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I have.
Anthony Mullen died age 61yrs 1928. Interred 07-11-1928.
I sent vital record office for the Death Cert:
Answer Can find no trace of Anthony Mullen. ???
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Hi Leprechaun! Where did you find that death information listed and do you have any other details on your Anthony ??
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LissaM you did some work on another thread - same person - but I don't know how to amalgamate the two. ???
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not me -- Lisa in California helped on this one ...... unless you found another thread on Anthony Mullen ??
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,417902.0.html
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No, just mixed you two up again !!! ??? Sorry :'(
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Hi Leprechaun.
On the other posting where Anthony immigrated in 1880 he was 18 years old - so that made him 1862.
The difference in age on todays posting is 61 years old in 1928 - would make him born 1867.
Can you confirm which one is correct. ???
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Hello Lissa.The lady that did some loook ups for me was about Anthony emmigration. Not his death.
Ok The only information I have on his death is for the Holy Cross Cem: The Graves belonged to his sister. Catherine Ann Loftus nee Mullen.
Interred there is.
Catherine 1942.
Mary Kate 1977
Joseph 1984.
And according to the Holy Cross Anthony Mullen 1928.
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The correct one is 61yrs when he died. Making him born in 1867 Thankyou.
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Do you have Catherine's census details for 1880, 1900, 1910 and 1920 to see if her brother is living with her ?
If not and you want that, would need some more details on her. 388 hits for Catherine Ann Loftus in PA -- exact and close matches -- not including a wider less exact search.
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Who gave you the information that Anthony died in 1928 and is at Holy Cross Cemetery. Was it a relative or have you found a death date somewhere ? ??? Just trying to clarify.
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Hi Lissa. Cath went to Ireland in 1908. Stayed for a while and did go back to Phil;
The last address I have for Cath in Phil; is 819 North Judson Street. That was where she died. She lived at that address with her son Joseph.
By the way Anthony stayed single he never married. As far as I know he never lived with his sister.
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Who gave you the information that Anthony died in 1928 and is at Holy Cross Cemetery. Was it a relative or have you found a death date somewhere ? ??? Just trying to clarify.
The information came from the Holy Cross Cem:Location for his grave is.
34-13-22-1/8 if that helps.
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Would this look like catherine and Joseph. 1930 Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.
Catherine Loftus 60 Married age 25. Naturalization 1900
Joseph Loftus 23 Conductor Street Railway
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Yes Joseph was a conductor on the Street railway.So Yes that is Cath and Joseph.
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I have Cath: Death Cert: The age on the census is wrong.
Which I know often happens. Cath was 78yrs when she died. making her born in 1864.
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Does this look a possibility for Anthony. He never married, did he live with his sister and a nephew ?
Wilkes-Barre Ward 1, Luzerne, Pennsylvania.
Anthony Mullen 52 Labouer at a railway yard. Maria Mullen 44
Thomas Mullen 18 Born in New York. Labourer at a Lace Mill.
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Thankyou dettori. I had seen that some time back. And thought yes that could be him. Working in the Railway Yard. and Joseph working on the Street cars.
It's the only one I have seen that I would say is a good bet.
Did it say that maria was a niece and Thomas a nephew.?
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Not doing great on this one. Managed to get to a list for Holy Cross Cemetery. Delaware County but could'nt find any of the names you have listed. Still not all these lists are complete.
No death records showing up on ancestry either. ???
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It said sister and nephew on that one.
I am getting the impression now that there may be more than 1 Holy Cross Cemetery iin Philadelphia.
This one:-
Holy Cross Cemetery (catholic)
Bailey Road & Yeadon Avenue
Yeadon- Pennsylvania 19050
There is another Holy Cross Cemetary on Longview Rd. Hermitage, Pennsylvania.
and someone wrote - there used to be one now St Mary's in 1800 S 10th Street Philadelphia ....???
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Thankyou for your effort dettori. A man of Mystery.
Following is the print out I have from the Holy Cross cem:
Owner ID 313889 Name Loftus Catherine A
Name 2:
Address 891 N Judson Street. Lot/Mausoleum 034-13-22-Lot
Nbr of Graves 3 /
Nbr of spaces 4 Range
Location
34-13-22-1/8 Anthony Mullen 61 11-07/1928
34-13-22-2/6
34-13-22-2/8
34-13-22-3/8
Have just had a look. I have Holy Cross Cem: 626 Bailey Road Yeadon,P A 19050. Yes R/C.I have a map of the cem: and a Picture of cath's Grave.
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This is so strange.
