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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Wiltshire => Topic started by: jenny53 on Friday 15 January 10 06:37 GMT (UK)
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hi trying to find Death of
JOB PETERS D.OB MARCH 1860 BURBAGE..
married FANNY JONES Lymington 1894.
last known living in tents FARLIEGH WALLOPS HANTS.
He was a Sweep so moved around a lot between wilts/hants
many thanks
jeeny
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Hello Jenny my name is Diane and I believe that Job Peters is my great great grandfather.
Job & Fanny had a daughter called Susan or Susanah she keeps coming up with different names. Susan was my great grandmother she married Henry Black... One of their children was my nan Violet Black she married Henry Smith they had two children , my father and his brother.
I was wondering if you had anymore information on any of them.
I know the Black side and Smith side of the family are travellers so I'm assuming the Peters are as well from what my dad has said. Kind Regards Diane
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Hello Diane and welcome to RootsChat.
jenny53 hasn't been on-line since August 2018, however hopefully she still has the same email address and will receive notification of your post. :)
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You possibly have this already, a newspaper item mentioning a Job PETERS at Lyndhurst in 1887, not that far from Lymington.
"LYNDHURST PETTY SESSIONS ...
DAMAGE TO TREES.- Job Peters and George Lakey, gipsies, were summoned for willfully damaging trees at Minesteed, on the12th ultimo. by chopping off branches, to which they pleaded gulity, saying they thought there was no harm in chopping off a little dead wood, but would take care they did not appear again. - The damage was estimated at 6d, and the value of the wood at 1d. - The defendants were ordered to pay the damage. a fine of 5s and 5s 5d costs. - Lakey did not pay the money, and was committed for fourteen days with hard labour. ..."
Saturday, Mar. 12, 1887, Southampton Herald
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Hi thankyou for that newspaper clipping its great seeing and learning things about long gone relastions. Are you related to Job Peters? Ive only just starting looking into my family tree properly the last few days so haven't found much at the moment. I was told that a couple of Jobs and Fanny's children ended up in a institute do you know anything about that?
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Hi Diane
Very few people who reply to posts are related to the people asking for help or information.
However, historical posts are never deleted and friends and relatives generally find there way here through internet search engines.
As maddys52 mentions, as long as the email address hasn't changed since 2018, jenny53 will receive a notification that you have posted.
Fingers crossed.
Dawn
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Hello Diane, as Dawn says, no I'm not related to Job PETERS, just happy to help look for him!
If you let us know what information you already have and what you may be looking for, we're more than happy to search. :)
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Hello Maddy thankyou so much for getting back to me. I dont really know much yet. Im very intrigued by what Jenny said about there being a dark past within the family as my dad said that is grandmother Susan who was one of Job's daughter didnt talk much about the family and from what he has said none of my family met them. I know Job came from Burbage in Wiltshire I haven't found much on Fanny. Im surprised by how much there is on other gypsy families as I was always led to belive that they didn't register much due to moving about alot and being very secretive. Anything you could find out for me would be great. Im on ancestry but seem to keep coming up against a brickwall
Many thanks Diane
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Just to make sure I'm looking at the right family, I'm assuming this is Job's daughter Susan:
Susan Diana PETERS birth reg Sept qtr 1896 Alton (2c/180) and baptised at Bramshaw on 9 April 1897.
She is with parents Job and Fanny and family in tents at Farleigh Wallop in 1901 census:
RG13/1111 pg18
I can't readily see the family in 1911.
As Jenny said, Job married Fanny JONES in Mar qtr 1894 at Lymington (2b/987).
If Jenny is correct then Job's birth was registered Mar qtr 1860 at Pewsey (5a/178) with mother's maiden name BULL. He was baptised at Burbage on 16 Mar 1860, parents Thomas (sweep) and Kezia.
They are in North Lopham, Hampshire in 1861 (Hard to make out where Thomas is from, somewhere in Hampshire; Kezia/Ann is from Dean, Hampshire):
Thomas PETERS 26 (chimney sweep)
Ann PETERS 19
Job PETERS 1
RG9/687 pg94
I can't readily see a marriage for Thomas PETERS and Kezia/Ann BULL (or similar), will keep looking ...
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Hi,
The GRO index shows a death registration for Job Peters M1946 New Forest 02B page 1314 but the age given is 80 whereas Job would have been 88, so not sure if this is the correct one.
Also there is a death registration for Fanny Annie Peters D1904 Swindon 05A page 18. Her age is given as 33 so born circa 1871.
PtE
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Correction :- Job would have been 86 in 1946.
