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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Tipperary => Topic started by: beansgram on Saturday 30 January 10 17:10 GMT (UK)
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hi chatters this is my first post to the irish boards and i am not sure where
clonmel is or if the name was butchered by the person who sent it to me. i am
looking for info on a distillery that a scot named john nairne/nairn helped start.
where is it eaxctly, who helped him, did he stay in ireland and if so did he marry
there and have children. he is proving very illusive as all we know about him is
he was born in scotland in 1776 served in the navy on the hms alfred and
went to ireland to help with this brewery. we have no trace of him after that
any help would be appreciated. there is a post on the clack board for info but i do not know how to attach a link. thanks for any help
beans
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Might be worth Googling "distilleries clonmel", I did and one site might help you .......
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=64156109
HB
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Hi beans,
Welcome to the Irish section.
Clonmel is indeed a place in Ireland (in Co. Tipperary actually) and has a long history of brewing and distilling. Your post is a little confusing as the title refers to a distillery while the body of your message refers to a brewery.
I tried a Google on "John Nairn" "Clonmel" and "brewery or distillery" and most of the results that came back were your posts on this site and others.
Perhaps if you requested that your post was moved to the Co. Tipperary board, someone with local knowledge migh be better able to assist you.
Dara.
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hi dara
thanks for the reply sorry about the brewery it was a distillery joh nairn and 3 other scots immigrated to ireland to help setup this distilery
how do i get the moderator to move this to the board you metioned
beans
Moderator's Note: topic moved to TIPPERARY board
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Beans
Lewis' Topographical Dictionary of Ireland 1837 refers to an extensive distillery at Marfield near Clonmel that could be relevant.
http://www.from-ireland.net/wat/lewis/clonmel.htm
Also a little bit about Marfield on Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marlfield,_Clonmel
May give some clues
regards
annclare
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Another source that may be of help- List of distilleries liable for tax in Ireland and Scotland 1826-27. There are only four (including Marfield)
that I can see listed for County Tipperary.
http://books.google.ie/books?id=xzZbAAAAQAAJ&pg=RA3-PA27&lpg=RA3-PA27&dq=andrew+Stein+Distillery&source=bl&ots=fPDI0znvEp&sig=SiQNIqioSBs9ABA7ETKt7Kn8w70&hl=en&ei=8fZlS7vFCJf-0gTHjpXHBg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=10&ved=0CCAQ6AEwCQ#
annclare
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At the beginning of 19th century, the district of Clonmel gathered the highest concentration of whiskey distilleries in Ireland after Dublin, about fifteen of them.
Try emailing one of them to see if they have the history of them in Clonmel.
http://www.celtic-whisky.com/clonmegb.htm has a contact address.
Hopefully you will be able to sample a Double at each one some lunchtime!! ;D
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hi everyone thanks for the replies here is alittle more info 3 other scots went to ireland with john nairn
james mcqueen his brother in law john boyd his brother in law and john murray i dont know it he is
another brother in law or not all 4 men invested in and helped to start a distillery in marfield only three
stayed in the business. john joined the navy and returned to scotland.
beans
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The Marlfield Distillery is generally accepted as having been founded by Andrew Stein, although later than your man's d.o.b would suggest.
There were many small distilleries in Clonmel and some of them were "not quite legal". Is there any chance he was a "moon-shiner"?
Dara.
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On the 'Tipperary Resources' page I clicked the links to Pigot's Directory 1824 and Slater's Directory 1842, while researching my own ancestors.
The links take you to a page where you can choose 'Munster' and then the pages for Clonmel.
I was not looking for your man, but I did notice there were headings for distillers and for wine and spirit merchants. Just thought it might be worth you having a look in these trade directories or any others you can find.
Edwina
researching HANRAHAN
SHINE
McGRATH
in Clonmel
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Clonmel, in South Tipperary, had quite a few Distillery's, when the corn market collapsed, many of these old mills were turned into Distillerys, the Distillery at Marlfield however was purpose built for that exact purpose in 1817 by John Stein, so if your John Nairne came to help set up that distillery he would have been roughly 41 years old at that time, in 1859 the Mill at Marlfield Clonmel was employing 150 people. the Distillery was purchased by the Jameson Whiskey family of Dublin in 1850's but was closed in 1867, there are many unusual names in Marlfield Church Graveyard, many of them of Scottish Origin, former workers of the once prosperous Marlfield Whiskey Distillery. when I can lay my hands on the Marlfield Graveyard records, I will post back if I can find any evidence of your John Nairn-Nairne.,, ps if you mentioned who John Nairn's parents were it would help in any search for a marriage in Ireland, as one or other of the Parents would be named on the Marriage Cert, and this would narrow the field greatly.