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Clement Okey and Ann Tyson were married 20 Jun 1785 at Trinity, Ely, Cambridgeshire. Does anyone here have access to the parish register for that marriage? I'm having trouble figuring out if it's the Clement born 25 Nov 1761, haddenham, to parents Clement and Elizabeth. Or the Clement born 5 Oct 1763, Haddenham to parents John and Ann.
I am hoping the marriage entry might shed some light on which Clement he is.
Thanks for the help!
-Claire
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Hi Claire,
From Ely Holy Trinity parish register transcripts
Clement Oakey (signature Okey) bac, otp, married Ann Alison, sp otp
20 Jun 1785. Wits Frans Winter and Sarah Millar
Ann's name is definitely Alison on the transcripts not Tyson.
Tempsford
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Ann's surname is Alison on the Banns too so makes it more unlikely to be a transcription error.
Selina
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Oh dear.... the extracted record on FamilySearch has it wrong then.... arrrgggghhhh back to the drawing board looking for the marriage of Clement and Ann.
Thanks for the information :)
-Claire
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Is it not possible that this Clement and Ann are who you need? Does she have to be a Tyson?
I can't see another suitable one in Cambs at present.
Selina
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ohmygosh, I miss read the post. Thought it was "Alison Tyson". (Hadn't had my coffee yet...) Yes, this is probably my Clement and Ann :)
Unfortunately, it still doesn't help shed light on which Clement Okey he is. Their first child was christened in Haddenham on 12 Feb 1786. Is there any chance there is information about Clement's father in the baptism entry in the register?
thanks,
Claire
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Can't help with that I am afraid, I don't have Haddenham.
Selina
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Thanks for your help Selina :)
-Claire
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No -it just says Mary of Clement and Ann. I don't think Haddenham Prs have the father's occupation listed until about 1815-may be later.
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Have you checked to see if either was buried at a young age? Or if there's a marriage anywhere of the "other" Clement?
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The online access to the Cambridgeshire Burial Index only goes back to 1800, so if one of the Clements died young, I don't know. I just ordered a CD of the Haddenham parish records, so I should know in a few weeks. :-)
There were a ton of Okeys in Haddensham, generations of them, all having children at the same time, all called John, Robert, Thomas, and William, with the occasional Clement thrown in to confuse me :)
Thanks for all the help!
-Claire
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You might be interested in a couple of references to the Okey family from Charles Bester's "Parish History of Haddenham".
He mentions a Thomas Okey who was a churchwarden in 1698 in a chapter about a local trust .
In a chapter about local wills he gives an inventory of the estate of John Okey, shopkeeper, who was buried 19th September 1701.The value of his goods came to £141 , 9s, 8d. The inventory refers to the contents of his house,"ye shop" and "ye shop at Hillrow"
There may be more references to the family in the book but unfortunately it is not indexed-I think it was originally a ollection of essays about the village.
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From the later index there are two burials and hopefully the full entry from the PR might contain more information of one or the other, both at Haddenham
Clement Okey in 1838 aged 77 and Clement Okey in 1841 aged 77.
Selina
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Thanks for the reference AnneB, and yes Selina,, I've seen those two burials, just didn't know their ages. The dates are right for those Clements being the ones born in 1761 and 1763, so I will eagerly await the parish register CDs to see what I can learn :-)
thanks for the help!
-Claire
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I can look them up for you if you don't want to wait-they should give the ages in the PRs at that time.
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That would be really nice of you :)
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Not much joy with the PRs-they both just give date of burial and age 77 but I checked the Monumental Inscriptions fiche and found the following-
Okey- Clement s of Clement and Elizabeth O d 28th March 1838 aged 77. erected by his niece Elizabeth Gooby Robert s of same d April 26th 1734 aged 9 yrs 9 months.
The Gooby family kept a shop in Haddenham at one time-I believe it was the shop on the corner of High St and Hop Row-known as the "Top Shop" when I was a child
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I have resolved the two Clement Oakeys of Haddenham.
Clement and Ann Oakey were my great x5 grandparents ... so I too had to figure out WHICH of the two Clement Oakeys it was who married Ann.
If we assume that the records of age at death are correct, then the first to be born was the first to die. And Ann died BETWEEN the two of them.
So I ordered Ann's death certificate, to see what it said.
I have it here in front of me as I type.
When and where died: Thirtieth of October 1839, Haddenham.
Name and Surname: Ann Okey
Sex: female
Age: 74 years.
Occupation: Wife of Clement Okey Shoemaker.
Cause of death: Inflammation of the Bowels
Informant: Sarah Bedford, present at the death. Chatteris
When registered: Thirty First of October 1839
So ... if she was the wife of Clement Okey when she died (and not a widow), the Clement Okey who married Ann was clearly the SECOND of the two to be born.
I have identified the following earlier generations:
Clement Okey's parents: John Okey and Ann Okey (nee Pake)
Ann Pake's parents: William Pake and Mary Pake [nee Okey]
Mary Okey's parents: John Okey and Elizabeth Okey (nee Negus)
Elizabeth Negus' parents: John Negoose and Ursula Negoose (nee Luckett)
Ursula Luckett's parents: William Luckett and Anne Luckett (nee Bush)
Anne Bush's parents: Willyam Bush and Alse Bush (nee Pegge)
Willyam Bush's father might have been William Bush (he is the only plausible candidate among the recorded burials in Madingley)
William Bush the elder's father might have been Anthony Bush (same reasoning)
I hope this helps.
Also - a generic question to anybody else who is descended from this Oakey line. My maternal grandmother was born an Oakey. She, and my mother, and I all have webbed toes - our second and third toes on each foot are joined all the way to the first joint. Does anybody else who shares this Oakey ancestry have a similar feature??
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If we assume that the records of age at death are correct, ..............
Burial ages are notoriously unreliable, particularly the older the deceased was. This isn't an assumption that I would make
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I agree in principle, Bedfordshire Boy - but in this case BOTH recorded ages at death imply a year of birth which tallies with the dates of baptism; and I am therefore much more willing to accept them as accurate. Quite possibly, Haddenham had a diligent parson who actually looked up his parishioners' baptismal records to satisfy himself of the accuracy of the ages he was recording!
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Thanks jbml, for bringing this thread to the forefront! I'm also suspect of ages of death in burial registers and those carved into grave markers. But, in looking back through earlier posts, I see AnneB posted a transcript of a monument inscription for the Clement who died in 1838.
The text of the AnneB's transcription indicates this Clement was the son of Clement and Elizabeth. My question, is that what was actually carved into the marker? If so, it would seem to support jbml's supposition that Ann, wife of Clement, not widow, must have been married to the OTHER Clement, son of John. Am I on track with this thinking?
Claire
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Claire -
That looks right to me. All the evidence is pointing the same way, and I would be inclined to trust it rather than distrust it on the grounds that certain of the evidence is of a type which has a tendency to be unreliable. If it was not corroborated, then I would certainly retain an open mind. But it IS corroborated.
So are you descended from "my" Clement Oakey, or "the other one"?