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Just wondered if anyone has ever tried or heard of psychics or some forum of spiritual medium being consulted in genealogical research.
My interest in the area was piqued after I heard of a third cousin once removed (adopted - so no real relation) going to a medium. She asked the medium if she could put her in touch with her mother, to which she got the reply, "Which mother would you like to know about? Your real mother or your adopted mother?"
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Oooo-er, that is uncanny isn`t it,I have never been to a seance but have friends who have and I don`t think it is for me , I`ll leave well alone I think but It would be interesting to hear other RootsChatter`s experiences. Viktoria.
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Ohhhhh I wish I could afford a few sessions with John Edward or Lisa Williams!!!
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Hi, haven't tried the psychic route but have tried skrying (divining) with some really outstanding results. Especially if you can get someone to do it for you, who knows nothing about the question you ask but you do know the answer yourself. Wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't experienced the results myself.
ceeoh
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Hi, haven't tried the psychic route but have tried skrying (divining) with some really outstanding results. Especially if you can get someone to do it for you, who knows nothing about the question you ask but you do know the answer yourself. Wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't experienced the results myself.
ceeoh
Would you be able to elaborate on the results you got?
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I am a little doubtful about this. Surely going through a medium you are using a secondary source and need to check with the original.
David
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I am a little doubtful about this. Surely going through a medium you are using a secondary source and need to check with the original.
David
Yes. Although, you could use the information to search for primary documents. Otherwise what the medium gives you would be your only source.
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My daughter came back from seeing a medium and included in her notes was; "Priscilla - please ask your mother to put me in the tree" :o
At the time I hadn't come across the name. Roll forward a year or so and I finally found my gt.grandmother Yorkshire born 17 yr old Lucy Speight hiding in Derbyshire in the 1871 census under the name Lucy Spaight working as a domestic and included in the list was the Yorkshire born cook Priscilla Speight, who I discovered was a cousin of Lucy's father.
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The whole thing is scary, but I would love a session with my paternal GGF to ask him who his parents were. No names in case I do consult a medium and (s)he reads this posting and gives me a "false" positive.
Though I am extremely dubious about contact with "the other side" I am not arrogant enough to believe that everything is known to science or ever will be known to science. So, provided not known to the medium might be worth a shot or £10 or whatever the going rate is.
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Skeptics amongst you may find this interesting.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idVxRE8uM-A
Derren Brown explains to (Richard) Dawkins why psychic readers are fake
My OH blackmailed me into going to a joint session with a reader of cards. When the reader started talking about an old man wearing a flat cap I nearly fell off my seat as my grandad immediately jumped to mind. Obviously though, I'd bet we all have someone in our tree that wore a flat cap.
Knowing she had two mothers is spooky.
Paul
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Skeptics amongst you may find this interesting.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idVxRE8uM-A
Derren Brown explains to (Richard) Dawkins why psychic readers are fake
Interesting video. I am sure there are quacks abound, but how can you discount some of the greats like Mystic Meg? :o
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.. I am sure there are quacks abound, but how can you discount some of the greats like Mystic Meg? :o
I think Redroger echoed my position:
...Though I am extremely dubious about contact with "the other side" I am not arrogant enough to believe that everything is known to science or ever will be known to science.
Paul
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Thanks Paul, support from this side at least. Heard nothing from "the other side" yet!
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... I would love a session with my paternal GGF to ask him who his parents were.
I remember my gt.grandfather who died when I was two years old and I knew he would have been born between June and September 1854 and his given name was Herman who came from "somewhere in Germany". My grandmother was his 2nd daughter named Sophia and I eventually discovered his oldest son KIA in WWI was "Henry". I eventually found one of my mother's cousins who had a note of his family's village.
I had made several journeys to the morman church at Chorley, Lancashire, looking through a german film I'd ordered with no luck but maybe he'd turn up on a 2nd film I'd ordered. In the interim I went to a medium who opened with ...
"I am being drawn to Preston". My ears perked up because one of my brothers lives in Preston village, Yorkshire... but she didn't mention my brother's name, instead it was:
There's a man standing in the road - Albert" ... my ears pricked up again as Albert was another of Herman's sons.
"He's picking up ashes and putting them up into a tree. Why on earth would he do that?"
"He's saying "Francis, Frank", a man's name".
I guessed straight away that the tree & ashes referred to my family tree, but slowcoach me took four days to realise that Chorley is on the road to Preston, Lancashire
When the next film arrived, there was no Herman amongst the baptisms, but there was a baby called Franz (Frank/Francis) with parents Henry and Sophie.
I guess I've been lucky not to have wasted money on a charlatan.
