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Hi, Ive just started a family tree and are trying to find links to
John & Eliza Gregory who emigrated (immigrated?) 23 July 1874 on ship Miltiades with 2 children from "Gravesend" England.
(Childrens names George and Edith.
then in NZ other children born were:
Florence,
Alice,
Albert
Alfred
Ashwin
Ashley
(birth dates unknown).
My question is: Who were John Gregory's parents names or siblings names? where was he born or what area did the family come from (England somewhere I suppose). all I know is that John & Eliza lived in Puni, near Auckland, New zealand.
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Hi Kereru,
Welcome to Rootschat!!! There are loads of wonderful people who will be able to help you in your quest.
First off, it may be better to get this post moved to the New Zealand board where a concentrated crack can be made at it. Not sure how to get it moved but a moderator could do it.
In order to go backwards from John and Eliza we may have to go forwards a bit as things like newspapers, wills, obituaries, cemeteries and certificates may/will hold the clues you need.
Cheers
Bunny 8) (also in NZ)
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Go here http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=DSC18740801.2.3.1&srpos=4&e=-------10--1----0miltiades+gregory-all to see the newspaper report of the voyage to NZ.
And go here http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=TO18971106.2.42.23&srpos=2&e=-------10--1----0edith+gregory-all to see the marriage of one of the children.
Cheers
Bunny 8)
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Thanks, yes I already have the info about Immigration to NZ. Thats what got the ball rolling!
If I want to look up Deaths births & marriages (historical) in NZ then do I have to pay to get info or is there another way of getting info free? thanks.
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Not sure how to get it moved but a moderator could do it.
If you look at bottom right of post it says
Report to moderator
This will send you into the messaging system where you can ask for post to be moved
Linda
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Dear Kereru,
Yes you can look up NZ BDM. And I strongly suggest you read the following topic from the NZ Board:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,424797.0.html
And then apply it to https://www.bdmonline.dia.govt.nz/ as it is very handy. You don't get everything but you can at least achieve a date without payment.
Cheers
Bunny 8)
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Hello Kereru, I am a great granddaughter of John and Eliza Gregory, my grandfather was Alfred and he was born at Awhitu Manukau Peninsula Auckland. There is or was a cousin called Winsome Gregory from Gisborne who was doing a family tree. The family lived down there at some stage as my mother Muriel was born there in 1922. She was the youngest of 4 daughters. I think it must have been after living at Puni, John Gregory used to play the organ at a little church called St Brides at Mauku (its still in use and has a lot of history attached to it, as maori wars were fought around it and it has tin plate over holes in the walls through which muskets were fired from) they retired to Balmoral Road Balmoral Auckland and my grandfather lived next door for a time. John and Eliza Gregory are buried at a Hillsborough Cemetery. I have quite a lot of history.
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I'm a great granddaughter of John and Eliza, my grand father was Edmund John.
I have the family tree and I'm wanting to go back to John's Parents, all I have is his fathers name was George.
We are going on holiday in a few weeks around the east coast Gisborne, thats where my father was born.
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Hello Kiwi Lass, and welcome to RootsChat!
Do you know when and where John and Eliza (or their children George and Edith) were born? That will help us search for them in England, and hopefully find "your" John with his parents.
Rambler
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Hello, John Gregory was born at Glouester England on 24th April 1848
Eliza Underhill was born at Difford Worcestershire England 22nd August 1849
The first child born Louisa December 1871, George was born June 1873.
I think they came out to NZ with the parents, other children born in NZ
John and Eliza married church of St Paul, Balsall Heath, Birmingham on the 22nd of January 1871
They arrived in NZ 23rd July 1874 aboard the Miltiades.
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This looks the best match for John on the 1851 census:
HO107; Piece 2044; Folio 33; Page 4 - Village, Hinton on the Green, Gloucestershire
George GREGORY Head 31 Groom b. Bicester, Oxfordshir
Ann GREGORY Wife 35 Laundress b. (?)Bowdon, Northamptonshire
Harriet GREGORY Dau 10 Scholar b. Banbury, Oxfordshire
Mary Ann GREGORY Dau 8 Scholar b. Banbury, Oxfordshire
Emmanuel GREGORY Son 5 Scholar b. Hinton, Gloucestershire
John GREGORY Son 2 Scholar b. Hinton, Gloucestershire
Sarah GREGORY Dau 11 months b. Hinton, Gloucestershire
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Have you got the marriage certificate? this will tell you the names and occupations of the fathers, and will help to try and pin them down.
Also what witnesses on the marriage cert?
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This looks like the reference for John's birth registration, with a spelling variation for his surname:
Births Jun 1848
GRAGROY John
Evesham 18 391
Evesham registration district covers Hinton on the Green - Emmanuel and Sarah were both registered in the same district under the surname GREGORY.
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Thank you so much for the info on my great, great grandparents.
Regards Robyn NZ
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Hi
I have just had a look at 1861 census and collected a few more children for you!
