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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Northumberland => Topic started by: DJH on Thursday 14 January 10 10:14 GMT (UK)
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Hello,
I am looking for anyone who can help me fill out my family tree of Kennedys.
My Great Grandfather was WILLIAM KENNEDY(2) who was born in about 1859 at Woodhouse or Morpeth.
His father was WILLIAM KENNEDY(1) who was born in 1824 at Stamfordham and he married SARAH FORSTER who was born in 1830 at Newbiggin.
My Great Grandfather, William(2), married JANE ANDERSON who was born in 1864 at Newcastle upon Tyne and they had children : Sarah Jane 1889 at Dunston, William born Hexham, George and possibly two other daughters.
William(1) and Sarah had children: Mary 1854 born Woodhouse, Thomas 1856 Woodhouse/North Seaton, My William, Robert 1861 Morpeth, John 1852 Morpeth, George 1869 Morpeth and Sarah 1874.
That is all I know. CAN ANYONE HELP?
Thank you,
David
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Hi
1861 census RG9 3871 36 41 Oldgate Street Morpeth
William Kennedy 31 Coachman b Stamfordham
Sarah 31 b Woodhorn
Mary 7 b "
Thomas 5 b "
William 2 b Morpeth
Robert 3 months b Morpeth
Does this sound right?
Andrea
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In 1871 William appears to be with his maternal grandmother
RG10 5163 36 13 Market Place Turlks Gead Yard Morpeth
Mary Forster 70 b Northumberland
William gson 13 b "
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William and Sarah have a younger child, George aged 2 and another son John age 19 with them in 1871. Mary is not there. In service perhaps?
RG10 5163 23 39
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1901 RG13 4825 141 29 22 Whitiss Hill Haydon
William 40 Foreman market gardener b Morpeth
Jane 36 b Newcastle
Sarah 12
Dossie? dau 10
Flossie 6
George 5 all b Dunston
Harry 2
William 2 b Haydon
We can't do look ups in 1911 for copyright reasons but the index is free to search so you can find them there yourself.
1911 census tips http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,355239.0.html
Andrea
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Wow,
Thank you for your wonderful information sillgen, I am impressed and grateful. ;)
I will look into the 1911 Census to come up to date so to speak. However, I don't know how to go back further from 1941 Census? That is where I am really stuck now.
David
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There's a possible marriage for William and Sarah:
Marriages Sep 1851
FORSTER Sarah Newcastle T 25 327
Kennedy William Newcastle T 25 327
Why don't you get the marriage certificate then you'll at least have the name of William's father.
Also you could go through the Stamfordham BDT's to see if you can see any Kennedy's - 1824 is missing unfortunately but you could look through the earlier pages, from about page 226ish.
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The Newbiggin transcripts also have Sarah Forster daughter of John & Mary of Newbiggin, baptised on 7th November 1830. He was a brewer.
The IGI also have submitted records which could be checked through the Bish Durham Transcripts of siblings for Sarah:
Mary, chr 12/2/1826 Woodhorn
William, chr 10/2/1828 Woodhorn
Isabella, chr 16/9/1832 Newbiggin
John, chr 20/7/1834 Newbiggin
Mary, chr 23/4/1837 Newbiggin
Jane, chr 14/7/1839 Newbiggin
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However, I don't know how to go back further from 1941 Census? That is where I am really stuck now.
David
Parish registers are the answer to pre 1837 research and TracyW has found some for you. If you live near an LDS family history centre (listed on www.familysearch.org) then you can get the film of most parishes to look at there. The IGI on the same site is a good starting point for that era too but it is not full coverage and you have to be very wary of member submitted records which maybe just guesswork. Extracted records are usually OK but looking at the original is best. Have a look at the tips on the Beginners' Board for other hints.
Andrea
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I have found the first child Mary on the Woodhorn Transcripts so the others are probably there as well.
http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=waypoint;s=waypointsOnly;c=1309819;w=0
It's on page 153:
chr 12/2/1826 Mary daur of John & Mary Forster, abode = Newbiggin brewery, trade= Drayman
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Thank you so much Tracy and sillgen for the wonderful information you have given me. I shall now go painstakingly (that means very slowly in my case!!!) through all you have suggested to try and make connections. I am so grateful for your input. I am sure I shall call on your help again in the future.
Best wishes,
David
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Woodhorn burial:
Mary Forster, 28 Dec 1832, age 7, abode Newbiggin
Janis
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Thanks Janis,
That would explain why Mary doesn't appear on any later documents. I am still struggling to find out more about William's father THOMAS KENNEDY who appears on his marriage certificate.