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Strange, but interesting all the same.
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Hi Rena,
Someone is telling me to ask you about the name Speight. :D
But seriously, in the interest of leaving no stone unturned, have you ever come across a Richard Speight b1777 Kendal, Westmorland? I've exhausted most of the normal avenues.
Paul
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Hi Paul
Is this Richard's dad?
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/A2A/records.aspx?cat=023-wq_2-2_4&cid=-1&Gsm=2008-06-18#-1
Wooooooooo.........
KR
Gaie
Added: or is he trying to "Spite" you from beyond the grave......? ;)
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I forgot to mention that Albert pulled a watch from his pocket when he said Franz (Frank/Francis).
I don't have it now but I was given a brass pocket watch that my grandmother kept in a drawer which had belonged to her father "Herman" - I don't recall a name engraved on it.
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Hi Rena,
Someone is telling me to ask you about the name Speight. :D
But seriously, in the interest of leaving no stone unturned, have you ever come across a Richard Speight b1777 Kendal, Westmorland? I've exhausted most of the normal avenues.
Paul
Hi there,
I've been following a direct line of William and Matthew with the odd injecton of Godfrey Speight(s).
The earliest mentions of the surname in the north has been York and Cumbria - have you seen that there's a yeoman Richard Speight on a2a?
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/A2A/advanced-search.aspx?tab=1
oops sorry didn't see this had already been answered
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Sorry Rena, I hadn't twigged that you are looking for Speights too :)
KR
Gaie
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Notice.
Mediums and spiritualists meeting 11th Jan 2010
Cancelled due to unforseen weather.
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Sorry Rena, I hadn't twigged that you are looking for Speights too :)
KR
Gaie
That was sort of my point ... I had noticed Rena had Speights in her list a few days ago and planned to make contact. Just demonstrating a rather silly parallel with most spiritualists (in my opinion) who are probably just near-genius at observation.
And ... of course ... thanks for the new lead both of you!!! :) :) :)
Paul
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Notice.
Mediums and spiritualists meeting 11th Jan 2010
Cancelled due to unforseen weather.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Sorry Rena, I hadn't twigged that you are looking for Speights too :)
KR
Gaie
That was sort of my point ... I had noticed Rena had Speights in her list a few days ago and planned to make contact. Just demonstrating a rather silly parallel with most spiritualists (in my opinion) who are probably just near-genius at observation.
And ... of course ... thanks for the new lead both of you!!! :) :) :)
Paul
Speight is translated as "Woodpecker", which was considered a god in the days of Yor - it's been muted that Speeton in Yorkshire was the original worship place. I've had a look in the Domesday Book and coincidentally see there was a "Richard" amongst the residents of Speeton:
<<Domesday place name: Specton/Spetton/Spretone
People mentioned: Arnketil; Asulf; Eadwulf; Earl Waltheof; Gamal; Gunwor; Karli; Ketilbert; Knut; Kolgrimr; Leofwine; Ligulf; Men of Nigel Fossard; man of Robert, Count of Mortain; Muli; Mylnu-Grimr; Nigel Fossard; Northmann; Orm; Richard de Sourdeval; Sunulf; Thorfinnr; Thorkil; Uhtraed; Ulf>> and maybe this could be my original William ... William de Percy
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/domesday/
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its a funny old world but as shakespeare said " There are more things in heaven and earth that are dreamt of in your philosophy Horatio-"Hamlet. So maybe he had a point, we will never know what is out there......
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Forgive me Rena, I never responded to your Speight detail. I must have gone exploring the doomsday book and got lost. :D
Thank you.
I hope one day to connect up my Richard b1777 Kendal. :)
Paul
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Sorry I haven't replied to David64's request for instances of success through divining - have been mulling it over as I know some folk tend to scoff. There are some of us who sometimes "receive" information - usually without knowing at the time what it means - this has happened to myself and a member of my family twice in relation to the death of a cousin. Am not prepared to enlarge any further on that one.
I will give one instance of divining, which was done for me by someone who knew nothing of my family. The person was given the names of three couples, any of which could have been the parents of my g-g-grandfather
The first couple the needle swung for no
The second couple the needle swung for yes
The third couple the needle hung unmoving for a short while then began to jump around and swing quite violently for no (as the person divining said to me "it's as if it was saying for goodness sake I've given you the answer why are you asking again"!)
Obviously if you don't know the answers to your questions you then have to look for confirmation but it does give you a starting point and obviously you must ask a question which can be answered with a yes or a no.
I haven't tried looking for places but seemingly it works quite well with a map.
Answer number two was the correct one - the second couple were the parents of my g-g-grandfather!!