PtE
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They are in North Lopham, Hampshire in 1861 (Hard to make out where Thomas is from, somewhere in Hampshire; Kezia/Ann is from Dean, Hampshire):
Thomas PETERS 26 (chimney sweep)
Ann PETERS 19
Job PETERS 1
RG9/687 pg94
They are in Nether Wallop, Hampshire in 1861 RG9/687 Folio 94 Page 21. Top of page says List of persons not in houses
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You're absolutely correct Rosie. I don't know why, Ancestry has the image under "1861 census, Hampshire, North Lopham, All, District 7", which is what I looked at on the computer screen rather than the actual image. :-[ ???
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Also there is a death registration for Fanny Annie Peters D1904 Swindon 05A page 18. Her age is given as 33 so born circa 1871.
The 1901 census has her age as 45, so born c1856.
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Looking at the children on the 1901 census, I think these are their birth registrations:
Esther JONES Mar qtr 1875 Kingsclere (2c/224)
(bap 19 Nov 1876 at Baughurst, mother: Fanny JONES)
Ellen JONES Jun qtr 1881 Basingstoke (2c/189)
(bap 4 Dec 1881 at Basingstoke, mother: Fanny JONES, as "Helen JONES")
Job Walter PETERS Sep qtr Stockbridge (2c/95) mmn JONES - not sure about this, but it seems the best fit?
Kezia PETERS Jun qtr 1890 Alton (2c/150) mmn JONES
(bap 21 Sept 1890 at Bentley, father: Job, mother: Frances)
Susan Diana PETERS Sep qtr 1896 Alton (2c/180) mmn JONES
There may be other children, but having trouble finding the family on other census records.
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Hi Mardy ive been looking into the Peters side of my family again and I spoke to my aunty who seems to think that they went to Hampshire from Wales..... I haven't found any link to Wales do you know anything about it?
I found a Thomas Peters who was baptised at Leckford Hampshire in 1831 who was married to Kezziah/ Kevin Bull and his mother was called Lucy i don't have a surname for her.
Any help would be greatly appreciated
Diane
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Hello Diane,
I can't readily see any Welsh connection, though it is certainly a difficult family to find.
There are a number of trees on Ancestry which have Thomas's mother as Lucy and the baptism you suggest, but they have no more sources for this claim than the 1861 census and the baptism. Whilst the 1861 census does have Thomas's place of birth as Hampshire, I can't make out the place, it is not Leckford, others may know what/where it is?
If his mother was Lucy PETERS, this looks like her in the 1861 at Burbage, Wiltshire:
Lucy PETERS 48 K.N (not sure what this place of birth is supposed to be - "unkonwn"?)
Edward 22 Wilts K.N.
Matilda HUGHES 60 K.N.
Ellen 12 Berks K.N
Ann 11
Mary A 12
William 4
RG9/1309/ 32 pg23
and in 1871 at Burbage:
Edward PETERS 34 Burbage (servant)
George 32
Lucy 60 not known
Caroline WHITTACK [?] 20
Nehemiah COOPER 2m
RG10/1941/62 pg29
I can't find a birth registration for Edward or George in Wiltshire.
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Morning Diane
I'm Jenny53 but I can't get online using the name
Hence new ac.
Job was a relation I've got a few bit more on him now.
Been away from Roots chat for quite awhile but now getting back into it
Jenny
Have PM you
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Hi Jenny
Its good to hear back from you. Ive been the same I stayed away from looking into it all as I got a bit overwhelmed. I was trying to look into to many families at the same time 🙂.
Everything ive seen seems to point to the family being in Burbage which is interesting as thats where my family all ended up. I still have an uncle and aunty living there. Looking into the Black's who Susan married into they were around Hampshire, Berkshire, Oxfordshire and Wiltshire. The Peters intrigue me as I don't know alot about them ive been told that they could appear in books that have been done on chimney sweeps but its knowing which books.
I look forward to hearing more from you
Diane xx
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Hello
The Peters are in the book of Hampshire chimney sweep
Yet I've not found it yet
Mine are from Burbage as well but ended up in Whitchurch Hampshire
They continue to sweep chimney until my Grandfather not sure when he stopped doing it
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Hi
Thats great thankyou I will keep a look out for the book. Do you mind me asking what your grandfather was called?
Kind regards Diane
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Evening
Okay this became trick
Fredrick George Peters DOB. 1898 Dec 1/4
Married Dec 24
Edith Goddard aged 21. hubby 19
This is the only wedding for my grandmother
I New my grandfather as Josphe
Hence not sure he was the Fredrick George
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Hi
I get where you are coming from as people my dad has told me about didn't go by their birth names which makes all this even harder
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Morning Diane
Job Peters is in St Mary’s Church Lover but there no grave stone .The graves unmarked
I’m away until the 14 th nov but once back maybe we could meet up for a coffee
Jenny
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Morning Jenny
Thats a shame about the stone. I would still like to have a look down at the church as in a strange way it's going where relatives went doe's that make sense? 🙂.
A coffee sounds great give me a shout when you are back.
Take care Diane