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General => The Common Room => Topic started by: Filiem on Monday 25 January 10 12:37 GMT (UK)
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Hi everyone, I really hope somebody can help me with my GGG Grandfather Richard KINLIN. Born about 1848, Manchester, Lancashire according to the census returns.
I have a very probable marriage for him :
Dec 1871 - Richard KINLAN Stockton 10a 229 (Mary Ann McIntyre also on page)
From 1881 he is not a problem, I have located him thus:
1881 census - Dale Street, Middlesbrough, iron roller (?)
1891 census - High Wilson Street, Middlesbrough, rivetter
1901 census - Station Street, Middlesbrough, boiler rivetter
All with wife Mary Ann and children
Probable death 1912 Middlesbro 9d 768 (age tallies with birth year of 1847/48)
BUT where did he come from? I can't find any trace of him on any census until 1881, 10 years after his marriage! I can't find a birth or baptism for him either.
I am just about to send off for the marriage certificate of 1871 but I just wondered if any kind Rootschatters out there could help me in the meantime. Any ideas, clues, where to go next?
PS .There is a Mary KINLIN (born abt 1813, Ireland) living in Middlesbrough in 1881 census (listed as Grandmother) staying with an Ann BOLTHAM (born abt 1851 in Scotland ??? which puts a spanner in the works)...possibly Richard's mother and married sister? . Also Ann's two young sons. Just a thought and maybe a clue, but it hasn't helped me much.
Many thanks.
Em
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Hi Filiem
What about this one, 1851:
1851: Durham Street - Middlesbro,
HO107 / Piece: 2383 / Folio: 258 / Page: 11
Head: William KINLIND 30, Lab Foundry, b Irland
Wife: Mary KINLIND 30, b Irland
Son: Richard KINLIND 5, b Manchester Lancashire
Dau: Ann KINLIND 4, b Scotland
Dau: Mary KINLIND 2, b Bishop Auckland, Durham
(I'm pretty sure the name is not RINLEND ;D ;) )
Cheers
AMBLY
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;D Oh my word I think you've found them in 1851! Thank you ever so much...Rinlend you say...no wonder I couldn't find them and I'm wondering how you did! Thank you again...and in Middlesbrough even back then...I had no idea they would be there that early. Wow.
They certain seemed to move around a lot when the kids were young ???
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And.........
1861: Commercial Street - Middlesbrough,
RG9 / Piece: 3687 / Folio: 6 / Page: 11
Head: Mary KENLIN 49, widow, b Manchester {Ireland}
Son: Richard KENLIN 14, b Scotland {Manchester}
Dau: Ann KENLIN 13, b Middlesbroro Yorkshire{Scotland}
Dau: Mary KENLIN 12, b Ireland {Middlesboro Yorkshire}
Name is not REULIN ;) ;)
I think the enumerator has made a bit of a boo-boo in the place name column and got himself a bit out of order.
The person above Mary KENLIN snr is a 10 yr old girl, said to be born Ireland - the rest of her household (parents & sibling) all born Middlesboro.
I think - Mary Snr is supposed to be Ireland, not the 10 yr old before her. Then drop the pob down for the rest of the KENLIN's - and it all fits, with exception of Mary jnr but it's not so 'out'for her, I kind of 'get' that one!!
PS: The POB enclosed in { } is my belief of what it was as returned by the householder, before the enumerator made his mistake.
Cheers
AMBLY
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I checked the Unfilmed Manchester 1851 Index first - nothing, then
Believe it or not, I just searched regular 1851 for all Richard's living anywhere in England, who was born Manchester abt 1847 - then squinted at the names to see potential spelling mishaps! He was the 87th person down the list ;D ;D
Cheers
AMBLY
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PS .There is a Mary KINLIN (born abt 1813, Ireland) living in Middlesbrough in 1881 census (listed as Grandmother) staying with an Ann BOLTHAM (born abt 1851 in Scotland ??? which puts a spanner in the works)...possibly Richard's mother and married sister?
Bang on! ;D ;D
Cheers
AMBLY
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AMBLY - you are truly a star, I can't thank you enough...these blinking Kinlins were one of the reasons I gave my family history a break for a good 6 months, I was getting so frustrated with Richard! And you've found them for me...I am so grateful, thank you ;D. I'm just going to take a look at the census images myself and have a nosey!
I can understand the enumerators alignment issue you mentioned, it's exactly the type of thing I have been known to do when filling out forms and such like!
I checked the Unfilmed Manchester 1851 Index first - nothing, then
Believe it or not, I just searched regular 1851 for all Richard's living anywhere in England, who was born Manchester abt 1847 - then squinted at the names to see potential spelling mishaps! He was the 87th person down the list ;D ;D
Cheers
AMBLY
That sounds incredibly technical and clever! Thank you...I didn't think Richard was an incredibly common forename at that time so always thought he might "stand out" from the crowd...unfortunately his surname seems to have caused problems too!
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I always forget, until something like this topic happens - that the capital K can look very like the capital R in some of the old handwriting styles!
Can't immediately see them in 1871. Maybe you can winkle them out now with the extra names to go on. If not give us a yell back.
Cheers ;D
AMBLY
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Thanks again, going to have a snoop around, I'll be back, don't you worry ;)
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!871 Census.....have a look at RG 10 / 4890 / Folio 14 / Page 12/ Schedule 94
Union Cottages, Middlesbrough
Richard Hinghis, head, u, 22, Iron roller, Manchester
Mary do, mother, widow, 50, Ireland
Ann do, sister, u, 21, Scotland
Polly do, sister, ?2, Yorkshire Stockton
??? ???
Jennifer
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Hello Jennifer and thanks for joining in the hunt! ;D
That looks very promising what you have found, in fact I would say it is spot on! The Polly mentioned is very much a mystery ??? It does quite clearly say Polly as well, hmmm.
And guess what household is at the top of the same page...the McIntyre family Richard married into :o Although Mary Ann the daughter he married isn't listed I'm sure that is them. Unbelievable, thank you ;D
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Hi Em
Polly was a very common nickname for Mary!
(I have a Gt Aunt Poll, who was really a one)
(google: polly nickname mary)
Cheers
AMBLY
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Hi again, thank you for the Polly information...I had no idea about this...looking at the Kinlins and McIntyres in the 1871 censuses it would appear there is a young child (William Kinlin, 3 months and Polly McIntyre, 2 years) in each household...seemingly a bit young to be the children of the householders as stated but more likely to be grandchildren perhaps?
I found Mary Ann McIntyre (Richard Kinlin's wife-to-be) in 1871, 3 pages before her family, lodging with the Davies family also in Union Cottages, listed as a hawker I think.
Lots more work to do, I need more coffee I think! ;D
Thanks again, Em
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Oooh...
March 1871 birth
McINTYRE William Stockton 10a 50
???
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Well, can I heck as like find any birth registrations for Richard b 1848 Manchester and his sisters Ann and Mary :'(. Any help welcomed :)
Even going countrywide nothing obvious springs up with any of them. I thought I was going to have problems tracing the Kinlin family back to Ireland (which I wouldn't know where to start with) but I can't find any of their births on the mainland...is it possible they weren't registered?