Hinton on the Green Worc Piece 2100 Folio 29 page 6
George H Marr 1819 Groom Bicester Oxon
Ann Wife Marr 1813 Launderess Bourton Oxon
Mary Ann D 1842 Servant Banbury Oxon
Emanuel S 1846 Gardener Hinton on the Green
John S 1848 Plough Boy Hinton
Sarah D 1850 Scholar Hinton
James M S 1851 Scholar Hinton
Henry S 1853 Scholar Hinton
Edmund S 1855 Scholar Hinton
Rhoda D 1858 Scholar Hinton
Alfred Grandson 9 months Hampton Worc
Carey William Boarder unmarried 1840 Ag Lab Ramsden Oxon
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Hi
Just found on 1871 census
John marr age 22 Glos Hinton on the Green
Eliza wife age 22 Worc
Kyrwick's Lane Aston Piece 3139 Folio 55 Page 29
So they are Birmingham , like me! I can't read John's occupation and Eliza's birthplace but I am sure someone else may be able to.
Marie
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Hi
Don't know if you have seen this marriage
Banbury Dec Q 1840 Vol 16 Page 7
George Gregory to Anne Goodway/Hawtyn/Lovell?
Marie
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Hi Marie, Thanks for that.
John occupation was a Groom, and Eliza ( Underhill) was born in Difford Worcestershire, her father was a railway Porter.
I find Ann with 3 different Surnames strange.
My they had big families in those days.
Take Care Robyn.
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oops...Mistake John's father George was a groom.
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Hi
I think my short hand was a bit confussing - sorry. I put the three surnames as when I look at the marriage index it gave me the choice of 3 Annes, so George could have been married to Anne Goodway or Anne Hawtyn or Anne Lovell. I guess you have to have find the parish record or buy the cert to find out which one. Marie
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Hi,
I think I can narrow down the choice of three Annes, the names with the same marriage details are,
John BEEVES
George GREGORY
Elisha NEWTON
Richard RILEY
Anne GOODWAY
Anne HAWTYN
Elizabeth HAYNES
Anne LOVELL
Richard RILEY
Anne HAWTIN or HAWTYN
16 Oct 1840 Banbury, Oxford
A bit of a chance but I found a Hannah who migth be Anne GOODWAYs sister,
05 May 1840 Banbury St Mary OXF Banns
John WILSON of Chipping Warden, full age, bachelor, farmer, father Thomas, farmer
Hannah GOODWAY of Banbury (Calthorpe Lane), full age, spinster, father Thomas, sawyer
In 1841 it looks like John and Hannah WILSON are in Chipping Warden, HO107/795/6 f.3 p.1.
In 1851 Hannah WILSON widow has a sister Ann NEWTON, widow, living with her in Banbury, HO107/1734 f.366 p.23, this could suppport the theory that Ann/e GOODWAY married Elisha NEWTON. There is a death for an
Elisha NEWTON Jun Q Banbury 16 2
So it looks like George GREGORY married Anne LOVELL but the only way to be sure is to get the cert. or one of the children's birth certificates.
Regards,
Daisy
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Hi Daisy,
Thanks for that I appreciate all the info.
I will get into this as soon as I'm back from holiday.
Take Care Robyn.
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http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&d=AS19380427.1.22&e=-------10-AS-1----0John+Gregory--
Not very clear but you can still it...Auckland Star 1938
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http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=AS19360424.2.95&srpos=4&e=-------10-AS-1----0John+Gregory--
This one is better....
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Hi, Ive just started a family tree and are trying to find links to
John & Eliza Gregory who emigrated (immigrated?) 23 July 1874 on ship Miltiades with 2 children from "Gravesend" England.
(Childrens names George and Edith.
then in NZ other children born were:
Florence,
Alice,
Albert
Alfred
Ashwin
Ashley
(birth dates unknown).
My question is: Who were John Gregory's parents names or siblings names? where was he born or what area did the family come from (England somewhere I suppose). all I know is that John & Eliza lived in Puni, near Auckland, New zealand.
Hi, if you are still looking for info on John Gregory's parents, They were originally from bicester in Oxfordshire (well father George at least). George b1820, was the last child of John (1783, ludgershall, buckinghamshire - 9 miles from Bicester) and Eleanor Timms 1783-1822. I'm a Descendant of George's elder brother John b1817 d1883. John 1783-1841 died in Banbury, around which time George's eldest two children, Harriet and Mary Anne were born, apparently then they moved to gloucestershire between 1842 and 1846 when son Emmanuel was born there.
I've put my dna on the family tree dna company, and sure hope other Gregory descendants will do the same, so we can confirm the family tree.
Frances
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In 1962 a Thomas Winton Gregory completed a FT from the arrival of John and Eliza Gregory's arrival in NZ aboard the 'Miltitades' in 1874. Within that, there is considerable information about their early days in New Zealand. I still have a copy of that FT. I am the grandchild of one of their children, Florence, who married Alfred Percival Wright in 1908. If anyone would like to know more (or extract info from the FT), I am willing to discuss.