DAVID
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Hello David
Could you post up everything that is on the marriage certificate - including names and occupations of both fathers and the names of the witnesses - is Thomas listed as being deceased?
Thanks
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Hi Tracy,
William married Sarah on 26th August 1851 at St John's, Newcastle upon Tyne. She was a spinster of the parish of Woodham as was William. His work was "Groom" and his father was Thomas Kennedy, Labourer. Their witnesses were William Forster, her brother and Jane Ann McKay. Her father, John was a Brewer.
David
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1851 census, North Seaton Hall:
William Kennedy, Servant, Unm, 26, Second Coachman, b. Stamfordham.
A few lines further down in the same household :
Sarah Forster, Servant, Unm, 21, Kitchen Maid, b. Newbiggin.
HO107/2418/471/15
There is a Kennedy family in Stamfordham in 1841, headed by a Thomas Kennedy, but no William present.
1841 Stamfordham,
Thomas Kennady, 50, Huntsman, Y,
Mary, 45, Y
Jane, 25, Y
John 20, Mason, Y
Hannah, 11, Y
Isabel, 7, Y
Thomas, 5, Y
George, 3, Y
John, 1m, Y
HO107/842/10/8/11
Alan.
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Hello Wolfie,
Now that is helpful and the 'odd' spelling of the name may be the reason I couldn't find it! I think William was by then living with his Grandmother Forster if I have the right one.
I am sure that is Thomas his father and Mary must be his mother.
NOW I need his father............
Thanks again, :D
David
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Same family, still in Stamfordham, in 1851.
Thomas Kennady, head, 63, Groom, b. Rothbury,
Mary, wife, 53, b. Stamfordham,
John, son, 30, Mason, b. Stamfordham
Thomas, son, 15, b. Stamfordham
George, son, 13, b. Stamfordham
John, grandson, 10, b. Stamfordham
HO107/2413/459/14
Alan.
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Hi Alan,
Thanks again. By this time William was second coachman at North Seaton Hall where he met my Great Grandmother, Sarah Forster who was a kitchen maid.
I am trying to find a way now to trace William's grandfather Thomas back to find out where and when he was born?
David
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We must be related (same great grandfathers) Mary Kennedy vanishes until 1881 where she appears married to Thomas Greaves. Thomas died in Para, Brazil, as did his daughter Sarah who married James Hislop in Para, they died 1900 and 1902 repectively
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There are only a few Thomas Kennedy marriages in Northumberland and only to one Mary--the most likely candidate for father is Thomas Kennedy and marries Mary Swan in Stamfordham 15 Oct 1815
I will see what else I have in my stacks of records
Janis
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Stamfordhan baptisms:
Mary Swan baptised 15 Oct 1797 d/o Robert Swan, Mason, of Stamfordham and his wife Jane
And why it is always a good idea to look for siblings especially if they might be born during the Barrington period: Eleanor Swan 2 Nov 1800 and baptised 30 Nov 1800 2nd daughter of Robert Swan, Mason, of Stamfordham by his wife Jane Atkinson native of Hexham Parish
Burial: Robert Swan, age 38, Mason died 6 Oct 1802, buried 8 Oct 1802
Jane Swan, age 40, widow of Robert Mason, died 6 July 1806, buried 9 July 1806
The only reference I could find to anyone named Kennedy in Rothbury up to 1812 was a burial. I dont have any Catholic records for Rothbury, nothing in the Presbyterian records
Janis
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Marriage register gives Thomas KENNADY of Embleton. I have no further trace. Earlier records seem to use Kennady rather than Kennedy
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I don't think it matters whether Kennedy or Kennady--both are pronounced the same
The 1st daughter Mary Forster was buried in Woodhorn 28 Dec 1832, age 7 of Newbiggin
Janis
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I know
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Hello,
We're researching our Kennedy family from London, Ontario, Canada, which leads us to Northumberland, England.
Hugh Kennedy b. 1791 England, (likely Northumberland) d. 1864 Birr, Middlesex County, Ontario, Canada Buried: St. George's Anglican Cemetery, Middlesex County, Ontario, Canada
Hugh Kennedy immigrated to Canada abt 1820 where he married Mary Dixon the month of March 1820 Richmond Hill, Ontario, Canada (north of Toronto). They went on to have ten children.
The spelling of the surname Kennedy on Hugh's headstone is Kennady. We also see the same spelling of his surname on his Will / Probate.
Our family has always been told that Hugh came from a community in the northern part of Northumberland.
Any leads on his parents and siblings welcomed.
