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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => London and Middlesex => England => London & Middlesex Lookup Requests => Topic started by: kathyhpink on Wednesday 13 January 10 20:57 GMT (UK)
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I know I definitely made this connection about a year ago after much searching on Ancestry, but blowed if I can find it now after many hours over the last couple of days. I'm trying to find a Kate Cockell (not sure if this was her proper name or shortened).
Kate Cockell is the mother of Donald John Cockell (found that out on Wikipedia) who was the Light Heavyweight boxing champion in the early 1950s. Don was born in 1928 and died in 1983. He married a Patricia Mary and they had two sons.
I have Edmund James Cockell (b. 1868) married Susannah Ada Skiplorne (b.1870) in 1895. Susannah died in 1896, poor girl after only one year of marriage. Perhaps Susannah died giving birth to Kate?
As I say, I did find the connection once, so know there's a link. All the above events took place in London.
Can anyone help please?
Thanks in advance
Kathy
Moderator comment: edited to remove names of people who might still be alive
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Hi there is a Kate Louisa Cockell birth reg Sept qtr 1895 Greenwich & a birth for Donald J Cockell Dec qtr 1928 Wandsworth mother's name Cockell.
So it seems Donald may have been illegitimate.
Jennifer
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1901 census 526/fol. 169 122 Grove Street Greenwich
John D Cockell 35 Hose Decorator painter Born Deptford
Kate A 37 Housewife born Stepney
Kate L 5 dau born Deptford
Jennifer
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1891 census 496/ fol, 132 51 Bolt Street Greenwich
John Cockell 24 House painter
Henry Cockell 21 Gen labourer
both born Deptford both given as boarders.
Jennifer
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1871 census 701/fol.55 2 Lombard Market Wandsworth
Edmund Cockell 29 Blacksmith born City of London
Sarah 25 Camberwell
Edmund J 3 Croydon
Minnie E 1 Battersea.
Your Kate's parents seem to be John & Kate not Edmund. Yours are Greenwich , Edmund seems Wandsworth?
Edmund married June 1895 St.Saviour Susanna died Mar 1896 Wandsworth
John Daniel Cockell reg Mar qtr 1867 Greenwich
Henry Edward Dec qtr 1869 Greenwich
Jennifer
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John Daniel Cockell married Kate Anne Woods Sept qtr 1894 Greenwich
Jennifer
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Hi may have found the link John Daniels father was also a blacksmith!!!
1871 census 745/57 6 Albert Street Greenwich
John Daniel Cockell 29 Blacksmith Born St.Pauls Deptford
Caroline Mary 27 Woolwich
William H 6 Greenwich
John Daniel 4 Deptford (Kate's father)
Henry 1 Deptford
Caroline Mary Cockell aged 3 died June qtr 1875 Greenwich
Jennifer
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John Daniel Cockell married Caroline Mary Harding Dec qtr 1863 Lewisham
Jennifer
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Jennifer, wow you have been really busy! Thank you so much. I will work on what you have given me and let you know how I get on.
Many many thanks
Kathy
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Right, I think I have worked it out You have got confused because Edmund Cockell born 1842 had a brother Charles born c.1847 who married a kate Richards Dec qtr 1869 Wandsworth. (This would make her too old to be the mother of Donald).
Edmunds father is also a William Cockell who I think is a red herring as he was born City of London all yours are born St.Pauls Greenwich Deptford.
Your possible family:-
1841 census 488/9/33 High Street Greenwich
William Cockell 55 Cooper
Elizabeth 55
John 20 Joiner
Mary 15 All born in the County
1841 488/4/12 King Strett Greenwich
William Cockell 25 Cooper
Eliza 25
William 3 All born in the County
Jennifer
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1851 census 1584/545 10 Seymour Street Greenwich
William Cockell 38 Roper West India Docks
Elizabeth 35
William H 13
John D 9
Eliza A 6
Henry E 6 months
1584/544 5 Seymour Street
John D Cockell 33 Ships Joiner Deptford
Ann 28 Greenwich
Sarah A F 1 Deptford
1861 census
Wiliam 48 Cooper
William 21 Blockmaker
John Daniel 19 Blacksmith
Henry Edward 10 All born Deptford
395/183 5 Seymour Street
John D Cockell 43 Ships joiner Deptford
Ann 38 Greenwich
Sarah Ann Frances 11
Elizabeth Skillett Cockell 9
Mary Ann 5 All born Deptford.
1871 census 745/3
William Cockell 58 Cooper
Henry Ed. 20 Engineers Appr.
Mary Cockell 49 un mar sister All born Deptford
744/ 5 Seymour Street
Ann Cockell 48 wid of ships joiner Greenwich
Sarah Ann 21
Elizabeth Skillett Cockell 18
Mary Ann 15 all born Deptford.
Jennifer
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Edmunds family.
1841 1086/8/21 87 Webber Street Southwark
William 25 Sawyer
Ann 25
William 4
Sarah 1 All born in the county
1851 census 1577 / Lavender Road Battersea
William 35 Beer Seller born Bow Lane
Ann 38 Hammersmith
William 14 Kent Road
Sarah 11 Bow Lane
Edmund 8 Walworth
Emma 5 Grays Inn Road
Charles 3 Walworth
Albert 1 Walworth
Edward Keenan 26 Brotherinlaw Peckham
Emma si in law 29 Peckham
Ann 80 mother in law Bath Somerset
1871 census High Street Battersea next door to Greyhound pub
William 55 head Dealer in building materials city of London
Ann 58 Hammersmith
same address
Charles Cockell head 23 Bricklayer Kingston
Kate 21 wife Battersea
Charles 7 months Battersea Charles married Kate Richards Dec 1869.
Jennifer
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I hope this helps you to sort out you problem.
Do you have Donalds birth certificate, does it give father's name?
I have found the families under Cockell/Cockle/Cockrell to name a few.
Jennifer
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Hi Jennifer
I can't thank you enough for all the hard work you've put in for me. I must appreciate it. I have formatted a document with all the ones relevant to me. It's now not looking like I can find the direct link to Donald John Cockell. But I will keep on researching until I find or link or discover that we are so far removed........
When I find out, I'll let you know - I think you deserve to know more than me now ;D
Kathy
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Hello Kathy,
I am interested in your thread as i believe you are talking about my great grandfather and grandfather. Are you any relation to James William Alfred Skiplorne?
Regards, Anne
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Hi Anne
I have only just come back on to this site, so only just saw your query. Apologies. James William Skiplorne, born 1876, died 1939, was my great grandfather. His oldest son was also James William, born 1896, died 1968. I remember this one, my great uncle Jimmy, who was a policeman and lived in Chingford, Essex. We used to go there for tea a lot. Happy memories.
Would love to know how you are connected.
Best wishes
Kathy
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Hi Kathy,
Welcome back to RootsChat.
I am very sorry but Anne's email address is no longer working, I have googled the details but nothing has come up on search. As this was the only post that Anne made I have no further clues to go on..
Regards
Sarah
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Mary Ann Kate Cockell (Kate Cockell) was mother of don cockell she married Alfred potter in 1935 in battersea , dons father unknown hope this help as Alf is in my tree