I had a similar experience when I started investigating. Distant relative knocked down on a Los Angeles freeway, social services handled the inquest, burial etc. because no relatives could be found. We know exactly what the paperwork says and where she should be but they say she is not there.
How about:- www.raogk.org/pennsylv.htm - (Regal Acts Of Human Kindness)
List of volunteers willing to do a volunatary genealogical research task in Pennsylvania. Maybe someone could take a look for you ??
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Hello dettori,Thankyou so much for all your effort it is appreciated.I will give the web-site a try thankyou.
You just never know. :)
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No problem. Please let me know how you get on. I think I have found Catherine Loftus on another passenger list on the SS Baltic with a daughter Mary (Age 32) 1 Dec 1924. They were going to visit her daughter Mrs J Henry 822 North 25th Street. Philadelphia. The district of Ireland they were coming from was something like Bonniconl??? Does the name Mrs J Henry mean anything ? ;D
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Hello dettori,
Yes that is catherine and Daughter on a trip back from Ireland.[Bonniconlon} And Mrs Henry is Cath: eldest daughter.
Cath is with daughter mary kate. LOl for once they have the age right.Mary K was born in 1892.
dettori I emailed that site and had an email back from a lady who said she will see what she can do and I will hear very soon.I will let you know the outcome. A big Thankyou again. :)
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Hi Leprechaun.
Your very welcome. That is fantastic and I do hope you hear some very positive news soon.
Please come back if you have any further queries. ;D ;D
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Hi dettori. No good news the lady could not find him. Lol what's new.
but like you, she did her best and it was appreciated.
Thank's for everything. :)
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Was it the grave she could not find - or was it the record of him she could'nt find. ??? :(
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She was looking for an orbit:
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I wonder if there would be someone willing to go to Holy Cross Cemetery for you ?
Was that the only RAOGK volunteer for the area ?
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The family has to pay for and write an obituary BUT there could be a funeral notice that the funeral home puts in the newspaper. Sometimes harder to find and will be very short on details, however.
I agree with dettori, see if someone can actual go to the cemetery. You might have to wait for that -- if it is snowy and it is cold --- they might not do visitations in winter!
Was this discussed previously ?? Have you contacted the local public library? It's is often a 50/50 kind of thing -- especially with budget and staffing cuts now days BUT yesterday I was emailed by a librarian that she found an obit I requested in Nov/Dec and had put into the mail for me. She had to put some extra effort into it as the date of death I had given her was off by 10 days. So you never know! At work now but if you don't have the link to the library from someone else by tonight, I will find it for you.
lissaM
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Lisaam - not sure there is a library in Philadelphia now. Just read some articles that said Philadelphia Free Library System was shutting down - dated 13 Sept 2009 - closing 2 Oct 2009.
Reading back through the posts - was only able to find a possible Anthony, sister and nephew on a 1920 Census for Luzerne. Pennysylvania. Maybe looking in the wrong district for a death record !!
It was Holy Cross that told Leprechaun he was buried there and gave him a printout with the other members of the family. ???
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Hello dettori and Lissa.
This is what the lady said.
Unfortunately I could find no orbit for him.He either did not have one written
[ Many didn't,even though it was free at that time],or there was one written where he lived.
Well the only address will be on that 1920 census for that I am sure is him.
Thankyou Both Lep :)
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As I said in a reply further up the only address seems to be the 1920 one in Lucerne. How about requesting a copy of the death certificate from Pennsylvania Vital Records, you have a date of death or burial. Cost of copy seems to be $3.00 but they have the following criteria -
Access to death records in Pennsylvania is restricted to family members and legal representatives. With your request, include as much as you can of the following: the name on the death record being requested, date of death, place of death (city or county), your relationship to the person whose certificate is being requested, your purpose for needing the copy, your daytime telephone number with area code, your handwritten signature and complete return mailing address.
This is the only address I can find:-
Division of Vital Records
State Department of Health
Central Building
101 South Mercer Street, Room 401
P.O. Box 1528
New Castle, PA 16101
Phone: (724) 656-3100
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The website is up -- didn't read all but there is mention of closing for some renovations ?? -- but they have information on helping Haiti - so it's current and there is a genealogy section. I didn't click -- but see what they say! Nothing to be lost except the time to send an email!