Regards,
Dan Kennedy
London, Ontario
Canada
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Update to Thomas Kennedy.
Having discovered Thomas changes his age every census
1841 = 50
1851 = 63
1861 = 80
I found his death details as SEP 1867 age 82 Castle Ward, (Nbland) and found a LDS match for 1785.
His marriage entry gives Embleton, but this is his residence at the time of marriage and the 1851 census gives Rothbury. The match is for Harbottle Presbyterian Church, Northumberland, within a couple of miles of Rothbury town. See PDF
I have encountered Hugh's name a couple of times by accident, but have no record. Will make notes if I find it again.
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I'm descended from a John Kennedy in Newcastle. He's nothing to do with your Kennedys as far as I know though. Mine was born in Stirling and was in the army for 25 years. He transferred whilst in India from the 59th Foot to the 5th Foot and returned with the regiment to the barracks in newcastle about 1881. Married an Annabella Coffey in 1884 and when he left the army he opened a Fried Fish shop in Walker.
I have a Kennedy mystery though and would appreciate any info you come across that might solve it.
My John Kennedy appears to have a sister, Elizabeth Theresa Kennedy b 25/10/1861, who I know nothing of until she appears in Newcastle, getting baptised at St Mary's Cathedral in 1887 at the age of 25? She's definitely the sister of my John (same parents on the register). My John's mother, a Margaret O'Neil, remarried in 1867 in Glasgow to a John Appleford from the 59th Foot Reg. At the 1871
Census Margaret is in Dublin but no details found re Elizabeth yet. 1881 Census has Margaret living in Woolwich and my GG Gfather John staying the night (on his way back from India I think), but no mention of an Elizabeth Kennedy. I can't find Elizabeth on the 1891 census and can't find any marriage around her baptism (in case she was getting baptised so she could marry a catholic)
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I just posted a photo of my Kennedy relatives circa 1955. Have a peek and see if you recognise any of them. The photo was taken roughly mid 50s somewhere up in Northumberland not all that far away from Whittingham.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=579511.new#new
Philip
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i do not know how far you have got with your search for the kennedy family.
i am the granddaughter of sarah born at 41 oldgate morpeth .i have all my grannys memoirs of her sister mary who died in para .also marys daughter sarah who died when her daughter was 2years old .
i you think this is the same family i would be happy to hear from you.
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Dear Muriel,
Thank you for your information. I am not sure where they fit in without some dates but I can give you some recent (!) ones to see if you recognise any:
William Kennedy (b Morpeth1858-1906) married Jane Anderson (b 1864 N'castle) in 1887. He was a market gardener in Gateshead. They had Sarah Jane (b1889Dunston d1973), Dossie (1891Dunston), Flossie(1895 Dunston), George (1896 Dunston), Harry (1899 Haydon) and William (1899 Haydon) twins.
Do you recognise any of these?
Regards,
David
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Hi thanks for your quick reply. I will get back to you in a couple of days when I have all the dates in front of me . this is the right family, my question is why did mary go to Para? and what did she do.
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Hello David, As i have not done the family tree on my maternal side of the Kennedy family, I do have birth and death dates I have the large travel trunk/chest and photoes etc, they were brought back to England in 1902 by James Hislop. I remember lots of stories told to me by granny and mother about the family. First i would like to know who and wh ;)ere you fit in the Kennedy family? Muriel
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Hello,
William Kennedy was my Grandfather's father. I am also a twin! My father met him in Newcastle (or it might have been Gateshead) He was struck immediately by the similarity to his own father. He did not want to talk about what had been a sensitive time for him and the illegitimate birth of son. However, Sarah was very happy to talk to , and correspond, with my father. We took the family name of Grandad's mother. Grandad was christened John WILLIAM and later added Kennedy to a document when he was asked for his full name, although he never used it in real life.
My main aim has been to try and find out about my Grandmother, about whom we know very little, particularly where she came from. I would have liked to know whether William met her in Shropshire or whether she was in Newcastle when she met him.
Best wishes,
David
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do you have christian name for her? i have a John and Emma @ awilliam and Mary Lots of newspaper cuttings if you have a date for your grandfather birth or death. My great grandfather William and 2 of his sons had market gardens in Dunston .
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william@jane are my great grandparents.garden house cemetery Dunston is were they are burried.
