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Any help finding the profession of Isaac Henton born abt 1781 in Sibson. He was married to Ann (abt 1775 also in Sibson) and I believe they spent all their life in Sibson.
Thanks
Sarah
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Greeting's Sarah......
I've had a look on the 1841. Census for Sibson but didn't find Isaac & Ann Henton...
But there was three Henton families within the Village
Richard Aged 60. Ag.Lab. ( Isaac’s Father ? )
W. Henton. Age 25. Ag.Lab.
William. Age 45. Tailor.
© Crown Copyright National Archives.
So that was two - one for Ad.Lab.
I found the following Marriage :-
ISAAC HENTON. ~ ANN GADSBY.
Sibson.
1804. By Banns.
© Copyright Leicestershire & Rutland Family History Society.2003.
I also found the following Burials in Sibson :-
Isaac Henton.
18th. Dec. 1854.
Aged 74.
Abode Atherstone.
Ann. Henton.
17th. Nov. 1843.
Aged 68.
© Copyright Leicestershire & Rutland Family History Society.2002.
I did try Atherstone returns for 1841. But the pages were too faded to read...Sorry.
MIKE.
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Mike
Thank you for that - Richard is a possible for the father but I am 99% certain that W. Henton is his son - so that's really useful - as is the information on deaths.
Thank again Mike
Rgds
Sarah
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Greeting's Again Sarah.....
Here are the full details from the 1841. census returns :-
HO 107 / 603 / 08 / Page 4.
Sibson.
Richard Henton. 60. Ag. lab.
Sarah Wife. 65.
Both born within the county.
Page 4.
W. Henton. 25. Ag Lab.
Sarah Wife. 25. Not born within the County.
Joseph. Son. 3.
Mary. Dau. 1.
All other than Sarah born within the County.
Page 8.
William Henton. 45. Tailor.
Elizabeth. Wife. 45. Not born within the County.
Joseph. Son. 10.
Aron. Son. 7.
Eliza Bates 5. Not born within the County.
The rest born within the County.
© Crown Copyright National Archives.
MIKE.
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Well Mike - this is brilliant - it looks like you have found a first wife for William Henton that I had no idea about - i'm sure it must be him howerver it seems odd that when he married again in Leicester in 1846 he declared himself a bachelor not a widower.
More thinking required I think
Thanks a lot though
Sarah
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Greeting’s Again….Sarah.
Further details……..
1851. Census City of Leicester.
2089/ 148/ 141 /8 / 27
Belgrave-gate
Markham Yard.
Names. / Status. / Age. / Sex./ Occupation. / Place of birth.
WILLIAM HENTON HEAD M 32 M ENGINE SMITH SIBSON
SARAH ANN HENTON WIFE M 25 F LEICESTER
JULIAN HENTON DAU 3 F GRANTHAM
MARY ANN HENTON DAU 1 F LEICESTER
© Copyright Leicestershire & Rutland Family History Society.2001.
But where did the other children from 1841 go to ?
Think this marriage belongs to the Family :-
St. Margaret’s Church.
Entry No.447, JUN 2, 1873, after Banns
WILLIAM RICHARD HENTON, 22, bach. BLACKSMITH, of PASTURE LANE, s. of WILLIAM HENTON, BLACKSMITH
SARAH ANN JEFFERY, 22, sp. of PASTURE LANE, d. of SAMUEL JEFFERY, BRICKLAYER
Wits: JOHN BILLINGTON, FRANCES EMMA JEFFERY.
© Copyright Leicestershire & Rutland Family History Society.2001.
Burials for Sibson Village :-
Names./ Dates./ Age.
HENTON SARAH 17 AUG 1845 70
HENTON RICHARD 28 OCT 1850 72
© Copyright Leicestershire & Rutland Family History Society.2002.
MIKE.
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Back Again.....
1851. INDEX ONLY Census returns for Sibson.
Vol. 2.
Index No. 171. = Sibson.
HENTON.
William. 35.
Sarah. 35.
Joseph. 12.
Mary.11.
Ann. 10.
Eliza. 8.
Sarah. 5.
William. 4 Months old.
