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Lost Forrest should read Lost Alchemyst!! as I have no idea how to go about finding William Forrest of County Cork (where in County Cork I don't know). The information I have is that he married Margaret Russell about 1894 and they had 5 children: Andrew Joseph, Honorah (Nora) not sure of spelling, Mary, Robert and Bridget Mary. I think William died between 1900 & 1909 as Margaret & children came to Australia in 1909 and Margaret married again some years later. Margaret (nee Russell) had 2 sisters that I know of Mary Ann and Bridget both of whom were Presentation Sisters who came to Australia at different times - Bridget left the community and later married. It is William Forrest I am looking for and what part of County Cork he came from.
Perhaps I can't see the Forrest for the trees!! (Bad joke - I couldn't help myself!) I would be most grateful for any help.
Many thanks,
Alchemyst
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if you look on familysearch.org there are eight Wm. forrest births for cork. do you know either of his parents names.
regards Mary.
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Hi Mary,
Thanks for your reply. No I don't know the names of either of William's parents which is half the problem. I have actually now managed to work out (with some help) that the family is NOT from the North/East of Cork. Just to make it more difficult!! as there doesn't seem to be the same amount of information available in the South. So it's back to the drawing board and maps etc of County Cork!
Thanks again.
Regards,
Alchemyst
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Quick question?
Is it possible the name of birth parents of the sister who got married may be listed on the marriage and/or death certificate?
Have you tried the Presentation Sisters? Their Mother House should have a record of each person who entered as well as the names of parents, etc. They should also have a record of where each person was posted.
Crabby
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Hi Crabby,
There are Presentation Sisters on both sides RUSSELL & FORREST on the Russell side two entered in Ireland and came to Australia - one of them left the community and married some years later. On the FORREST side was my grandmother's sister Bridget/Brigid who entered the Presentation Convent in Australia and I know her parents are William Forrest and Margaret (Russell) from County Cork - have already tried the Presentation Convent some time ago. Death certificates will give the same info - not WHERE in County Cork or dates of birth for parents. As my grandmother never spoke much of her early years in Ireland other than she was born in County Cork my sisters and I were just trying to find a little information on those early days and her parents especially as my father has recently been diagnosed with cancer. His first name comes from his mother's maiden name and his middle name comes from his father's first name - Forrest Edgar. The search was an idea to perhaps "brighten" things up a bit and if nothing else we did at least find out when my grandmother came to Australia and the name of the ship.
Thanks for your input.
Best wishes,
Alchemyst
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My name is Wendy Sharron Josephine (Hurst) Mears from Perth Western Australia, Australia. I am the daughter of A Hurst & J Hurst the fifth child of 11 children born to Hanora Patricia (Forrest) McDonald & Thomas Hubert McDonald.
I am responding to "Lost Forrest" Cork City, Ireland. My grandmother was Hanora (Nora) Patricia (Forrest) McDonald Born December 1896 Died September 1977. She was 15 years old when the family arrived from Cork City. Her father was William Forrest.
The family migrated to Australia where they had relatives at 'Iona' Presentation Convent, Mosman Park WA. Aust. I believe Margaret Russell had a sister (Lielia) a nun called Mother Lielia) at Iona they looked after them until they were settled. The nuns at Iona educated the children.
I learnt that my great grandmother Margaret Russell remarried and had a daughter Connie who I met just once.
FAMILY FROM CORK CITY ARRIVED AUSTRALIA APPROX 1911
Margaret (Russell) Forrest
Grandmother Russell (mother to Margaret)
Hanora Patricia (Forrest) McDonald
Massie (Forrest) Morrow (not aware that she entered the convent)
Bridget Forrest (joined the Presentation / religious name Mother Assumpta)
Andrew Forrest
Robert Forrest (killed in France WW1 aged about 18 yrs old)
My mother Joan Hanora (McDonald) Hurst died on 13 June 2009. We have some history recorded which we can share.
I have a sister (*) and a brother (*).
We would be very interested to hear from any members of my grandmothers family. (*)
Wendy Mears
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What a wonderful surprise!!
I will email you when I have recovered from the shock and get my brain to work again.
Till then - thanks,
Alchemyst
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found a possible match for the marriage of William and Margaret on the Civil index :
Name: William Forrest
Registration district: Cork
Record type: Marriage
qtr/year: Jul - Sep 1894
volume: 5 / Page: 100
Name: Margaret Russell
[same index details]
you can order a marriage cert from the GRO (www.groireland.ie) using these details which would give you a location, father's names, occupations etc
Shane
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Many thanks Shane. My greatest difficulty has been trying to find a date of death for William which I know is somewhere between 1901 and 1909.
Margaret & children left Ireland in 1909. Do you have any ideas? Because it seems the harder I look the more elusive he becomes!