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Yes, your Great Grandparents, William and Jane are the right ones, Market Gardeners at Dunston. Father went there to meet the family (I think I may have the address somewhere in his papers)
Now, what I believe happened is this (although Eliza was known to tell lies and embellish!!!) Eliza Hartshorn was born around 1870 in Shrewsbury. In 1887 she went to the Workhouse at Atcham to give birth to my Grandfather, John Wiliam Hartshorn. She then went to Newcastle to find William Kennedy who was a market gardener, only to find that he had got another girlfriend and, in fact, had just married her. In 1898, John William was placed in the Industrial School, Newcastle and Eliza moved around before moving to Leicestershire. Granddad was given a training in printing and went on to become a printer which was his trade. He also moved, on leaving the Industrial School, down to Leicestershire where he met my Grandmother, Margaret Wood. They had one child, my father Stanley. There was no knowledge of or contact between them and the Kennedys until we started to research our family name. It was only on what Sarah Jane told father AND the remarkable likeness to my Granddad which convinced my father that the Kennedys were indeed our "family". And that is really all I know. If you had any rumours or anecdotes concerning William and Eliza's "goings on" I would love to hear them. Or a photo?
Regards,
David
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hello again as i am new to computers you will have to bear with me as I think i have deleted some messages and maybe doubled up on others. the william you are looking for married a Mary, aunt Mamie to me they had no children,they lived at 140, Dunston rd. The Sarah who spoke to your grandad Would have been g aunt Sally Ggrandfathers sister,I have looked through my grannies diary on 10th feb aunt Mary died was burried on 14th at ---adly? Leicester in her 79th yr she would have been 80 on the 17th I remember talk of aunt Mary Lizzy and aunt Mary hope this might help you. our g g grandparents William @ sarah Lived Gateshead/dunston when William married Jane they went to live in Morpeth all their children were born there, greatgrandad, and sons william andGeorge went back to dunston 1910 and took over the grounds of the lunitic assylam
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leicester burrial 1917
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Mary ,
I don't know much about my GtGrandmother Eliza. I was hoping to find out if she met William in Shropshire where he might have been working or training or met him in Newcastle /Gateshead.
He was the William who was born in 1858/9 and married Jane Anderson in Newcastle in 1887. Jane was born in 1864 in Newcastle and was a domestic. William was the son of William married to Sarah Forster and was born at Morpeth. He died in 1906 and was a market gardener.
William and Jane had six children not including Granddad and it was his daughter Sarah Jane born 1888 at Dunston that my father talked to. She died in 1973.
David
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Flossie @ Dossie were my grannies cousins. I have a post card of Morpeth sent from a cousin Tom it says, Annie is always talking about you, she tells me i have 2 mothers I do not know who Tom is? muriel
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Muriel,
Do you have a date for the postcard? William had a brother Thomas who was born in 1856 at Woodhouse/North Seaton. Dossie was born 1891 at Dunston and Flossie 1895 also at Dunston. Do you live in the area?
I live in the Midlands.
David
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i am in Lancaster
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David, I am putting the Kennedys back in there box for now.When our great grandchildren visit us next I will get them to sort some photographs out. Muriel
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Dear Muriel,
I quite understand. It does get a bit overwhelming.
When your younger ones have a look through your information I shall appreciate any reference to William's whereabouts in 1886 or to a girlfriend (Eliza).
Do contact me again if you require any information on the Kennedys going back beyond William.
Best wishes,
David
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Hello it is me again. the Sarah Jane 1888-1973 She was my grandmothers cousin, I called her aunt Sally. Ispent many holidays at there Dunston cottage The market gardens she was lovely, I also spent time with Williams wife whos house was around the corner My aunt Mamie [Mary] my granny died 1959 aunt was at the funeral Muriel
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Hello
Just came across this Forum Chat
Hugh Kennedy links into my direct Kennedy Ancestors who originated in Northumberland and were then known as incomers to Stapleton and other areas of Cumberland once John and Dorothy Armstrong moved the family to this region
Many branches went between Cumberland and Northumberland for decades as well as migrating to Canada USA and various other countries
Have extensive data on Ancestry and also information from Carlise BMD
Willing to share if anyone interested
I live in North East England
Individuals within my direct branch born in Newcastle moved to Cumberland with their own families and died in Longtown etc
Edith
Direct descendant of John Kennedy/Kennity/Kenady
Hugh Kennedy 1790-1864
2nd cousin 5x removed
William (Kennity) Kennedy 1749-
Father of Hugh Kennedy
John (Kennity) Kennedy 1720-1753
Father of William (Kennity) Kennedy
John (Kennity) Kennedy 1690-1781
Father of John (Kennity) Kennedy
Simon Kennedy 1740-1809
Son of John (Kennity) Kennedy
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Hi Edith,
My ggg father moved from Cumberland to Prudhoe, David kennedy b1854 at Cumwhinton.
10ken.