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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Leicestershire => England => Leicestershire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: stewnkez on Tuesday 26 January 10 01:11 GMT (UK)
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Hi,
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Eliza King b. Loughborough approx 1823, father John King.
Eliza married John Cartwright, don't know where or when.
They had a son James b. Lansborough approx 1850.
Continued their family in Australia from 1852.
Look forward to hearing :)
Cheers
Kerry
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this looks like them
1851
Market Place
Loughborough Leics
John King head W 62 Innkeeper Costock Notts
Eliza Cartwright daughter M 27
John King son U 23 Watch maker Loughborough
John Cartwright son in law M 20? Farmer out of business Loughborough
Mary Fox servant U 24 House servant Sheepshed leics
HO1072085 315 3
can't read the name of the Inn -but it looks like "Eliza Capture"?
Suz
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Marriage reg FreeBMD
Jun qtr 1850
leicester
On same page
John Cartwright
Eliza King
15 138
Suz
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1841
Market Place
Loughborough
leics
John King 50 Watchmaker No
Hannah 50 yes
Mary 20yes
Thomas 20 yes
Eliza 15 yes
John 15 yes
William 11 yes
HO107 595 32 28
Suz
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Thanks Suz,
This does indeed look like the King family.
Any sign of JamesCartwright b. Lansborough? I see he wasn't listed in he 1851 census although his death in Aust. lists his parents as John Cartwright and Eliza King. Maybe born after census 1851?
John Cartwright's death lists his parents as James Cartwright and Rebecca Wells - 1851 census indicates he too was from Loughborough - any trace of his earlier beginnings?
Thanks - It is wonderful to ge such help and this gives me much to work with.
Cheers :)
Kerry
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IGI has this baptism - extracted
James Cartwright
born 12 Apr 1851
baptised 7 Mar 1853 All Saints Loughborough Leics
Parents John Cartwright/Eliza
this looks the most likely birth reg FreeBMD
James Cartwright
Jun qtr 1851
Loughborough
15 176
are you certain the family were in Aus from 1852???
Suz
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Hi Suz,
Thanks for the info. re. James.
No I'm not certain that they were in Australia from 1852 on, but have birth lists of children to John and Eliza Cartwright in NSW from 1852 onwards. There could have been another John and Eliza producing children in NSW, in the same area during this time, I hadn't even considered that. Am I tracing the wrong family? :(
When James died he was registered as being born in Lansborough. The others, whom I thought were siblings did not indicate a UK birth.
I also noted in the 1841 census that Mary and Thomas were both aged 20 and Eliza and John both aged 15 - could they have been two sets of twins? Wow.
Thanks so much..
Cheers, :)
Kerry
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Hi Suz,
I've been thinking and thinking ... is there any sign of a birth for Elizabeth Hannah Cartwright round about the same time as James 1852 - 1860 or indeed, any other siblings? Perhaps they were born in England along wih James.
Elizabeth Hannah is my direct line, but her marriage cert. says birthplace Chernwood, NSW. Is there a Chernwood in the UK near Lansborough/Loughborough?
Cheers,
Kerry
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Hi Kerry,
On the 1841 census the ages were rounded down to the nearest 5 years so it is unlikely that the siblings listed are twins. When I first started looking at my tree I was startled at what I first took to be triplets in one of my families :)
Loughborough is in the Borough of Charnwood. This takes its name from Charnwood Forest which is an upland area in NW Leics roughly bordered by Coalville, Loughborough and Leicester. I am not aware of an actual village etc by the name of Charnwood/Chernwood or similar.
I had a quick search for births of Elizabeth Cartwrights in Loughborough between 1850 and 1860 but none came up. You can search the birth, marriage and death indexes yourself for free at www.freebmd.org.uk
Hope this helps
Brie
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this looks like John in 1841
Sparrow Hill (thanks to Brie for deciphering address)
Loughborough
Leics
James Cartwright 35 Farmer
Rebecca 35
James 15
Elizabeth 14
William 12
John 10
Ambrose 3
Richard 1
Ann Unwin FS 12
all b in county
HO107 595 34 4
so it looks like you have the correct family
as brie has posted 1841 census is different to other census in that ages of adults 15 yrs plus are rounded down to the nearest 5 years -so an age given as 15yrs indicates that person was age 15-19 yrs.
Also p.o.b. aren't given -just "yes" or "no" in answer to the question whether they were born in the county they were living in.
Relationships are not given either.
Suz
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I queried when they emigrated as James was born 12 April 1851 and baptised Mar 1853
There are no records on IGI of John and Eliza having more children baptised in Loughborough
There is no record of a birth reg 1852-1860 for Elizabeth Hannah
I don't have access to records but some RootsChatters do, so it may be worth asking for emigration records to find the year they did leave
Suz
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Hi Suz and Kerry,
The address on the 1841 census is Sparrow Hill. This is in the old part of Loughborough. The Parish Church is on it along with a couple of the oldest buildings in Loughborough.
Brie
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Well done Brie - I was puzzling over that -I'll edit it
Suz
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Hi Suz and Brie,
Your blood's worth bottling!
Thank you so much.
I will go onto the free bdm site, thanks Brie.
There is so much for me to learn. They say you should try and learn one new thing each day - I think I am learning way too much ;) ;)
Cheers
Kerry
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Dear Kerry,
I believe that I am related to the John and Eliza Cartwright
of your posting, being a great great grandson of John's brother William
Ambrose Cartwright (the William in the 1841 census household posted by
Suz). I have a great deal of information on this family, which I would
be happy to share with you.
John and Eliza had various children in Australia, including an Elizabeth
Hannah, who married Francis Lewis SMITH in 1875. Perhaps that is where
you fit in, Kerry, in which case we are very distant relatives.
Some of the postings by you, Suz and Brie ask about John and Eliza
emigrating. I believe that they sailed to Australia on the "Earl
of Charlemont", which was wrecked on the coast of Victoria, Australia,
near Barwon Heads. There is a web page concerning this wreck at
http://www.zades.com.au/bellhs/shipcha1.html
This includes a list of passengers, including John and Eliza, and their
infant son James. The ship left Liverpool on March 13, 1853 (6 days after
James's baptism in Loughborough). Fortunately all aboard were rescued.
There are newspaper articles from the time describing the wreck and
the subsequent inquiry.
Regards,
Donald
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Hi Donald,
:) :) :)
I have sent a personal message.
Look forward to hearing,
Cheers
Kerry
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John & Eliza Cartwright settled in the Sutton area of NSW, their property is still owned by the Cartwright family today.
have sent you a pm stewnkez
Dorliz