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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Northumberland => Topic started by: Eve B on Thursday 21 January 10 19:59 GMT (UK)
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Any information will be greatfully received.
Thomas King Father of Wlliam King.
William was born in 1825, according 1881 census in North Shields,William married Elizabeth Hay 1st May 1843, at The Parish Church, Tynemouth.
Thomas King, Williams Father is described as a Shipwright on the marriage certificate, I would love to find any information about Thomas or any leads as to where I could go from here.
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William's baptism was at Tynemouth Christ Church 4 Aug 1824 s/o Thomas and Isabella, North Shields, Cordwainer
Sibling Dorothy baptised 26 July 1826, d/o Thomas and Isabella, North Shields, Cordwainer
Janis
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Hi Eve B
Your William, is the Waterman by occupation (1851, 1881 Census)?
Was that his occupation in 1843 when he married?
Who were the witness to the marriage and was there an address for him (William)?
Cheers
AMBLY
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Hello Ambly, thankyou for replying.
Yes, William was a Waterman.
Witnesses to the marriage were, Alice Hay and William Dunn, there is no address.
Thankyou for taking the time to reply.
Eve
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Hi Eve B
Hmm, a bit difficult isn't it...
In 1841, William would be about 16, or maybe 15 at the least. And possibly already apprenticed?
There's a Thomas KING wife Isabella, in Morpeth 1841 & 1851 - he's a builder & stone merchant.
No son name William on either.
There's a THOMAS KING, Shoe maker in Tynemouth in 1841. Who looks like the one 2zPool references above.
He has a son name William age 15, a Smiths Apprentice The wife's name is Margaret. But there is a gap of 6 years in the children, which might suggest Margaret is a 2nd wife and is mother only of a daughter named Margaret, b 1838 (on IGI) By 1851, Thomas & Margaret are still in Tynemouth, he's still a Shoemaker. Son William is gone, and next son Ralph, is a Whitesmith apprentice.
There's a Thomas KING in Alnwick, an Ag Lab, wife Ann. No son named William with them 1841. And I think, there was a Coal Miner Thomas KING in Seghill with a son of right age, wife Ann. Son William also a Coal Miner.
As your William was a Waterman, it's possible this trade will help identify him...going by this website and the section :
TRACING YOUR WATERMEN & LIGHTERMEN ANCESTORS
http://www.parishregister.com/aboutstp.html#ancestors
"If you have a Waterman or Lighterman Ancestor then you are very fortunate indeed. The surviving records .....are rich and varied, and date back to the late 17th Century.
The Bindings books (recording when and to whom an apprentice was 'bound') and the Affidavit birth proof records (noting the date and place of birth of an apprentice) provide a straightforward source of genealogical information.
The Quarterage books (recording license payments), Court of Complaint books (recording complaints to the Company about Watermen and Lightermen and the action taken) and the many other records showing names, plying places, fees charged, etc. can add colour and detail to an Ancestors life.
...No one could work on the river without being licensed. And to get a license you had to become an apprentice and serve under a master. The Apprentice Bindings books (which record the name of the apprentice, the date of binding, the master's name and mooring, and the date of freedom (i.e when the apprentice having learned his trade, qualified to get his own license) cover the period 1688 to 1949.
The original records are held in the Guildhall Library in London. ..........
The binding records entries (over 65,000 of them) have been transcribed by Rob Cottrell and are available in a PDF searchable format on CD-ROM...."
Cheers
AMBLY
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A possible 1841 census entry for William was given on this thread http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,338843.msg2180473.html#msg2180473
Jennifer
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http://www.watermenshall.org/tracing-ancestors/
You can also email Mr Cotterell direct, apparently he will undertake a search of his transcription database for a small fee.
Cheers
AMBLY
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Ah, ;D Well that looks about right - the 17 Year old Waterman which JenB found earlier:
HO 107/ 825/ Book 10/ Folio 50/ Pages 46 & 47
Pipemakers Bank, North Shields
Thomas Harrison, 46, Mariner, N
Jane do, 47, Y
Thomas Watson, 30, waterman, Y
Mary do, Y
William King, 17, waterman Y
So this topic here is a follow on from that one really.....now you have confirmation of the 1843 marriage and his father's name/occupation.
While people did fib /lie/err about their father's on marriage certs - I think Thomas the Cordwainer is out of the picture . His son William is with him in 1841.
Talking of fibs and such....have you already looked closer at Thomas HARRISON the mariner and who his wife might have been? It wouldn't be a stretch from Shipwright to Mariner.
Cheers
AMBLY
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Hi Jen.
That is the same William King.
Sadly it has taken me all this time to find the Marriage certificate of William and Elizabeth Hay
Thankyou for your help
Eve
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Ambly.
Are you saying Thomas Harrison could be Williams Father?, I'm confused :(
If that's the case then why would he be called William King? :o
Eve
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I've just looked at the marriage certificate again, Father's name clearly states Thomas KING.
I really don't know where to go from here :'(, but I thank you for your help :-*
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Hi EveB
People did make up details on marriage certificates - often to cover illigitimacy.
Sometimes the father's name and occupation can be a mix of two real men' s details. For one example: Thomas the shipwright may have been his father, but KING wasn't his surname.
I think your best bet to advance is to try the Waterman's records?
Cheers
AMBLY
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Thankyou Ambly :-*, I'll try that as I have no other leads.
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I have just received this reply from Mr Cotrell
Sadly I am unable to help you.
The Company of Watermen and Lightermen only looked after and apprenticed lads on the River Thames. On other rivers such as the Tyne the boys were taught by their families.
Regards,
Rob Cottrell.
Back to square 1 for me :(