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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Westmorland => England => Westmorland Lookup Requests => Topic started by: zeehan on Friday 15 January 10 07:02 GMT (UK)
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Hi - could you please look up for a marriage between John Hornby (b. 1867) and Mary Jane Bainbridge (b. 1869).
John was the son of Simon Bryham Hornby. Mary Jane was the daughter of Joseph Bainbridge. Also, exact birthdates for each would be helpful. Thanks.
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Have you got them on any censuses either before or after marriage, to narrow down when marriage might have taken place?
If so have you than looked on FreeBMD for it?
Have you lookd on FreeBMD for their births?
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Hi - this is John's 1881 census detail:
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1881 Census (UK):
John HORNBY Household
Male
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Other Information:
Birth Year <1867>
Birthplace Meeclop, Westmorland, England
Age 14
Occupation Stoker (Iron Mines)
Marital Status
Head of Household Simon Brian HORNBY
Relation Son
Disability
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Source Information:
Dwelling 44 Broughton Road
Census Place Dalton In Furness, Lancashire, England
Family History Library Film 1342023
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 4281 / 58
Page Number 69
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Just a little warning - that looks like it has been copied and pasted from a census index. We are not allowed to do that due to copyright issues!
If you look at the actual image you will find out all who were in the household too!
Have you tried freeBMD for the births and marriage?
How do you know they married each other?
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The information is from the free transcript given by the Church of Latter Day Saints which is the public domain. I have not looked at the image, don't know where to find freeBMD and yes I know for sure they were married ;)
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Sorry to continue with questions, but you seem to know quite a lot about these two -
what is the source of this info?
FreeBMD is a free resource of the index to marriages, from the General Record Offices indexes.
I cant remeber the exact website address, but you can easily find it via google, or better stil via the links on the beginers board on here.
You wont get and exact date of birth from that, you will need to purchase the birth certificates for that, but you will narrow it down to the quarter in which the birth was registered.
Hopefully you will see the marriage there too, but that will be a lot easier to spot if you know approx when it took place, hence my questions about the censuses!
So, you have a 14 yr old John Hornby in 1881. But in order to be sure that this person at some time marries a Mary Jan Bainbridge, you must have some more info, or else it is a very big straw you are clutching! Did John and MAry have children? Is that where you are coming from? If so who are they - perhaps we can find them on a later census with John and Mary? But then that wouldnt give you John's father .... would need marriage cert for that, which then may or may not lead to this 1881 entry.
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this looks like them in 1891 - so they are married with a 3 yr old by then
1891
RG12 3479 88 27
11A Gibraltar, Dalton
John Hornby 24 Iron Miner bn Westmorland Milnthorpe
Mary J 23 bn Lancs Coniston
Grace 3 bn Lancs Dalton
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So here is the marriage by the look of it
Marriage
Jan/Feb/Mar 1888
Ulverston 8e 1023
John Hornby / MAry Jane Bainbridge
only 2 on the page, hopefully thry married each other, but you cant rule out that his bride and her groom are not there due to mistranscription.
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Hi and welcome to rootschat
I am afraid that lizdb is right and you are contravening copyright of the LDS site by cutting and pasting. Any transcript is the copyright of the person/firm who did it and the only way you can reproduce it is to retype it in your own words.
www.freebmd.org.uk is a very useful site for us. When you find the entry you want you can order the appropriate certificate from the GRO via the link on the site or direct from http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/
Regards
Andrea
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Thanks Andrea for confirming.
If the marriage cert does confirm that John's dad is Simon Brian , then the 1881 census finding you have looks good.
I quite like the look of it, as the Mum of the John there is called Grace, and your John calls his daughter Grace. But that is not proof! You will need the cert.
If that turns out to be the right family then they are at
Rg10 4242 131 13 in 1871, but I wont post the details yet until we are sure this is the right line.
John pob varies from 1891 (Milnthorpe), the possible 1881 (Meeclop?) and possible 1871 (Bentham) so it is not all conclusive without the marriage cert.
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Meeclop could be Meathop, which is the other side of the Kent estuary. I´m not able to check right now, but Milnthorpe and Meathop may have been in the same parish at some point - Beetham or Heversham.