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Hi
Would anyone know please where we would find any records for Hull Homeguard and also whether they would include individual records for those serving in the home guard>
Also, are there any records online?
Thank you
Emms :)
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this is a Home Guard website
http://www.home-guard.org.uk/hg/hgfaq.html
which explains you should use the link to this Veterans Page - once there you will see the link to click on for a relative requesting information which costs £30 !! (I'm having 2nd thoughts already!)
http://www.veterans-uk.info/service_records/service_records.html
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Hi Rena :)
Thank you for that.
Like you say, the £30 is defifnitely offputting!
Ah, now, is it a coincidence, or is this going to be the same as the army service records. I think £30 was the amount quoted.
I'll have a look at those and let you know how I get on.
Thank you again.
Emms
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Hi ena
Thank you very much!
I had a very woolly idea about the Home Guard and how they were formed and run, although I was well aware of the vital work they did.
That's made it really clear. For instance, in my ignorance, I wasn't even aware that the Home Guard was part of the army and didn't know they had a similar structure.
So that form is the same one we have for a post war service record, only available to spouses and Next of Kin and free to a spouse.
Thank you very much!
Emms :)
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My father was in the Home Guard WWII somewhere in Hull, but for some reason I always assumed it had something to do with his workplace which had a large workforce. There's a photograph in existence somewhere which shows his battalion in their khaki uniforms in front of a row of bushes but there's no clue of the name.
We didn't see much of him,as he was either at the factory or waving us goodbye before he cycled off for the weekend homeguard stint. I read somewhere that there was a rifle shortage for the homeguard but he definitely had one. I also remember telling us that his first job if ever the enemy landed was to blow up the street where were lived. This was to tie up the enemy resources looking after civilians so the homeguard could be free to blow up railway lines and other espionage activities.
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Hi Rena
Thank you for telling me about your Dad. I didn't realize they went away for the weekend, or how proactive their activities could have been.
Interesting, that link says that many units were based on the workplace, I wonder if that was the case with my friend's relative?
I also discovered recently, that my great uncle's service record has survived from WW1 and on the end is a separate set of records for service just near the start of WW2. I'm not sure if it just said reserve or if it could have said Homeguard. I must have another look.
I know loads of them were in the reserve but I've not seen another reccord like that.
Thank you again.
Emms :)
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I haven't done any research on the homeguard or wardens, I only know what I picked up in my younger days.
For instance my father was an engineer working at Priestman Brothers Ltd., Thomas St & Williamson St. Hull. Every factory asked for (and expected) volunteers for air raid watch. These volunteer men & women would be up on the factory roofs searching the skies for enemy planes - if one was spotted they had to sound the Klaxon horn which was bolted to the roof. every shop and factory had buckets filled with sand for dousing small flames. When the next Klaxon station heard the neighbouring Klaxon sound they too would sound their alarms ..... If you think of the olympic torch being carried in relays and handed onto the next person that's what happened with the Klaxons. Upon hearing the sound civilian families would either crouch in the strongest place in the house (under the stairs) or take to the nearest Anderson shelter in a neighbourhood garden or some other public designated place of safety.
Being on guard duty wasn't without other dangers ... my father recounted a story about one office girl who'd finished her stint and was cycling home towards North Bridge aboiut 2 a.m. when a local notorious gang of men saw her (either called Silver Blade or Silver Hatchet Gang). she pedalled furiously and was keeping ahead of them until she came to the incline leading to North Bridge and no fervent wish could stop her momentum from going slower and slower with the gang gaining on her, then baying at her back wheel and then flailing fingers trying to grab her. Prayers answered and she managed to get to the top of the incline and speed down the hill before they could drag her off her bike.... what a shocking experience.
If you heard a knock on the door in the hours of darkness it was usually a warden informing you he could see a crack of light from your window & you'd better organise your blackout curtains a bit better or else.
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I have been looking for home guard my Granddad was in I have a photo taken in east park but when I try to send it says its two big to send
I got intoch with Mr Proctor who sent the photo to the paper but he was unable to tell mutch as he was only 17 .1/2 at the time and shortly went of to war I know they did most of the training in East Park and were located at what was the Co-op on Marfleet lane hope this is of some help
Tony
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this is the photo
Tony
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/ww2peopleswar/categories/c54719/index_8.shtml
http://www.17balloons.co.uk/pages/page-11.html
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thanks Bilge
had a look but nothing on Hull on the BBC site
the Balloons did not have anything but interesting read Sutton is now a houseing estate (Bransholme) lived there once
Tony
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I'm uploading a photo of the Homeguard unit my father was in with the hope it will help other researchers. I believe this photo was taken on the recreation playing field behind James Reckitt Avenue, Garden Village, Hull.