© Copyright Leicestershire & Rutland Family History Society.2003.
Looks like William and Sarah are still in Sibson in 1851.
So The William on the 1851. City Census might be a Son of Isaac. ?
MIKE.
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Greeting's Again Sarah.....
1861. Census.
Looks like William has moved to Loughborough from Leicester...
RG 9 / 2274 / 27.
Loughborough.
Cobden Street.
William Henton. Head. Mar. 41. Engine Smith. b Sibson.
Sarah. Wife. b Leicester.
Mary Jane. Dau. 11. Scholar. b Ditto.
William. Son. 9. Ditto. b Ditto.
Ann. Dau. 8. Ditto. b Ditto.
Caroline. Dau. 4. Ditto. b Ditto.
Louisa. Dau. 2. b Loughborough.
Clara. Dau. 1. b Loughborough.
Meanwhile back in Sibson.......
RG 9 / 2263 / 82 / Page. 10.
William Henton. Head. 45. Ag. lab. b Sibson.
Sarah. Wife. 45. b Hurley Warwickshire.
Alice. Dau. 12. Haggler. b Sibson.
William. Son. 10. Plough Boy. b Sibson.
Charles. Son. 7. Plough Boy. b Sibson.
Harriet. Dau. 5. Scholar. b Sibson.
RG 9 / 2263 / 81 / Page. 8.
William Henton. Mar. 74. Tailor / Butcher. b Sibson.
Ann. Wife. 40. Dress Maker. b Witherley. Leicestershire.
William Biddles. Son-in-Law.12. Plough Boy. b Sibson.
© Copyright Leicestershire & Rutland Family History Society.2004.
MIKE.
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Mike
this is very interesting - but at least it shows that great great grandfather wasn't a liar and hadn't been married before - don't suppose there is another william henton in leicester in 1941 aged somewhere between 16 and 21?
I think I am going to have to make a visit to Leicestershire soon!
Sarah
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(apologies for bouncing an old thread!)
Hi Sarah,
Isaac was an ag lab, as were every Henton I've found in Sibson.
I'm descended through William (Bn 1816, Died 1888) / William (Bn abt 1851) / Charles Henry (Bn 1889) - my grandfather.
Happy to exchange any info you need. :)
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Hi Rob
How nice to hear from you
My William Henton was an engine smith and moved from Sibson before 1846 when he married In Leicester and died in 1880 in Nottingham.
According to his marriage cert his father was Isaac Henton, Labourer - I see from the IGI that two William Henton's were baptised on the same day in Sibson. I am assuming mine had the parents Isaac and Ann - does this mean that your William was the other one - child of William and Elizabeth?
They must have been related in some way - do you know anything about it?
I lok forward to your reply
Sarah
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Sarah,
This is one of the handicaps of researching a 'common' surname! Now that you've sown the seed of doubt in my mind, I'll have to get to Leics Archives and see if the PR, and whatever else I can find, can shed any light about this conundrum, and whether there is any link between our lines (quite likely, considering how tiny the village is!). :)
I show 'my' William Henton as marrying 1837 in Market Bosworth to Sarah Higgs, then having 9 children between 1838 and 1854, all in Sibson: Josiah, Mary, Ann, Eliza, William, Sarah A, Alice, Charles and Harriet.
Of these, William is my direct ancestor, having moved from Sibson to Derbyshire where he's shown on the 1891 and 1901 censuses as a Gas Stoker. The 1901, though, shows his place of birth as 'Sysin' or 'Sysen', which has been interpreted by Ancestry.co.uk as Syston when it clearly is not. The 1891 gets a bit closer (Sibstone).
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So Rob, you think your William is the son of Isaac and Ann too? I suppose that as your William was married in 1837 there is no marriage certificate for him. This is getting very intriguing ???
As Sibson is such a small village the two Williams are connected - I'm going to check out numbers of Hentons in the 1841 and 51 census and see if that reveals any clues and get back to you.
Sarah
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Hi again - I've found an Isaac Henton in Atherstone in 1851 but he's a retired tailor - figure that one out!