Don't think we are that bad off yet when the public library in a major city would close ..... YIKES! Actually heard library attendance is up 'cause people are not buying so many books!
http://www.library.phila.gov/
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Cheer's Lissa Will give it a go. :)
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As I said in a reply further up the only address seems to be the 1920 one in Lucerne. How about requesting a copy of the death certificate from Pennsylvania Vital Records, you have a date of death or burial. Cost of copy seems to be $3.00 but they have the following criteria -
Access to death records in Pennsylvania is restricted to family members and legal representatives. With your request, include as much as you can of the following: the name on the death record being requested, date of death, place of death (city or county), your relationship to the person whose certificate is being requested, your purpose for needing the copy, your daytime telephone number with area code, your handwritten signature and complete return mailing address.
This is the only address I can find:-
Division of Vital Records
State Department of Health
Central Building
101 South Mercer Street, Room 401
P.O. Box 1528
New Castle, PA 16101
Phone: (724) 656-3100
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Thankyou dettori I have all you have written.Would you be kind enough to look again at the 1920 census and see if there is a street name and number.Where Anthony and niece were living.
I feel awful asking when you have been so kind.
Both you and Lissa have gone out of your way. :)
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Not a problem Leoprechaun.
No proper address that I can work out. Just numbers. Have sent to LisaaM - see if she can decipher anymore - sorry.
1920
Wilkes-Barre Ward 1, Luzerne, Pennsylvania.
House number 3
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Didn't get the 1920 image, dettori ---sent my personal email ?? FamilySearch pilot does not have 1920. Glad to take a look at the address along the left side column. They are often hard to read or figure out if you are not already familiar with the town. Happy to give it a go!
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Sent again - yes, personal e-mail. Only have short life span.
Just appears to be numbers - first 3 columns.
House Number 3 488 561
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didn't get it --- street name is usually written in vertically along the far left column -- You might check the previous census page to see if the page is a continuation with house no 1 and 2, maybe ?? The street name was often missed by the enumerators, however ....... and why do I think this could be one of those times :-[
Know Anthony died in 1928 -- but is Maria at the same address in 1930? Now that would just be too easy, huh?
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I think it is 3 Auburn Street. / North Main ;D
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Hi Leoprechaun.
Trying to find other census - came across this interesting 1900 census which was split into 2 families but they are all living at 5 Auburn Street. Wilkes Barre. Ward 1. Luzerne.
It looks as if the whole family immigrated to the USA ?
This was on one sheet.
Thomas Mullin 72 Widowed. Immigrated 1882
Peter Mullin 21 Single Immigrated 1882
Mary Mullin 28 Single Immigrated 1882
Anna Fleming 26 Boarder from Ireland.
Then on this sheet this looks like a daughter Ann and her family with Thomas Mullen who appeared on the 1920 census with Anthony and Marie or Mary.
Ann Cawley 38
Patrick Cawley 17 Mary Cawley 14 Anna Cawley 13 Kathrine Cawley 9 John Cawley 9 Thomas Cawley 8 Francis Cawley 7 James Cawley 5 William Cawley 2 Mildred Cawley 2/12
Thomas D Mullen 1/12
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It would appear Thomas Mullen travelled on the SS Wisconsin 17 May 1883 with at least 5 children - one of them Peter mentioned on the census above. Names are so tiny - difficult to read.
???
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didn't get it --- street name is usually written in vertically along the far left column -- You might check the previous census page to see if the page is a continuation with house no 1 and 2, maybe ?? The street name was often missed by the enumerators, however ....... and why do I think this could be one of those times :-[
Know Anthony died in 1928 -- but is Maria at the same address in 1930? Now that would just be too easy, huh?
Thankyou again Lissa. Lol no not easy. I cannot fault you and dettori for trying. :)
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Hi Leoprechaun.
Trying to find other census - came across this interesting 1900 census which was split into 2 families but they are all living at 5 Auburn Street. Wilkes Barre. Ward 1. Luzerne.
It looks as if the whole family immigrated to the USA ?
This was on one sheet.
Thomas Mullin 72 Widowed. Immigrated 1882
Peter Mullin 21 Single Immigrated 1882
Mary Mullin 28 Single Immigrated 1882
Anna Fleming 26 Boarder from Ireland.
Then on this sheet this looks like a daughter Ann and her family with Thomas Mullen who appeared on the 1920 census with Anthony and Marie or Mary.
Ann Cawley 38
Patrick Cawley 17 Mary Cawley 14 Anna Cawley 13 Kathrine Cawley 9 John Cawley 9 Thomas Cawley 8 Francis Cawley 7 James Cawley 5 William Cawley 2 Mildred Cawley 2/12
Thomas D Mullen 1/12
Thankyou dettori Never heard of a Thomas Mullen that old. In 1920 Thoma's Maria,s son was 18yrs old. Born in New York.