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Just got the photo thanks ;D
Think I found my Grandad on it not 100% but looks the part
Thanks again
Tony
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Try the Hull History Centre for any archive material they may have for the Home Guard in Hull.
Second World War Records
http://www.hullhistorycentre.org.uk/discover/hull_history_centre/our_collections/source_guides/second_world_war_records.aspx
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Treasure House at Beverley have some for those areas in the East Riding.
zHG - EAST RIDING HOME GUARD RECORDS[/b Finding No HG
Extent 18 items listed below Date 1940-1944
Description Includes nominal rolls for East Riding Home Guard Headquarters, 1st (Hull) and 6th (Driffield) Battalions and company books for East Riding Home Guard 2nd (Brough) , 4th [Market Weighton?], 6th (Driffield), 7th [Holderness/Hedon?] Battalions, 102 Battalion and 2067 Motor Transport Company.
Finding No HG/2
Title East Riding 1st Battalion (Hull) Home Guard nominal roll
Date 1940-1942
Description Arranged in sections for companies and platoons and then in alphabetical sections by name.
Includes A company (eastern), B company (western), north east company, C company (electricity), D company (British Oil Cake), R platoon (Brigham and Cowan), S platoon (Admiralty), T platoon (Spillers), V platoon (Ranks), W platoon (C.W.S.), H platoon (East Hull Gas), X platoon (Petroleum Board), L platoon (Premier Oil Mills), J company (Amos and Smith), Y platoon (East Yorkshire Motors), Z platoon (Broadcast Relay).
Includes the following details: name, address, name address and relationship of next of kin, date of birth, date of enrolment, appointments, date of discharge, cause of discharge, remarks.
Finding No HG/3
Title East Riding 1st Battalion (Hull) Home Guard nominal roll
Description Arranged in sections for companies and platoons and then in alphabetical sections by name.
Includes A company, C company (Electricity Department), B company [D crossed out] (B.O.C.M. [British Oil Cake Manufacturers?]), R platoon (Brigham and Cowan), V platoon (Ranks), W platoon (C.W.S.), X platoon (Saltend).
Includes the following details: name, address, name address and relationship of next of kin, date of birth, date of enrolment, appointments, date of discharge, cause of discharge, remarks.
Finding No HG/4
Title East Riding 6th Battalion (Driffield) Home Guard nominal roll
Date 1940-1943
Description Label on inside cover annotated 'Driffield BN Home Guard'
Arranged in sections for companies and platoons and then alphabetically by name.
Includes sections for HQ company A, B, C and D companies and London and North Eastern Railway Driffield station company. Addresses of names in roll book are mainly based on Driffield, Malton and Sherburn.
Includes the following details: name, address, name address and relationship of next of kin, date of birth, date of enrolment, appointments, date of discharge, cause of discharge, remarks.
Finding No HG/5
Title East Riding 6th Battalion (Driffield) Home Guard nominal roll
Date 1940-1944
Description Arranged in sections for each section and then alphabetically by name. Includes index to names.
Includes sections for villages of West Heslerton, East Heslerton, Yedingham, Rillingham, Scagglethorpe, Settrington, Thorpe Bassett, Wharram, Kirby Grindalythe and Duggleby and record of men who have left company.
Includes the following details: name, address, name address and relationship of next of kin, date of birth, date of enrolment, appointments, date of discharge, cause of discharge, remarks.
Finding No HG/6
Title East Riding 1st Battalion (Hull) Home Guard nominal roll for Saltend
Date 1940-1943
Description Arranged in alphabetical sections. Includes details of name, identity number, address, employer, rank, date enrolled, platoon and sections, record of schools and camps attended.
Finding No HG/7
Title East Riding 2nd Battalion (Brough) Home Guard company book
Date 1940-1944
Description Arranged in sections for HQ platoon and B/A platoon. Addresses of personnel include an area based mainly on Hessle, Hull, South Cave, Elloughton and Swanland.
Includes details of name, address, name and relation of next of kin, date of birth, date of enrolment, appointments, date of discharge, cause, remarks.
Finding No HG/8
Title East Riding 2nd Battalion (Brough) Home Guard company book
Date 1940-1944
Description Company book for A company. Addresses of personnel include an area based mainly on Hessle, Willerby, Anlaby, Swanland, North Ferriby, Kirk Ella and Cottingham.