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Hi again - I've found an Isaac Henton in Atherstone in 1851 but he's a retired tailor - figure that one out!
That one is confusing, given his age as 70 would put him in the right time frame.
I see him also on the 1841 residing with William Henton, Tailor, age 70, giving William a birth date somewhere around 1771. Possibly an older brother?
BMD shows Isaac's death as -
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I'm not convinced he's the right Isaac - as why would a tailor be described as a labourer on a marriage certificate?
I can't find Isaac on the 1841 census - can you point me in the right direction please?
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Rob/Sarah,
Just had to join in this thread because I am also descended from William Henton and Sarah Higgs :)
My connection is through their daughter Ann that married Joseph Barnes in Kingsbury Warks on 12 October 1865. I'm not sure that I can sort out the 2 Williams but mine seems to have been a labourer.
Rob, I have a copy the younger William's birth certificate, he was born on 5th December 1850 and this confirms that his mother's maiden name was Higgs.
I have not gone back much further with this line but would be happy to help if I can ;)
Pinetree
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Rob/Sarah,
Just had to join in this thread because I am also descended from William Henton and Sarah Higgs :)
My connection is through their daughter Ann that married Joseph Barnes in Kingsbury Warks on 12 October 1865. I'm not sure that I can sort out the 2 Williams but mine seems to have been a labourer.
Rob, I have a copy the younger William's birth certificate, he was born on 5th December 1850 and this confirms that his mother's maiden name was Higgs.
I have not gone back much further with this line but would be happy to help if I can ;)
Pinetree
Hi Cousin!
I'd love a copy of that certificate if you could scan it. I'll PM you my Email address.
I've still to get to the Records Office to try to sort this one out but based on what Sarah has said, I'm doubtful that this Isaac is the father of 'our' William (Bap 21 May 1816). I want to track back another generation or two and see who his father was. I've a feeling that there will be a connection in there, somewhere. I know that IGI shows Isaac & Ann, but need to see the PR for myself! The only Isaac on the IGI film for Sibson was bap 29 Dec 1748, which would make him 68 when William was born - unfeasible to expect him to be William's father without further checking, but he might be Isaac's father.
My files show Ann & Joseph as having four sons - Samuel, Joseph, William and Alfred, but haven't followed the line any further. If there is anything you would be willing to share, I can swap for my line!
I also realise that I didn't answer Sarah's question about where Isaac was in 1841. Details are:
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Rob/Sarah,
Just had to join in this thread because I am also descended from William Henton and Sarah Higgs :)
My connection is through their daughter Ann that married Joseph Barnes in Kingsbury Warks on 12 October 1865. I'm not sure that I can sort out the 2 Williams but mine seems to have been a labourer.
Rob, I have a copy the younger William's birth certificate, he was born on 5th December 1850 and this confirms that his mother's maiden name was Higgs.
I have not gone back much further with this line but would be happy to help if I can ;)
Pinetree
Hi Pinetree
We're becoming quite a merry little band - let's hope together we can sort these Hentons out!
I found this website when I was scouring the internet one day
www.mdlp.co.uk/resources/Sibson/index.htm
There's nothing there as yet but it says that history and burial information is coming soon - so this might help us in due course.
Regards
Sarah
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So Rob, you think your William is the son of Isaac and Ann too? I suppose that as your William was married in 1837 there is no marriage certificate for him. This is getting very intriguing ???
As Sibson is such a small village the two Williams are connected - I'm going to check out numbers of Hentons in the 1841 and 51 census and see if that reveals any clues and get back to you.
Sarah
Rob/Sarah,
Thanks once again to Mike's generous help I think we have cracked which William HENTON (of those both bap. on 21 May 1816) is which.
Mike looked up the marriage of William HENTON and Sarah HIGGS that took place in Sibson on 16 October 1837. William's father was William HENTON Tailor which makes mine and Rob's William son of William HENTON and Elizabeth WHITEHEAD and Sarah99's the son of Issac HENTON and Ann GADSBY.
Also gives Sarah HIGGS's father as John HIGGS so looks like we are on the rights lines there too, Rob.
Let me know what you think.