Alchemyst
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there's only seems to be one death of a William Forrest in Co. Cork around the right time :
Record type: Death
Name: William Forrest
Registration district: Youghal
quarter / year: Jul - Sep 1902
Age: 70 (Est birth year: 1832)
Volume: 4 / Page: 493
does this fit the estimated year of birth for your William ?
Shane
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Thanks for taking the time Shane - I don't feel so bad now - William was born 1864.
I'm beginning to think he might have been the Scarlet Pimpernel - as I seek him here and I seek him there!!! Of course everyone knows that the Scarlet Pimpernel was Irish!!
Alchemyst
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I have tried for what seems like forever to find a year of death for William Forrest born 1864 County Cork - presumably died somewhere between 1901 and 1909. His wife and children travelled to Australia abt 1909 and his wife remarried abt 1911. Rumour has it that he went to some family/friend event or funeral, weather was bad, he got sick and died shortly after (or did he??). Not sure if he travelled to another county or what happened.
I admit that I am not exactly computer literate on some of the sites I have found but other relatives better at this than I have had no success either.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Many thanks,
Alchemyst
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It would seem that I have travelled this path before and forgotten - I apologize for any time wasted.
Alchemyst
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If no one is taking William Forrest of Youghal... can I put my hand up for him...I have a William Forrest as a witness to a bap. for a Johanna Forrest dau. of Matthew Forrest and Sarah Mitchell at Coolbane, Tullylease CORK.
Does anyone have or know of anymore information on William. I think he may have had a son, George who can out to Queensland to follow his cousins. George's father is listed as William John.
Cheers..
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Dear Trish
Re your request:
Does anyone have or know of anymore information on William. I think he may have had a son, George who came out to Queensland to follow his cousins. George's father is listed as William John.
I am a descendant of George William Forrest who was born in Cloyne, Cork Ireland in 1864 and died Mt Morgan Queensland in 1931. He was involved in the mining industry in Australia from 1886 and was Manager of the Mt Perry Copper and Gold mine in 1911.
His father as listed on his 1899 Marriage Certificate was William John Forrest and his mother was Bridget O'Reagan.
I would be intersted in sharing any additional information or possible links you may have on George or William
Regards
F
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Hi - hopefully I am doing this the right way now as everything seems to have changed!!
Just wanted to say FINALLY! AT LONG LAST! SUCCESS! William Forrest is no longer lost and I now have a date of death (it was driving me crazy). Would you believe it helps to irritate other family members until they finally think further outside the square than you could possibly imagine. Thanks to my sister she finally did that and surprised me (I'm still not sure how she managed it) apparently he is buried at St Finbarr's cemetery - guess it must be a fairly old cemetery.
Thank you so much to everyone who have been so kind and helpful along the way.
Happy New Year!
Alchemyst
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Hi forrest/ whyatt/ cashman
I have a date of 1864 - 1903 for William Forrest died Ireland.
Margaret came to Australia with her mother Mary holmes forrest 1833 - 1919 who lived died in Northam Western Australia.
Margaret married Allan Whyatt 1874 - 1972 of Gnowangerup Western Australia
My name is Michelle my hubbies name is Robert Whyatt his dad is david whyatt his dad is Charles Authur then Allan Whyatt all of Gnowangerup some came from Horsham Victoria Australia.
Also related to Aylmore Parnell Wellstead Ect in Gnowangerup. If you look up Gnowangerup website looking for family history you should get alot and also via cashman family on wikitree ect. Your quite welcome to grab info from my tree on ancestry.
We are also in Perth Western Australia.
Michelle
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The information I have is that he married Margaret Russell about 1894 and they had 5 children: Andrew Joseph, Honorah (Nora) not sure of spelling, Mary, Robert and Bridget Mary.
Andrew Forrest - 21 May 1895
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1895/02210/1834573.pdf
Bridget Mary Forrest - 25 May 1900
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1900/01990/1765936.pdf
1901 census with the Russell grandparents.
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Cork/Cork_Urban_No__4/Dublin_Street/1103793/
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I have a date of 1864 - 1903 for William Forrest died Ireland.
Administration of Estate-
Deceased Surname: Forrest
Deceased Forename: William
Primary Beneficiary/Executor: Margaret Forrest
Date of Death: 25 Aug 1903
County of Death: Cork
https://willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/reels/cwa/005014913/005014913_00087.pdf
No sign of an official death record.
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Thanks to my sister she finally did that and surprised me (I'm still not sure how she managed it) apparently he is buried at St Finbarr's cemetery - guess it must be a fairly old cemetery.
For info.
1903 burial on findagrave
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/153842792/william-forrest
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Michael Russell (father of Margaret) died 21 July 1905. Married, aged 70 and a police pensioner.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1905/05583/4568219.pdf