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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => London & Middlesex Lookup Requests => London and Middlesex => England => London & Middlesex Completed Lookup Requests => Topic started by: snootycat on Monday 25 January 10 00:24 GMT (UK)
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I had an ancestor Abraham Hall, who was in Hackney Union Workhouse, according to the census, in 1901.
However I cant seem to find it in the ancestry search engine for poor law records. It would be interesting to find out any record of him online. I have been to www.workhouses.org and can see some pics, I would also like to download some of these for the record, but once again do round in circles. There must be something wrong with my search technique. I have been doing this for several years but never seem to have as much luck quickly finding material as other people! They seem to know where to go instantly. I think my problem is that I almost always use ancestry, so havent become familiar with other resources.
Thanks
Pam
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If you want to download a picture, right click and choose "copy image" then paste it or use "control v" to copy it.
Stan
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Are you allowed to do that without permission?
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Looks like Hackney isn't one of those boroughs included in the LMA records now available on Ancestry.
Click below and you will be able to look(on the right of the page) which boroughs are included.
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec/?htx=List&dbid=1557&offerid=0%3a7858%3a0
Carol
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Oh I see, no wonder I was having difficulty, Is there any other way of accessing this online?
Thanks
Pam
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Are you allowed to do that without permission?
If it is for your own private records then I can see no problem.
Stan
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Just a reminder that the LMA/Ancestry project is still very much a work in progress.
There are thousands of records still to be digitised, transcribed and placed online.
The LMA does have some surviving Hackney board of Guardians records ref HABG-7 and I'm sure in the fullness of time these will appear. Whether these will be relevant though is another matter
http://search.lma.gov.uk/scripts/mwimain.dll/144/LMA_OPAC/web_detail/REFD+%22HABG-7%22?SESSIONSEARCH&URLMARKER=STARTREQUEST
Dawn
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Many thanks
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Hi Pam.. not sure exactly what you've already found but I tried an ancestry search in the 'London Workhouse Admission & Discharge registers' for 'Abraham Hall' and some results came up (perhaps not a lot of interesting info on them though!). But hope it helps ! Heres the link: http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=LondonAdminDisch&gss=sfs28_ms_db&new=1&rank=1&msT=1&gsfn=abraham&gsfn_x=0&gsln=hall&gsln_x=0&MSAV=1&uidh=2ti
From the records that came up I can tell you he was born in 1859, a labourer, Church of England and admitted to the workhouse 22/12/1900. He was then discharged 18/02/1901 at his own request. Then re-admitted 25/03/1901
Rosy :-)
(PS. my great-grandfather & his 2 siblings were also in Hackney Union Workhouse! in 1918)
I had an ancestor Abraham Hall, who was in Hackney Union Workhouse, according to the census, in 1901.
However I cant seem to find it in the ancestry search engine for poor law records. It would be interesting to find out any record of him online. I have been to www.workhouses.org and can see some pics, I would also like to download some of these for the record, but once again do round in circles. There must be something wrong with my search technique. I have been doing this for several years but never seem to have as much luck quickly finding material as other people! They seem to know where to go instantly. I think my problem is that I almost always use ancestry, so havent become familiar with other resources.
Thanks
Pam
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Hi Rosy
Welcome to Rootschat ;D
According to her profile, Pam hasn't been online here since Sept 2013 but as long as her email address hasn't changed, should receive a notification that you have posted and hopefully come back soon.
Are you related to Abraham Hall?
the link to Ancestry doesn't work unless you have a subscription.
Dawn
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Thank you, I havent been on here for a while. Is there any way to found out why he went in in the first place? I have checked his records for a while, but I seem to recall he died there.
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Thank you, I havent been on here for a while. Is there any way to found out why he went in in the first place? I have checked his records for a while, but I seem to recall he died there.
I don't know why he was admitted - I'm not sure if it was ever recorded, but as far as I'm aware the only 2 reasons are: because they were too poor to support themselves(i.e. no employment available or perhaps too old/ill to be hired) or they were ill, disabled, or weak in some way (physically or mentally) and therefore unable to care for/support themselves.
He was first admitted 22/12/1900, then discharged by his own request 18.02.1901. He was readmitted 25.03.1901 and then 12 days later discharged to the infirmary. As he was admitted to the infirmary only four months after his arrival - he likely had poor health / was weak in general from poverty.
There is then an Abraham Hill, also born in 1859 who in the 1920s is admitted to Christchurch workhouse in Southwark, occupation as a carman.. perhaps it is a common name or perhaps the same person again?
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Thank you, I havent been doing any genealogy for quite a while as I ran out of things I could find out! I will restart though now I have a bit more to go on. He died from heart failure at the age of 64, caused by a leaky valve. In other words congestive cardiac failure. It would have caused a backflow of blood. We started be able to treat this in the 50s when we invented artificial valve, a relatively simple device. Died first Sept 1916 in St Albans Workhouse. He would have been progressively unwell some time before that. Presumably he was sent back or he returned home, perhaps fr his daughter to look after him or something. I also noted an Abraham Hall who did time, I have restarted my Ancestry subscription for now so I can look it up.
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Having looked up the Abraham Hall who did time, the sentence was ten years for breaking and entering with Larceny at Hertfordshire Quarter Sessions in 1869. It looks like the same chap except that the following year he is entered on the census as living at home. Now there are three possibilities. One is that it is someone different, secondly he could have been cleared for some reason and lastly that his father lied on the census to cover up the fact he was in prison. Bearing in mind my experience with faux marriages, I would not think that is as unlikely as it might sound. However if it was him he definitely wasnt in prison for ten years as he got married and had children! Any ideas? I assume if he was sent to prison there should be some record of his arrival which, again I assume would show his age and if he was subsequently cleared there would be a record of that. i have never checked criminal records before! Having discovered how colourful the lives of our ancestors seem to be its never a good idea to discount anything!