Pinetree
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Hi Pinetree
I'm glad we got that sorted thanks to Mike and you. I'm still of the view that the two Williams baptised on the same day are related in some way? Possibly cousins - ie William snr and Isaac brothers?
Thanks for the information
Kind regards
Sarah
PS Is it Mike from Leicester that helped - he recently was a great help with my William's wife's family too!
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Sarah,
It was indeed Mike from Leicester that looked up the marriage :-*
I think William snr and Issac were possibly brothers parents Richard HENTON and Susannah PEARSON that married in Sibson on 12 Oct 1777. Unfortunately Issac's bap. is not on IGI so it's a bit of guess work where he is concerned.
I have tried to piece together all the Sibson HENTONs from IGI and the other bits and pieces we have. It's too big to post here but I'll try and send it by PM so you can see what you think.
Pinetree
P.S. I amended my last message slightly to clarify who was who just in case some poor soul tries to follow this thread in the future :o
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Good news, many thanks for the digging on this one! :)
On IGI, Richard HENTON, son of Isaac HENTON, had a brother named Isaac bap Bef. 29 Dec 1748 but I've not found any marriage/children for him.
Speculating, it is possible that he may have been the father of the Isaac who married Ann GADSBY. ???
<edit> Also on IGI is a marriage of Isaac HINTON and Elizabeth PAGET in Kingsbury, Warks on 08 Jul 1771. So far, I've found that they had one child named Isaac bap 01 May 1774, Bur Jun 1776.
It is feasible that this may have been 'our' Isaac - Kingsbury is only 15 miles from Sibson.
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Hello pinetree,
I to am descended through Joseph Barnes and Ann Henton. Their daughter - Sarah Ada married my great-grandfather Samuel Swindell, and have been investigating the Henton line.
I'd be interested to find out your connection.
Glen45
Rob/Sarah,
Just had to join in this thread because I am also descended from William Henton and Sarah Higgs :)
My connection is through their daughter Ann that married Joseph Barnes in Kingsbury Warks on 12 October 1865. I'm not sure that I can sort out the 2 Williams but mine seems to have been a labourer.
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Hello Glen,
Welcome to Rootschat.
Thank you for your message.
Sarah's brother Samuel was my Gr Grandfather. He married Susanna HATTON in 1884 in Fazeley. From the information I have gathered on the BARNES family I think Samuel was the eldest of Joseph and Ann's children and Sarah the youngest.
I don't think I have made much progress with the HENTON line in recent years. I would be happy to share what I have. I will try sending you my e-mail by personal message.
All the best,
Pinetree
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Hello again Geln.
I don't think I can send you a PM until you have at least three posts on Rootschat.
Pinetree
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Hello Pinetree,
Thankyou I have received your PM.
You are correct, Samuel was the eldest of Joseph and Ann's 9 children, and my g-grandma Sarah, the youngest. I have followed the line back a few more generations, but seem to get stuck at an Issac Henton. I cannot find any references to him at all.
So far I have
Ancestry Chart of Ann Henton
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+--- 5-Issac Hinton,b.Abt 1730,
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+--+ 4-Richard Hinton,b.Abt 1757
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| +--- 5-Elizabeth ?,
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+--+ 3-William Henton,b.Abt 1788,d.Oct-Dec 1870
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| +--- 4-Susannah Pearson,
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+--+ 2-William Henton,b.Abt 1816,
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| +--- 3-Elizabeth Whitehead,b.Cir 1788,
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--+ 1-Ann Henton,b.1840-1841,d.Apr-Jun 1903
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| +--- 3-John Higgs,
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+--+ 2-Sarah Higgs,b.Abt 1816,
but I cannot find positive references to Issac, either by christening or marriage.
The Hentons are my current line of enquiry, so I will keep you updated with any news I have.
best wishes
Glen
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Hi Glen,
Your Henton tree seems to fit with what I have so far.
On my PM I made an error in my e-mail address and when I tried to send you another with the correction it would not send. Anyway glad you got the first one. If you did want to e-mail me there should be an a between the second t and the b of the address I sent you. Hope that makes sense.
Pinetree