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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: asilky on Friday 15 January 10 23:24 GMT (UK)
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Hi
would anyone know how and where to search for a convict who is not on the archives website
I want to know where boys were sent in their first years when very young
I am going to Tassie and would like to hear from others that have done this
thanks Silky
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Hi Silky.
If you subscribe to the Aus/Tas mailing list there are many talented people on there that will help you.
I`m not one of the talented ones sorry ;D
You should be able to get your answer from one of them.
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~austashs/home/maillist.htm
Johngirl
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Hi Silky,
What is the convicts name?
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Hi Silky
Not sure if any records exist but here is some detail regarding young convicts to Tasmania.
During the years of 1835 the first ever juvenile prison was establised. 3000 youths between 1835 and 1849 between the ages of 9 and 18 were sent to Point Peur in the hope of reforming them away from adult influences. Here they received basic training in trades to make them into useful citizens when they were freed. This is near Port Arthur and conducted tours are available when you visit us down here.
I will keep searching but perhaps somebody else can come up with a source for Point Peur records, maybe even the Tasmanian Archives.
Tom
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What is the source of the information you have that identifies him as a convict in Tasmania.
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Hi Silky
I have just located a list of boys who were transported to Tasmania and held from 1884-1896 at the Female Factory, South Hobart which is where the female convicts were held.
Here is the link
http://www.femalefactory.com.au/
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Hello,
I suspect that these are boys who committed offences in Tasmania, rather than convicts transported. By 1884 transportation had long ceased in Tasmania. You could search the NLA beta newspaper for the name you have found among the juveniles list.
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hi all
thanks but my convict arrived 1834.
silky
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So, you now have the deatils you need & no longer need assistance with your convict?
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Hello Silky,
Have the got the answer to your question?. If not, can you clarify the connection between your convict who arrived in 1834, and juvenile offenders in a reformatory between 1884 and 1896. If you are still looking for your convict, can you give some details about him please?.
Cheers
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Hi Silky
I have a couple of books with regard to children in the Queens Orphanage - this book would be in the right time frame.
The other Index's that I have are later unfortunately. I also have Unamed Irish Boys on convict ships, but again the time frame is a little later.
If you would like me to do a look up for you, just let me know.
Cheers
Webby
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Sorry, forgot to add that some boys were sent to Point Puer (which is near Port Arthur - not sure as to the time frame). Perhaps someone on the list may know something more.
Webby
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Hello Silky,
I can see that the reformatory list of boys was not relevant but can you tell me how you know that your convict arrived in 1834 if there are no records for him. This might be a point to start from - work backwards from the information that you have. What is his name and do you have an age also?
Wivenhoe
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Hi all
I have his convict records from 1836 but he arrived in 1834 I would like to know where he was 1834/1836
and it looks like it would be point puer
I would like to thank you all for your help
silky
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Hello Silky
What details do you have for him - name, age etc please.
Wivenhoe
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hi,
first visit as new member so not sure of way round the site yet, it takes quite abit of getting used to! Have noted from past replies that Herbert Greaves was your Great Aunts son and that you had correspondance regarding Otho Desse Greaves. I have been tracing my husbands family history, he was brought up by his grandmother born Sarah Isaac who was the younger sister of Rhoda A Isaac who went on to marry Otho and their son was Herbert A Greaves born in 1897. I believe he possibly went on to marry Helena McCann in 1923.
Does this ring any bells with you? We have had so little information to go on but I did see you had corresponded with Rhonda on the Liverpool Forum and this is where the Tasmania connection comes in.
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Hello Whinery.
First I will have to oppoligise to silky for barging in on her thread. Please forgive us silky. :-[ This is a break through for me in my Isaac line in my research. Very very important so please bare with us until Whinery has enough posts so we can PM each other.[you need three post so we can Personal message each other :)]
Yes Whinery I have all those details and have the Isaac tree way back to 1520. I would love to be able to correspond with you. Rhoda Alberta Isaac and Sarah Isaac was my grandfathers sisters his name was Herbert Henry Isaac born in 1874 at Toxteth Park Liverpool.
Rhoda Alberta Isaac had six siblings.
George Alfred
Herbert Henry [my grandfather]
Ruth
Sarah Jane
Hannah
John Ernest [died aged one year]
Their parents were Albert and Mary [nee Allen]
Albert was born Badminton Gloucestershire and Mary was born Galway Ireland.
I have many details on this family.
I have many certificates for the Isaac family from England.
Sarah Jane Isaac [one of my brick walls]I have no details on but I think she married a William Donvin? I`m so desperate to find more information on Sarah Jane Isaac.
