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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Durham => Topic started by: elaine1601 on Friday 22 January 10 15:13 GMT (UK)
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I am trying to trace John McIvor (my g.g.grandfather) born about 1843, died between 1905 and 1920 and according to the 1881 census (this is the first record found of him) was born in Durham, South Shields (we had understood he came from Harris / Lewis) so this was a surprise. I can find no birth, marriage or death certificate for him in either Scotland or England. He was married to Annie Collier who came from Cloughton, Scarborough (listed as Nancy in 1881 census) and she died in Glasgow in 1929 after moving there from West Derby, Lancs. He had 3 children - 2 boys and 1 girl. He was a musician (flautist) and possibly a teacher (head?) and possibly has the middle name of Henry.
There are lots of John McIvors from around the same birth year in Lewis/Harris but as I dont know his parents names or siblings, I dont know if I have the right one.
If anyone has come across him, please let me know.
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Hello
In the third quarter of 1873, there is a marriage registration at Sheffield for a John McIvor and a Nancy Collier. The GRO reference is 9c 724.
The marriage certificate should provide both fathers' names and possibly other useful information.
The son, Henry P McIvor, was born in 1874 at Sheffield.
posteria
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Thanks for that. Sounds like the right person - Henry P is my g.grandfather. Looks like I am going to have to order a copy of their certificate.
Elaine
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Further confirmation that he was born in England ....
1891 Scotland Census Index
John McIvor Head M 47 Professional Flautist England
Anne do Wife M 44 England
Henry P do Son 17 Van Man England
John A J do Son 13 Telegraph Messenger England
Jane C do Daur 8 Scholar England
633 New City Road, Glasgow (Maryhill), Lanarkshire
posteria
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1901 Scotland Census Index
John McIvor Head M ? Professional Musician England
Ann do Wife M 54 England
Henry P do Son 28 Brick Maker (?) England
John Arthur do Son 23 Postman England
Jane C do Daur 18 Tailoress England
3 Raeberry Street, Glasgow (Maryhill), Lanarkshire
posteria
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Defo the right person then as I have already got that information and more, just trying to get a bit further back. Thanks once again. Do you know why Nancy would become Anne? I have traced her family back too and the only mention of Nancy is the 1881 census and the info you gave me for marriage - she is listed as Ann/e in earlier census for the Collier family?
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In the first quarter of 1844 there is a birth registration at South Shields for a John McEvar. The GRO registration is 24 201.
I wonder if this could be him ?
posteria
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Do you know why Nancy would become Anne?
Nancy was a frequently used alternative for Anne.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,253347.0.html
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Thanks for that, never came across the Nancy/Anne thing before but have heard of a Nan being a version for both.
The John Mcevar sounds interesting will look into that too.
Thanks.
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According to the England & Wales Criminal Registers 1791-1892 (which are available on Ancestry - but for which I can only see the Index), a John McIvor was tried for something in West Yorkshire on 21 August 1865 and the sentence was Imprisonment.
It could be a completely different person ... but yours was, apparently, in Sheffield in 1873.
I think you need to see the marriage certificate first to ascertain his father's name. Then, if he still cannot be found on the censuses with that additional information, you could order the birth certificate but make it conditional upon the father having the same name as is on the marriage certificate,
posteria
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I agree with Posteria that you must get his marriage certificate to find out his father's name.
However, I think this family could be a good possibility. Look at how the name has changed over the years ;D
1871 census.
RG10 / 5031 / 70 / 52
51, Commercial Road, South Shields
Barnard McIvor, head, m, 60, furnaceman at chemical works, Ireland
Mary do, wife, m, 58, do
James do, son, u, 21, blacksmith, Durham South Shields
Barnard do, son, u, 19, engineman at sawmill, do do
Henry do, son, u, 16, blacksmith apprentice, do do
1861 census
RG 9 / 3788 / 83 / 64
Laygate Road, Westoe, South Shields
Bernard McKeever, head, m, 50, Labourer, Ireland
Mary do, wife, do, 47, do
John do, son, 17, Durham South Shields
Ann do, daur, 14, do do
James do, son, 11, do do
Bernard do, son, 9, scholar, do do
Henry do, son, 6, do do
1851 census
HO 107 / 2399 / 649 / 44
Slake Terrace, Westoe, South Shields
Barnard McHewer, head, m, 40, labourer, Ireland
Mary McHewer, wife, m, 38, do
Arthur do, son, u, 15, Tile maker, do
Hugh do, son, u, 9, scholar, Durham South Shields
John do, son, u, 7, do, do do
Agnes do, daur, 4, do, do do
1841 census
HO 107 / 298 / Book 1 / Folio 15 / Page 24
Slake Gate Row, Westoe, South Shields
Barnard McKever, 25, Fac(tory ?) Lab, I
Mary do, 25, I
Arthur do, 5, I
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Ordered marriage cert so will be able to do more when that arrives.
I had come across Bernard McIvor but I dont think he is related as he is from Ireland but I could be wrong will see when cert arrives, mind you he does have sons called Arthur and Henry and these have been used mainly as middle names in our family and so far not come across them anywhere else. We have always been told that John McIvor (now thinking his dad) originally came from Harris/Lewis only thing is there are rather a lot of them so need to get parent names to narrow it down.
The arrest record sounds interesting too, I had heard he was very fond of a drink, so you never know, again will look further when marriage cert arrives.
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Hopefully you will let us know what the marriage certificate says.
I had come across Bernard McIvor but I dont think he is related as he is from Ireland
Why should Bernard McIvor not be related because he comes from Ireland?
Jennifer
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In the first quarter of 1844 there is a birth registration at South Shields for a John McEvar. The GRO registration is 24 201.
Just to add that a search of the South Tyneside Registrars site shows that this John was born in Westoe District of South Shields.
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Should you need it for future reference: Bernard McIvor's wife was named Mary McClaren.
Good luck,
J.T.A.
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Got the marriage certificate through today at long last. Bernard is listed as John's father. Just need to now track his brothers/sisters, etc.
Thanks for your help.
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So it looks like the family I listed in post 10 was the right one?
Jennifer
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Yes thank you.
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Should you need it for future reference: Bernard McIvor's wife was named Mary McClaren.
Good luck,
J.T.A.
I have this name as Mary McLERNON. This is given on their church marraige record.
Regards