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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Stirlingshire => Topic started by: b1b2j3 on Wednesday 27 January 10 10:46 GMT (UK)
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Hello, I'm in Australia and I am wondering if any one has any photos of Abercrombie, Burden or Burden married Milne gravesites, specifically in Stirling itself. Obviously, I can't access Scots sites etc. And I dare to guess I never will be able to go there. My Scots cousin is an Eadie adventurer & genealogist, he has little time to do the Abercrombie / Burden 'bit'. My immediate Burden folks were brewers in Stirling. The family from the Abercrombie, Ure, Yuill, Rae, Taylor, Thomson & it went on from there. I have a huge resource on these families & am willing to share via ancestry.com site. I have tried to eliminate gros data.
Thank you, Bron (of the Burden Bannatyne)
A little bit of history is:
A Lair (of Peter Burden) photo is attached. But other relatives must exist somewhere in the Old Stirling Graveyard? Maybe elswhere? Transcription is at end.
1756 17 Jan Birth of Elizabeth Abercrombie. Daughter of Henry Abercrombie and Margaret Ure.
St Ninians, Stirling, Stirlingshire, Scotland,
3 Jun 1787 Age: 31 Marriage to Peter Burden
St Ninians, Stirling, Scotland, United Kingdom
03/06/1787 ABERCROMBIE ELIZABETH PETER BURDEN/ blah blah .... 0359. ScotlandsPeople GROS Database. 1837 12 Feb Age: 81 Death
Stirling, Stirlingshire, Scotland, United Kingdom
St Ninians.
Spouse & Children
Peter Burden 1752 – 1829 Husband.
Peter Burden 1788 – 1843
Henry Burden 1791 – 1871 (died in Troy, NY, USA)
James Burden 1795 – 1863
William Burden 1797 – 1827
Memorial erected by Ann nee: Eadie, Burden. Source- A.Eadie Genealogist / Photo. 03/06/1787 ABERCROMBIE ELIZABETH PETER BURDEN/F blah de blah F St Ninians /STIRLING blah blah blah ....2 source citation; Family Researcher Eadie etal1837
Burial
Stirling Old, Graveyard, St Ninians, Stirling, Stirlingshire
Stirling Old, Graveyard, Son Peter Burden, Lair. Stirling Old, Graveyard.
Stirling Old Cemetery, St Ninians, Stirling, Stirlingshire, Scotland, United Kingdom Source: Andrew Eadie of Scotland. And his recent pics on sites & burial grounds. Gravestone erected by Ann Eadie for associated Family members. ---- And inclusive of those who died after. " Erected in Memory of her husband John Burden. Died 1 July 1852 33 years .... his Mother Ann McLay died October 27 1820 ..... his Father Peter Burden died 23 November 1843..... his Grand Father Peter Burden died 1829... his Grand Mother Elizabeth Abercrombie died 1837.... Margaret Rae Wife of Peter Burden... .. Died leaving one child John Rae Burden or Rae BURDEN. More likely due to contraindications of having a child at the time. Ann Eadie Wife of John Burden... And William Burden 1837-1904." Some early inscriptions were very hard to read. Source: Andrew Eadie of Scotland. And his recent pics on sites & burial grounds.
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Try this site.
Excellent.
If they don't have what you're looking for, they'll go looking for you, weather permitting.
Dave
http://www.memento-mori.co.uk/
Added... If for some reason you cannot access the site, please let me know - I'll forward your mail to the owner of the site.
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Hello Bron,
According to the Mitchell's pre-1855 Monumental Inscription Book, the stone in the photo is in Holy Rude Kirkyard in Stirling.
Holy Rude Kirkyard is beside Stirling Castle, right in the heart of Stirling whereas St. Ninian's is ....... in St. Ninians (about a mile or two outside Stirling city centre).
Anne
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Try this site.
Excellent.
If they don't have what you're looking for, they'll go looking for you, weather permitting.
Dave
Thank you, I am currently unemployed and a Carer. I have no spare money. I have seen the page though. Sorry and thank you. Bron.
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Hello Bron,
According to the Mitchell's pre-1855 Monumental Inscription Book, the stone in the photo is in Holy Rude Kirkyard in Stirling.
Holy Rude Kirkyard is beside Stirling Castle, right in the heart of Stirling whereas St. Ninian's is ....... in St. Ninians (about a mile or two outside Stirling city centre).
Anne
Many thanks for this. My Cousin Andrew photo. He took it a few years ago I think. I will change reference though. Bron
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At least you can search the site for free bron. It would tell you whether graves exist and their location.