Includes details of name, address, name and relation of next of kin, date of birth, date of enrolment, appointments, date of discharge, cause, remarks.
Finding No HG/9
Title East Riding 2nd Battalion (Brough) Home Guard company book
Date 1940-1944
Description Company book for B company. Addresses of personnel include an area based mainly on Brough, South Cave, Newbald, Newport, Little Weighton.
Includes details of name, address, name and relation of next of kin, date of birth, date of enrolment, appointments, date of discharge, cause, remarks.
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Treasure House, Home Guard contd....
Finding No HG/10
Title East Riding 4th [Market Weighton?] Battalion Home Guard company book
Date 1940-1944
Description Number of company not identified. Includes sparse entries with addresses of personnel based mainly on Selby, Market Weighton, Stamford Bridge and Pocklington. Entries arranged in alphabetical order..
Includes details of name, address, name and relation of next of kin, date of birth, date of enrolment, appointments, date of discharge, cause, remarks.
Finding No HG/11
Title East Riding 4th Battalion [Market Weighton?] Home Guard company book
Date 1940-1944
Description Company book for no.5 company. Arranged in sections and then alphabetically by name. Includes sections for Market Weighton nos.1,5 and 6 platoons; Everingham, Bielby and Seaton Ross no.2 platoon; Melbourne and Thornton no.3 platoon; Holme and Houghton no.4 platoon.
Includes details of name, address, name and relation of next of kin, date of birth, date of enrolment, appointments, date of discharge, cause, remarks.
Finding No HG/12
Title East Riding 4th Battalion [Market Weighton?] Home Guard company book
Date 1940-1944
Description Company book for E company. Arranged in sections and then alphabetically by name. Includes sections for Company HQ, Market Weighton nos. 2 and 3 platoons and transfers.
Includes details of name, address, name and relation of next of kin, date of birth, date of enrolment, appointments, date of discharge, cause, remarks.
Finding No HG/13
Title East Riding 4th Battalion [Market Weighton?] Home Guard company book
Date 1940-1944
Description Company book for 4,5,6 and 7 platoons and Houghton section. Arranged in sections for Londesborough no.4 platoon; Shiptonthorpe no.5 platoon; Everingham, no.6 platoon [mainly addresses in Everingham, Seaton Ross and Bielby]; also section with addresses mainly for Holme Moor and Sancton.
Includes details of name, address, name and relation of next of kin, date of birth, date of enrolment, appointments, date of discharge, cause, remarks.
Finding No HG/14
Title East Riding 6th Battalion (Driffield) Home Guard company book
Date 1940-1944
Description Arranged in sections for HQ Company and A, B, C and D Companies and London and North Eastern Railway (Driffield) Company.
Includes details of name, address, name and relation of next of kin, date of birth, date of enrolment, appointments, date of discharge, cause, remarks.
Finding No HG/15
Title East Riding 7th Battalion [Holderness/Hedon?] Home Guard
Date 1940-1944
Description Arranged in alphabetical order of name. Covers part of Holderness with addresses mainly in Hedon, Preston, Thorngumbald, Keyingham and Ottringham.
Includes details of name, address, name and relation of next of kin, date of birth, date of enrolment, appointments, date of discharge, cause, remarks.
Finding No HG/16
Title East Riding 8th Battalion Home Guard company book
Date 1940-1944
Description Arranged in alphabetical sections. Refers to addresses in Hull.
Includes details of name, address, name and relation of next of kin, date of birth, date of enrolment, appointments, date of discharge, cause, remarks.
Finding No HG/17
Extent 1 item
Title East Riding '102' Battalion Home Guard company book
Date 1940-1944
Description Arranged in alphabetical sections. Includes mainly addresses in Willerby, Hessle, Cottingham and Hull.
Includes details of name, address, name and relation of next of kin, date of birth, date of enrolment, appointments, date of discharge, cause, remarks.
Finding No HG/18
Title East Riding 2067 Home Guard Motor Transport company book
Date 1940-1943
Description Arranged in sections for Headquarters, platoons nos.1-4. Includes mainly Hull addresses.