Ruth died without marrying and is buried with her mother and father in Toxteth Park Cemetery. I have a photo of where the grave is.
My grandfather Herbert Isaac emmigrated to Tasmania in between the years 1891 and 1896. We can`t find any shipping details for him but were told he jumped ship.He died here in 1943 and is buried in the Cornelian Bay Cemetery here in Hobart Tasmania. Herbert my grandfather married Alice Henrietta Snow .There are many Isaac descendants living in Tasmania. ;D
P.S I am the Rhonda from the Liverpool forums ;D
I was named after my G Aunt Rhoda but they added an N. ;D
Please reply so we can correspond Whinery.Just two more post and we can P.M each other. :)
Regards Johngirl {Rhonda Isaac}
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Hi Johngirl,
Many thanks for your reply, it was wonderful to hear from you with all your information and to know that despite all the miles between us here in the UK and you in Tasmania we may have a common link.
Still not too sure of finding my way round this site but so far we seem to have received each others messages. I am not too much of a computer buff and have'nt found it too easy to navigate my way around this website as of yet. No doubt everyone reading this will be laughing to themselves and wondering what planet I am on!
I don't wish to be a kill joy but I am not convinced thoroughly that we are the right track with our family searches, although there are too many names that do match in some areas that I feel there is a connection. My husband John is 78 and his parents were Eleanor Ethel Burton and William Leslie Burton, hence his name John Leslie Whinery Burton. Eleanor Ethel was the daughter of Sarah Isaac who we believe married three times. Sarahs parents are listed as Albert Isaac born in 1842 in Badminton, Gloucester and who was a Joiner and Mary Allen born in Ireland. They were married in Liverpool in 1869. In the 1891 Census they are shown as living in Arthur Street in Liverpool with a son Herbert 16, daughter Rhoda 14 and Ruth 9. Sarah would have been 12 but she had been given a middle name of Ann on her birth certificate. In the 1901 census Rhoda, Sarah's sister is shown as being married with a son age 4 Herbert A Greaves which is the gentleman who we think emigrates to Tasmania, hence the link. Is this fitting into place with you or not? There seems to be alot of details which match however had'nt come across the name George Alfred Isaac at all.
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Hello Whinery,
So glad you have been in contact with me.
Don`t worry I`m also not good with a computer. ;D
You are from the same planet as me. ;D
We have certainly got the same family. My cousin came up with the name Sarah Jane Isaac but it could have been Sarah Ann Isaac .It could have been mistranscribed somewhere along the line as Jane and he had to find it. ;D
The Herbert Albert Greaves who you think emmigrated to Tasmania is Rhoda Alberta Isaac`s son. Rhoda[sister of Sarah your husbands grandmother] and Sarah had a brother called Herbert Henry Isaac born in June in 1874 at Toxteth Park. Herbert Henry Isaac is my Grandfather he is the one that emmigrated to Tasmania not Rhoda Greaves son Herbert Albert Greaves.
I have the birth certificate of my Grandfather Herbert Henry Isaac and it says that his parents were Albert and Mary Isaac[nee Allen]Also on his marraige certificate it states that his parents were Albert Isaac and Mary Isaac[nee Allen]
In the 1881 census the family are living at 21 Arthur Street Toxteth Park Liverpool
Albert Isaac: father born Badminton Gloucestershire aged 39
Mary Isaac: mother born Galway Ireland aged 36
George A Isaac: son aged 10
Herbert Henry Isaac : son aged 6 [my grandfather ;D]
Rhoda A Isaac: daughter aged 4
Sarah Isaac : daughter aged 2 [your husbands grandmother]
Hannah Isaac: daughter aged 7 months
Margaret Allen servant born Galway Ireland who we believe is the younger sister of Mary.
All the children are stated born Liverpool
You have the details for the 1891 census :)
You will see that George is not with them either is Hannah as she died aged four and is buried at the Toxteth Park Cemetery.
Ruth died 12th March 1904 aged 20 years a spinster and is buried at the Toxteth Park Cemetery.
Mary Isaac died 18th January 1904 aged 58 years and was living at 21 Arthur Street Toxteth Park.Mary is buried at Toxteth Park Cemetery also.
Albert Isaac died 27th March 1911 aged 69 years and was living at 33 Bessemer Street Toxteth Park. He is also buried at Toxteth Park Cemetery.
Mary,Ruth Albert are all buried together.
By 1901 my grandfather Herbert Henry Isaac was living in Tasmania and had married my grandmother.They had by this stage had three children ;D
My grandfather married here in Tasmania in September 1896.
Sorry if I have repeated myself on some things. ;D
We certainly have a connection here Whinery ;D
I hope I have now convinced you that your husbands grandmother Sarah Isaac and my grandfather Herbert Isaac were brother and sister. ;D
I do have many details on this family which I would love to share with you.