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And I will keep searching. Many thanks, Bron
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At least you can search the site for free bron. It would tell you whether graves exist and their location.
Wow, the site has changed from circa 2005. All I had then were pdf files. thank you so much for the little kick along.
Bron
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From Cousin photographer.
Bron,
This gravestone is in what is described as the Stirling (Old) Cemetery and is in the immediate neighbourhood of the Holy Rude Church that was the Parish Church for the Burgh of Stirling. There can be confusion as there is also the Parish of St Ninians that adjoins the parish to the south in what is now Stirling.
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Hi Bron,
Cousin Photographer is quite right.
To give you a better idea of the location of both Churchyards ......
Go to Multimap UK, (choose either road or aerial views) and key in the map reference NS794936, this is Holy Rude.
Change the map reference to NS796916, this is St. Ninian's
Or .....
Start at Holy Rude, follow the St. John Street until it becomes Spittal Street, then onto King Street.
King Street joins Port Street which then becomes St. Ninian's Road.
Follow St. Ninian's Road (B8051) which eventually becomes Main Street, until you come to a junction (with Weaver Row, Borestone Crescent and Kirk Wynd)
St. Ninian's Churchyards are located on Kirk Wynd and this is St. Ninian's.
Sounds a bit complicated, but once you've had a look at the map, you'll actually see how straightforward it is.
Anne
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There is/was another Burden stone in Holy Rude.
From the same publication previously mentioned:
James Burden, Brewer died 28th July 1863 age 68
Wife Isabella McAllan died 14th November 1825
2nd wife Mary McLay died 21st January 1861 aged 62
Peter Burden died 22nd December 1833 aged 15 months
Janet Burden died 11th October 1870 age 42, wife of
William Liddel died 18th February 1900 age 74
James Burden L. died Ghinde, East Africa 13th February 1897 age 32
Janet Burden McNicol died 27th November 1900 age 44
Isabella Burden McNicol died 27th July 1907 age 81
Mary McLay L. died 13th April 1941 age 79
Robert McNicol born 14th March 1854, died 28th January 1914.
I have no idea what the 'L's' stand for (James Burden L. and Mary McLay L.)
Anne
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In St. Ninian's Old Churchyard (There are 2 St. Ninians Churchyards' - the 'Old' and the 'New)
1. (Flat Stone)
1843
David Abercromby, farmer, Bandeath
Isobella Mackey Abercromby
2. (Sits at head of above)
David Abercrombie died 20th July 1849 age 82
Wife Isabella Mackie (born?) 1783 - died 17th October 1847
Daughter Isabella born 17th May 1809, died 4th June 1824
Son David born 27th July 1805, died 17th May 1881
3.
1833
David Sharp
Janet Abercromby
4.
Andrew Ritchie of Guildybutts in Falkirk Parish, Shipmaster, Airth died July 1782 age 63
Wife Janet Burden died 1831
Anne
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L stands for Liddell / Liddle / Lidell.
Monumental Stone. Holy Rude (Mar & Valley) Churchyard. and from Andrew the Photographer. "The later grave photo I sent you for the Burden family is in the Mar & Valley Cemeteries that adjoins the Old Cemetery".
James Burden and Family. Sacred To the Memory of James Burden Brewer Stirling died 28 July 1863 aged 63 years. Isabella McAllan his Spouse died Stirling 14th November 1825. Mary McLay his second Spouse died 21 January 1861 aged 62 years. Peter Burden died 22 December 1833 aged 15 months. Janet Burden wife of Wm Liddell died 11 October 1870 aged 42 also William Liddell died 18 February 1900 aged 74 years also, James Burden Liddell died at Chinoe, South Africa 13 February 1897. And Janet Burden McNicol died 27 November 1900 Isabella Burden McNicol died 27 July 1907 aged 81 years. And Mary McLay Liddell died 13 April 1941. Photographer: Andrew Eadie, 2008.
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I'll be Googling and Thank you. Bron
Hi Bron,
Cousin Photographer is quite right.
To give you a better idea of the location of both Churchyards ......
Go to Multimap UK, (choose either road or aerial views) and key in the map reference NS794936, this is Holy Rude.
Change the map reference to NS796916, this is St. Ninian's
Or .....
Start at Holy Rude, follow the St. John Street until it becomes Spittal Street, then onto King Street.
King Street joins Port Street which then becomes St. Ninian's Road.