Includes details of name, address, name and relation of next of kin, date of birth, date of enrolment, appointments, date of discharge, cause, remarks.
zPH - EAST RIDING AND OTHER PLACES PHOTOGRAPHS, PRINTS AND SKETCHES
Finding No PH/1/211
Molescroft Home Guard, 1940s
Territorial Army soldiers marching through Cartwright Lane, c.1936
zPOL - HUMBERSIDE POLICE AUTHORITY RECORDS
3 - East Riding Constabulary records
Finding No POL/3/6/5/56
Title Use of unlicensed and unregistered vehicles for the Home Guard file
Date 1941-1942
Description Includes authorisation for vehicles and a list of unlicensed and uninsured vehicles authorised to be used within the area of the East Riding of Yorkshire, for Home Guard duty under Schedule F of Statutory Rule and Order, 1940, Number 741.
zPOL - HUMBERSIDE POLICE AUTHORITY RECORDS
3 - East Riding Constabulary records
7 - Records relating to World War One and World War Two
Finding No POL/3/6/7/7
Extent 1 item
Title East Riding coastal area operational administrative instructions
Date 1942
Description Ammunition issued to the Home Guard, medical arrangements, food supplies and transport.
bendywendy
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Thanks for information do I have to go in to look at records?
Thanks
Tony
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Yes you will have to visit one/both of the places, depending on which info you want to look at, It is best to ring and book and give them the Finding No's or the information you want to look at. They will then have these ready for your booked visit.
You will need a Readers/CARN Ticket, if you don't have one inform them when booking, you can then use this Readers/CARN Ticket at all other Archive places.
Treasure House, Champney Road, Beverley, East Yorkshire HU17 9BA Tel: 01482 392790 Fax: 01482 392791
Hull History Centre, Worship Street, Hull HU2 8BG Tel: 01482 317500
Readers/CARN Ticket info
http://www.hullhistorycentre.org.uk/discover/hull_history_centre/visit_us/planningyourvisit/carnfaq.aspx
http://www.hullhistorycentre.org.uk/discover/hull_history_centre/visit_us/planning_your_visit/carn_ticket.aspx
Pointers, take a magnifying glass with you, comes in very useful at times. If you wish to take in a laptop you need to ask them first if this is possible, not all Archives allow this. You can only use pencil for writing. All coats, bags, valuables etc must be placed in their secure lockers. Some doc's can be photocopied, this does cost!! Have fun.....
bendywendy
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Hi just seen your photo Rena, i think the man is front row very centre with arms folded looks very like my late father Les Roberts, he lived garden village and james reckitt ave area for years, did'nt know he was in the home guard though, so might not be him, im going to as mum if she remembers anything.
Great photo
ps, dad was a bike messenger going between the fire stations when he was younger before being called up on national service.
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Helllo Rena, do you have any more info on your photo, do you know approximate year was.
Tony..............
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This is a good site to get information on the Home Guard, well worth a visit
ALan NZ
http://www.staffshomeguard.co.uk/DReminiscencesstaffshg.htm
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Thans very much alan i'll have a look..
Tony
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You'll find me on there as well ;D
Alan NZ
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What an interesting thread. Alan (percy porter) pointed me towards it. Just a couple of brief comments.
I tried to pull together in my HG website - thanks for the mention, Alan - the various (somewhat limited) options available to people who want to trace individual Home Guards. They are here: http://www.staffshomeguard.co.uk/J9GeneralInformationSearchingforMembers.htm
Rena's group photograph is a nice one. If anyone has anything like this and wants to give it further publicity within a HG website, I should be delighted to hear from them.
Finally. anyone doing HG research in East Yorkshire sounds fortunate indeed - the surviving library records seem far more comprehensive than in many areas.
Chris
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Helllo Rena, do you have any more info on your photo, do you know approximate year was.
Tony..............
Hi Tony,
I owe you an apology. Sorry I haven't answered your query - I just came across your request today when I was surfing for Priestman Brothers of Hull.
I'm pretty sure my dad brought this home after the war ended but unfortunately can't recall anything specific. The homeguard was officially disbanded 31st December 1945 so presumably the autumn of that year. I do recall him once saying that film was scarce during the war as what little paper and chemicals there were had to be saved for the war effort so you couldn't buy any film for your camera.
I have some photos of my dad in 1939 and judging from his shape in the photo I'd say the picture was taken 1945.
apologies once again for my tardiness.
Rena
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Rena,
I think that your photo almost certainly dates from earlier than 1945. Whilst the HG remained officially in existence into 1945 it effecitively disbanded at the beginning of December 1944 when it was "stood down". Groups like this would never have assembled again after that date.
Units were photographed at the time of stand-down but this particular one obviously dates from the summer months. The most usual occasions when large numbers were photographed were the May anniversaries of the founding of the HG, in the early summer of 1941, 1942, 1943 and 1944. This group could date from one of these. Experts on other forums might be able to pin it down more by detecting subtle differences in uniform; or others who recognise someone appearing who didn't join until a particular date - but otherwise I'm afraid there isn't a lot of hope of dating it precisely.