Anthony Parents were James and Elizabeth. Thankyou for all your hard work. :)
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Sometimes there does tend to be discrepancies in dates of birth, immigration dates etc.
The Thomas Mullen on the 1900 census in Lucerne was 1 month old and born in New York.
That census was taken on 2 June 1900. 5 AUBURN STREET
The Thomas Mullen on 1920 census in Lucerne was 18, that census was taken on the 7 Jan 1920 - so if it were the same peson they would actually be 19. Not a million miles out. 3 AUBURN STEET.
Coincidence then - that 2 Mullen families lived at almost the same address - 20 years apart !!!
I presumed Ann Cawley may have been a daughter but it does'nt say that. Thomas born 1828 could be any other relative.
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Thankyou dettori. I will keep these Mullen's one just never know's.
And the Irish do tend to stay together.When they leave Ireland.
BY the way have emailed the Library. So we will see what they say.
LOl but You I and Lissa will not hold our breath. Where Anthony is concerned. ;D
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The only suspected sighting we had of Anthony in any records, was the 1920 census. Having got the address off that it showed a family of Mullen at that same address in 1900 and 1920.
Bearing in my mind what you said Leoprechaun - that the father of your Anthony was James, I have investigated further.
I have found this Anthony in 1900 and 1910 and his father was Thomas so that discounts him as being your Anthony. Its back to the drawing board for you I'm afraid.
:(
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Thankyou dettori. He is a mystrey man.He had a brother Patrick. But Patrick never left Mayo.I know about Patrick lets just say he was a bit of a devil ;) ;D
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an "international man of mystery"........
I google mapped the Auburn St. address. It's a very short street and does intersect N. Franklin and N. Main (sort of?) They also have a street view so you can see the neighborhood today. Maybe this has become a red herring search now but that many Mullens on that street for years must mean something unless it's one of those parallel universe coincidences ::)
So what's the story w/ bro Patrick ;D
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Oh Lissa Patrick was notorious ;)
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Good Day Leprechaun.
Just bringing this back to the top of the pile again. May have found someone who can help you. So its a case of watch this space and keep everything crossed.
All The Best ;D
Anthony Mullen 7-11-1928 Catherine Ann Loftus 1942 Mary Kate 1977 Joseph 1984.
Grave Reference:- 34-13-22-1/8 Holy Cross Cemetery. Philadelphia.
Owner ID 313889 Name Loftus Catherine A
Name 2:
Address 891 N Judson Street. Lot/Mausoleum 034-13-22-Lot
Nbr of Graves 3 /
Nbr of spaces 4 Range
Location
34-13-22-1/8 Anthony Mullen 61 11-07/1928
34-13-22-2/6
34-13-22-2/8
34-13-22-3/8
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Hello dettori,
I will indeed watch this space.Lol I have everything crossed. ;D
So kind of you to still have me in mind.
And my best to you. :)
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Does the Holy Cross interment listing give any name other than Anthony Mullen? I see that Catherine Loftus owned it; what I'm looking for is any other clue.
Did someone go to the cemetery to look for the grave? I was there yesterday and hope to head back over the summer. I can look then; the only way to do so is to use what you've provided as this cemetery is HUGE.
In looking over this thread, there is no indication that Anthony died in Philadelphia. He was buried there, but in my experience, it's not uncommon for someone to die in one state or county but be buried in another. You might want to try contacting the state again. Here's what I would do (though I've no done it and don't know if it would work): make a copy of the no record found response, make a note on it that he was BURIED in Delaware County, and ask if they would have a record for transporting the body. They may not look again, but you'll have only lost the cost of a stamp and ruled out a source in the process.
The Philadelphia Free Library is still active and open. They have raised the price on obits, but they continue to do the lookups. It now costs $10 as opposed to 2 or 3, but it's an excellent resource.
The bad news in your search is that you're working in a time frame that's not easily researched as newspapers online stop at mid-1922 in Philadelphia. The Philadelphia City Directory is published less frequently by now, and the vital records are not allowed to be viewed by the public after mid-1915. With no spouse or children to search for, there's little to work with now, but it is still doable, just a bit more challenging. If you have information that you aren't comfortable posting publicly or that is recent, please feel free to send me a PM.
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Hello Laurie,I will get all the information out and post you tomorrow.I will PM you.
I do appreciate you taking an interest.And I thankyou.
So kind of you and Dettori.
:) Lep
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As always Leoprechaun I wish you the very best of luck and hope something positive will develop for you.
Regards.
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Hi Dettori,
I hope so.You just keep the fingers crossed now ;D
Kindest Regards Lep. :)