Follow St. Ninian's Road (B8051) which eventually becomes Main Street, until you come to a junction (with Weaver Row, Borestone Crescent and Kirk Wynd)
St. Ninian's Churchyards are located on Kirk Wynd and this is St. Ninian's.
Sounds a bit complicated, but once you've had a look at the map, you'll actually see how straightforward it is.
Anne
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Hello again Bron :)
Just to let you know ...... (and probably confuse you further!)
All the cemeteries you mentioned are quite separate.
1. Holy Rude Churchyard
2. Mar Cemetery
3. Valley Cemetery
Also beside Mar & Valley cemeteries, there's another one - Snowdon Cemetery
100 yards along the road on the other side of Stirling Castle is yet another one - Ballengeich Cemetery, on Ballengeich Pass and collectively, they're known as the 'Top of the Town' Cemeteries.
Unfortunately, your cousin is wrong about the other Burden stone. It's in Holy Rude.
If you visit Multimap (again!!), and key in map reference NS791937 and zoom in as far as you can looking at an 'aerial view', you'll see a large very white stone at the left of the map (where the Churchyard tapers to a triangular shape). The Burden stone in question sits 3/4 rows in fron of this white stone towards the Church.
Anne
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The attached Burden gravestone is in the "Valley Cemetery". The descriptions of the cemeteries adjacent to what is now called the Holy Rude Church are given in a recent publication by Stirling Council Library Service. Unfortunately copyright issues prevent me from posting the layouts of the Mar & Valley Cemeteries and the Stirling (Old) Cemetery given in this publication. The gravestone erected by Ann Eadie is in the Stirling (Old) Cemetery. In the 19th century this was referred to as the "graveyard". The layout of these cemeteries in the 19th century can be seen on the large scale town plans for Stirling on the National Library of Scotland website at http://www.nls.uk/maps/townplans/stirling.html
Prior to church being called the Holy Rude Church in the the 20th century it was actually two churches, one for the East Parish and one for the West Parish.
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Hello abe23.
Thank you for adding that info and the links - most useful.
I think I was confusing poor Bron more than I was helping!! :-\
From a very reliable and knowledgeable colleague in Stirling, I am able to confim that the Burden stone in question is indeed in what is now known as Holy Rude Churchyard and is Lair No. 91.
Lair 91 orginally belonged to a Thomas McGibbon and was acquired by James Burden in 1850.
Anne
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Hi I have just found this site and have lot of information re the Abercrombie line. Henry Abercrombie "Potter" in Throsk married Margaret Ure. His line came from John = Margaret M'Lea and his parents were Robert = Jane Stobie and their parents were John Abercrombie and Catherine Black. I am descended from this line and am a descendant of David and Isabel Mackie. I am also Australian and am here for one week Would be interested in talking to anyone who is related or can give me any further information or photos.
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I'm in Australia as well and a descendant of Elizabeth Abercrombie who married Peter Burden. A long long time agooo. Then came My Burdens and Andrews Eadies and Mal's Lawsons etc. All of us little twigs and or big sticks on the individuals you mentioned of the 17th c.
Elizabeth Abercrombie. Birth. 17 January 1756
(Daughter of Henry Abercrombie & Margaret Ure)
Born, in St Ninians, Stirling, Stirlingshire, Scotland, United Kingdom. Death. 12 February 1837
in Stirling, Stirlingshire, Scotland, United Kingdom.
Peter Burden. Birth. Abt 1752 in Dunblane, Perthshire, Scotland, United Kingdom. Death.
1829 in Stirling, Stirlingshire, Scotland, United Kingdom.
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where are you in Australia? Have a lot of info on the Abercrombie line I am in Scotland at present, will be home next week and will contact you then
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You could download 'Google Earth' and type in 'Kirk Wynd, Stirling, UK'
If you zoom in, you can have a look at a selection of excellent shots from Goggle's 'Street Cams'.
Cheers.
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My name is Rick from Western Australia and I am from the Elizabeth Abercrombie who married John Hunter at Ballarat her father was the Henry who married Helen Yuill 1821 Stirlingshire and his father Henry who married Janet Harvie. I am brand new to Roots Chat after seeing your info. How do I go about asking you for any info and how do I give what info I have to you.
Would be much appreciated to make contact with you.
Regards.
Rick
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Those posting here may be interested to know a lot of restoration work has been carried out on these cemetries in recent years. The following web site is worth a look:
http://www.oldtowncemetery.co.uk/
Sandy