Chris
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Thanks Chris,
That year would fit into my memory of where we were living at the time he brought it home. We moved house early in 1943 and I remember him bringing it home when we were living in our new house. The photo itself could have been taken in any of the years you listed.
regards, Rena
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Hi All and thank you for all the fascinating replies.
I've not had chance to look at this recently, but gradually getting back to this.
By coincidence, since posting this thread I have a WW2 record for what I think is the Home guard on the end of my great uncle's WW1 records. Some form of service at home anyway!
I'll have another look at everything.
Thank you all again.
best wishes
Emms
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I haven't done any research on the homeguard or wardens, I only know what I picked up in my younger days.
For instance my father was an engineer working at Priestman Brothers Ltd., Thomas St & Williamson St. Hull. Every factory asked for (and expected) volunteers for air raid watch. These volunteer men & women would be up on the factory roofs searching the skies for enemy planes - if one was spotted they had to sound the Klaxon horn which was bolted to the roof. every shop and factory had buckets filled with sand for dousing small flames. When the next Klaxon station heard the neighbouring Klaxon sound they too would sound their alarms ..... If you think of the olympic torch being carried in relays and handed onto the next person that's what happened with the Klaxons. Upon hearing the sound civilian families would either crouch in the strongest place in the house (under the stairs) or take to the nearest Anderson shelter in a neighbourhood garden or some other public designated place of safety.
Being on guard duty wasn't without other dangers ... my father recounted a story about one office girl who'd finished her stint and was cycling home towards North Bridge aboiut 2 a.m. when a local notorious gang of men saw her (either called Silver Blade or Silver Hatchet Gang). she pedalled furiously and was keeping ahead of them until she came to the incline leading to North Bridge and no fervent wish could stop her momentum from going slower and slower with the gang gaining on her, then baying at her back wheel and then flailing fingers trying to grab her. Prayers answered and she managed to get to the top of the incline and speed down the hill before they could drag her off her bike.... what a shocking experience.
If you heard a knock on the door in the hours of darkness it was usually a warden informing you he could see a crack of light from your window & you'd better organise your blackout curtains a bit better or else.
My father also work a Priestman Brothers all is life ,Iwas born in Hull in 1942 know very little about his time in the home gard he died in 1969 by then living in Birmingham remeber him say so many things you talked about, his name was Ken Cliff
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I haven't done any research on the homeguard or wardens, I only know what I picked up in my younger days.
For instance my father was an engineer working at Priestman Brothers Ltd., Thomas St & Williamson St. Hull. Every factory asked for (and expected) volunteers for air raid watch. These volunteer men & women would be up on the factory roofs searching the skies for enemy planes - if one was spotted they had to sound the Klaxon horn which was bolted to the roof. every shop and factory had buckets filled with sand for dousing small flames. When the next Klaxon station heard the neighbouring Klaxon sound they too would sound their alarms ..... If you think of the olympic torch being carried in relays and handed onto the next person that's what happened with the Klaxons. Upon hearing the sound civilian families would either crouch in the strongest place in the house (under the stairs) or take to the nearest Anderson shelter in a neighbourhood garden or some other public designated place of safety.
Being on guard duty wasn't without other dangers ... my father recounted a story about one office girl who'd finished her stint and was cycling home towards North Bridge aboiut 2 a.m. when a local notorious gang of men saw her (either called Silver Blade or Silver Hatchet Gang). she pedalled furiously and was keeping ahead of them until she came to the incline leading to North Bridge and no fervent wish could stop her momentum from going slower and slower with the gang gaining on her, then baying at her back wheel and then flailing fingers trying to grab her. Prayers answered and she managed to get to the top of the incline and speed down the hill before they could drag her off her bike.... what a shocking experience.
If you heard a knock on the door in the hours of darkness it was usually a warden informing you he could see a crack of light from your window & you'd better organise your blackout curtains a bit better or else.
My father also work a Priestman Brothers all is life ,Iwas born in Hull in 1942 know very little about his time in the home gard he died in 1969 by then living in Birmingham remeber him say so many things you talked about, his name was Ken Cliff
Hi David,
I worked at Priestman's too; my memory is starting to fail but the name Ken Cliff is vaguely familiar although I don't know whether it's because my dad (Don Crum) mentioned him, and/or I actually met him. In case you're interested - Hull archives have some Priestman Bros. employee records.