Your husbands grandmother Sarah Isaac is the one we have been finding hard to trace but as you said you think she married three times so its no wonder we could not trace her after the 1891 census. ;D
George A Isaac the brother to Sarah and Herbert vanished after the 1881 census and we have not been able to find hide nor hair of him. :-\
John Ernest Isaac was born in 1872 but had died by 1873 thats why he is in no census living with Albert and Mary.
George and John Isaac were both born in West Derby.
Rhoda Alberta Greaves was living with her parents in 1901 with her son Herbert Albert Greaves as her husband Otho Greaves was a Master Mariner and travelled by ship from Liverpool to Nigeria on many journeys over the years. Rhoda I found often went with her husband Otho on these Journeys.
Rhoda also had a son Frank.
Does this all now make some sense to you Whinery. ;D
I did send you a personal message that has my email address for you.
Go to the top of the page and you will find written that you have 1 message .Thats from me. Click onto that and it will take you to my message.
Please do not leave your email address on a post as the mods don`t like you to do that in case you get spammed. ;D
Can`t wait to hear from you Whinery as I have so much information waiting for you. You can also let me know what happened to our Sarah Isaac one of my brickwalls. ;D
Regards Johngirl [Rhonda.]
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just quick note to say ancesty.com till 31 jan has free convict search for aus day so lets hope you are on line so you can search before it ends.good luck
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HI TOM
I am going to Tassie and will lookup all you have given me.
no worries about the ones who came on to the thread.
If i find my convict will put him on rootschat.
sliky
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Thanks Silky.
I have found my G Aunt Sarah Isaac thanks to your thread. ;D
Hope you find what your looking for.
Johngirl
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Hi Re Sarah Isaac she married my grandfather in Toxteth; William Donvin. They had one son together. I am not of her bloodline though. But am interested to know more of her, what was her occupation and whether they divorced.
Cheers Clovissa
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Hi Clovissa,
Welcome to rootschat.
My Sarah Isaac I have found did not marry William Donvin as I thought previously in this thread.I never purchased the marraige certificate for this William Donvin and Sarah Isaac like I should have to find out if it was my G Aunt Sarah Isaac.I have now found out that my G Aunt Sarah married three times but not at any stage did she marry a William Donvin.My G Aunt Sarah was born in Toxteth Park as did most of her siblings. I just assumed that it was my Sarah Isaac that married William Donvin as they were married in Toxteth Park. [Not something that you should do in family history is assume something :-[ ]I did find though that William Donvin`s parents are buried at the Toxteth Park Cemetery.
If you start a thread on the Lancashire board asking for details on your William Donvin and Sarah Isaac someone may be able to help you find the information you are after.
I will give you a link to the Lancashire board Clovissa.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/board,21.0.html
Just click onto new topic and ask away. Good luck. :)
Johngirl
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Hi Johngirl
I have a lot of VERY interesting information for you about Capt. Otho Greaves. Trust me, you're not going to believe this! I was doing a random search for his name today and pulled up your blog on this site, promptly registered and certainly hope that you will see this message. PLEASE CONTACT ME ASAP.
Archergirl
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Hi Archer girl.
I would love the information on Otho Desse Greaves please.
Johngirl
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Hiarchergirl,
My G Aunt Rhoda Alberta Isaac was married to Otho Desse Greaves. I have a bit of information on Otho and Rhoda and do know they had a son Herbert who was born in 1896 at Toxteth Park in Liverpool. I have been trying to find more information on them. I know Otho was a ships captain and that Rhoda often went on vogages with him. Otho was born in the West Indies and his fathers name was Anthony Desse Greaves as I have their marraige certificate.Otho mainly travelled to Nigeria as far as I can tell.
Rhoda Alberta Isaac was my Grandfather`s sister. My Grandfather was Herbert Henry Isaac who emmigrated to Tasmania.
Johngirl.
Johngirl
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We need to connect by email about this, as I have so much to share.
Otho Desse Greaves was born in Barbados, the West Indies. He left the island when he was only 18 to "go to sea" and never returned. However, he and his wife always kept in touch with the Barbados family.
I am a part of that Barbados family! How's that for starters?
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Archergirl,
I have been trying for ages to find information on Otho and Rhoda but could never seem to get anywhere with information from Barbados. My Grandfather was Otho`s wife`s sister.Rhoda was born in Toxteth Park Liverpool and her parents were Albert and Mary Isaac(nee Allen).
I have sent you a personal message in which I have given you my email address.
I live in Tasmania Australia.
I would love to share information with you.
Johngirl