and will be delighted with all this.
Again, thank you.
Michael Sims Myers
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On my tree I have David 1814 marrying Gwenllian Davies and indeed having a son David b.1842
I believe this David married Prudence Jenkins in 1866.
David
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A David Sims, 24, Engine man, address Havod married Prudence John, 20, address Havod on 24th July 1866 at the Parish Church of St. Johns, Swansea.
Fathers - Hopkin Sims, Driftman and George John, Copper refiner.
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You are spot on. I do not know where Jenkins came from!!
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There's an item in a couple of Welsh language newspapers, 1907, about the visit to Llansamlet of two former residents "Mr Hopkin & Mrs Gweni Sims, Troy, Illinois" - parents "Tomos and Mari" (Sims) and "Twmi Dafydd and Beti" (Thomas). I've been checking back from there and revisiting the Llansamlet records.
Michael,
A warm welcome to Rootschat.
Re the "John, born 1858, son of David and Mary .... the one who immigrated to the US" -
There's a baptism (transcription) for a John Sims, 3 Aug 1858, Llansamlet, parents David and Mary, abode "Pentre Dwr". There's a marriage for David Sims, Jun Qtr, Neath, 11a 683 - on the same page Mary Jenkins and Mary Beddows.
A 3yr old John + brother David 7 mths, with parents David 29 and Mary 24 can be found on the 1861 Census - address "Old Halfway". Either side of this address is "Pentre Dwr" (the Halfway House pub was in Pentre Dwr). I think this John can be tracked through to the 1911 Census - he didn't marry.
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Hello Michael,
I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news in your searches again, I don't think your line is connected to Hopkin Sims 1777 :( (unless there is a connection even further back but the important thing is that we can try and decipher what the correct lineage is and help each other as much as possible.
I think this is the lineage you proposed in your updated message:
-Hopkin Sims 1777
--Hopkin 1814 (by Margaret David) (+4 siblings)
---David 1841 (by Gwenllian Davies)
----John Cavassa 1858 (by Mary A. Winters)
-----Rosanna (by Alice Walters)
------ (Your Mother)
------- Michael Sims Myers (Yourself)
Unfortunately John Cavassa Sims I strongly believe through documented records is not related to the lineage proposed above.
This is the lineage I have evidence for if it helps. (sorry, but I hope it helps you with your searches)
-Hopkin Sims 1777-1868 (parents unknown)
--Hopkin Sims 1814-1890 (by Margaret David) +4 siblings
---David Sims 1842-1917 (by Gwenllian Davies)
David Sims 1842-1917 married Prudence John (as hanes teulu said) and had 8 children all in the Llansamlet area. (Prudence, David, Elizabeth, George, Winifred E, Thomas, Hopkin and Benjamin John.
Both David and Prudence are buried in Llansamlet.
So i'm again sorry to say I can 100% rule out Hopkin 1777, Hopkin 1814 and David Sims 1842 mentioned above as the correct lineage of your ancestor John Cavassa Sims.
On a positive note - there are lots of David and Hopkin Sims in the Llansamlet, Cwm and other surrounding churches. Sims is quite a popular name for the area. But as of yet I have been unable to connect John Cavassa Sims to any David or other Sims in the area, but if you do by any chance come across some leads that you think could be strong ones for his father/relative in the area - I would be happy to help you as much as possible and share any information I may possibly have on them from the church records.
Apologies again, as this may be not the news you wanted but I hope it helps in your searches and you never know, we could possibly be rellies connected further back than Hopkin 1777.
Kind regards and kind birthday wishes to your mother on her upcoming special day.
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Hello Michael,
So i'm again sorry to say I can 100% rule out Hopkin 1777, Hopkin 1814 and David Sims 1842 mentioned above as the correct lineage of your ancestor John Cavassa Sims.
I'm with you there.
regards
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Hopkin Sims1777- 1868 is buried in Salem. I have a photocopy of his gravestone from I believe,”Find a Grave Memorial”
I am a distant relative, as my great great grandmother was Rebecca Sims 1858-1928. She married Henry Clement,and their daughter was my great grandmother.She married a Maddox,and that is my family name.
My father, who is 94,can remember being taught to drive on the Sims bakery van before WW2.If you look on the Sims and Jones Funeral Directors website you can see the van that was used.
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Hello, thank you very much for your email. It's a rare occurrence that I receive any information re Sims/Bevan. You probably have this information but just in case... Hopkin Sims b. 1814 married Gwenllian Davies and they had daughter Mary. Mary married George Bevan in 1873 and George was my Great Grandfather b. 1848. I do have your Rebecca on my Family Tree marrying Henry Clement. I have them as having 8 children although I've only noted 3 names. I notice that Hopkin Clement m. Annie Hopkins. As far as Hopkin Sims Snr 1777, although he was married 4 times I have no parents for him, have you?
Regards,
David
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Still no sighting of a birth/baptism for Hopkin Sims around 1777 (his GRO death registration, Jun Qtr 1868, gives his age as 90).
A witness at his 26 Feb 1814 marriage was an Edward Sims. Checking for the birth/baptism of an Edward Sims I could only come up with
Baptism - Edward son of William Sims, 26 Jan 1788, Llansamlet
Burial - Edward, son of William Sims, 14 Mar 1789, Llansamlet (identifying a parent at burial usually indicates infant/child death).
So, unable to find a baptism for Edward, witness and possible sibling of Hopkin?
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Pure speculation,but given the entries below,it would be easy to imagine that the Hopkin Syms buried 1767 was the father of the twice married(?) Hopkin Simms,who could have been the father of Hopkin Sims born circa 1777(presumably as per 1841 census).
https://www.freereg.org.uk/search_queries/5c2de773791e3b1c537fbe5b
Regards
Roger