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I should have added - I was not present at the time the questions were asked - so nothing was picked up from me as to what was or was not correct.
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The primary surname I am researching Luffman is in Hampshire Domesday Hayling Island as Leofman, can't connect him in yet though. Need some psychic assistance!
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Several years ago my daughter tried the divining technique on a photograph I'd received in an effort to discover which young man in a group of several unknowns, some of whom were standing and others sitting, was her direct ancestor called William.
A couple of years back and I was with a medium when I remarked that the information she'd relayed was of my OH's family and I mentioned I'd got a photo at home of several males and didn't really know which one was the direct blood line.... to which she responded; "Oh, I can tell you who he was", she assumed a pose and continued, "he's sitting like this in the middle of the group".
Yes, coincidentally that was the person my daughter's divining had picked out.
Was she a mind reader, or was something else helping her :o :o
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John Luffman, Where were you born in 1776? Knock once for York, twice for Somerset.
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Doesn't work like that Redroger!
Are you being facetious or would you like someone to try - no guarantees.
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John Luffman, Where were you born in 1776? Knock once for York, twice for Somerset.
knock, knock, knock - ratta-tat-tat ;D
I think you've probably got a Domesday Book name for the first syllable of your surname, which has been modernised somewhat and I'm hazarding a guess that your early ancestor was a trusted aide to a ruler of a district or lands belonging to an abbey. At some point in time one of your ancestors was given his freedom and became a Yeoman able to conduct his own business. The Anglo Saxon suffix for "ruler" is "ric" ...
http://everything2.com/title/Anglo-Saxon+names
and I think possibly the early spelling of "Luff" was "Leof". You will see on the domesday Book site that there's several rulers around the country with the name "Leofric" (Leof the ruler) and when surnames were handed out I think your ancestors took a surname something like "Leofsman"
Maybe you can spot a suitable place of origin/village with your ancestor's boss Leofric on the domesday book site:
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/browse-refine.asp?CatID=24&searchType=browserefine&pagenumber=1&query=*&queryType=1
Good Luck,
Rena
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How does it work then Ceeoh?Not facetious, totally frustrated. If you can find this birth I would be delighted, thanks for offer.
Rena. My likely distant relative is described as a former thane of Harold Godwineson, then Earl of Wessex, who was dispossessed of Hayling Island in 1066 by Harold, so my suspicion is that he had sided with Tostig and the rebels who were defeated at Fulford and Stamford Bridge prior to Hastings.
Luffman or Leofman is an Anglo Saxon name meaning "belovedman" Initially it just meant that, by the time of Chaucer and later it has connotations, meaning lover etc. The surname does seem to be strongest in Dorset, Hampshire,Somerset and Wiltshire. Those in Lincolnshire (my branch) descend from the Somerset line, hence the problem with this York birth in 1776.
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Hi Redroger - do you mean York as in the city or York(shire) as in the county?
ceeoh
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The document it came from says in the parish of St.Marys in or near York. So my surmise is either the city itself, or a nearby village parish dedicated to St. Mary.
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I'll run this by the contact who did mine - she knows nothing of the background you have given on this thread.
Ceeoh
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Very grateful for your help!
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I wish someone would do some mystic genealogy on my family tree and contact my Grgrandfather John Laidlaw and find out who his real father was.! As everyone who knew is now dead, there is no-one to ask. The same old question Which Lord someone crept into bed with your mother then?
I have left this on a back burner in the hope I might just accidentally find out. ::) ???
marcie
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Redroger - have a look at the York lead!
pm to follow
Ceeoh
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Got it thanks and replied. May crack this one yet.
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I am trying to find the death of my gggrandfather Robert Harley Archer Ferguson born in 1842 in Middlesex.
I have been searching for over 5 years so hope you can help
Thank you in anticipation
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have you checked this fellow?
Deaths in June quarter 1886
FERGUSON Robert aged 44... Hampstead, Middlesex
Volume 1a/ Page no. 416
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Perhaps I should have said he was living in Bradford, Yorkshire the last time he surfaces in 1878 on the elctoral list. He then disappears along with his wife Mary Ann leaving 4 children in the workhouse.
Cheers
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I assume you checked the 1881 census?
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I have checked 1881/91/01 and 1911.
This is a mystery I have been trying to crack for over 5 years. After 1881 2 of the eldest children also disappear off the face of the earth.
I was hoping your psychic powers may help :)
There is a Mary Ann dying in Leeds around the right time and age but it is not her.
Any help appreciated
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GEDCOM, I have no information about your ancestor, but if the psychics can help I am sure they will. Keep at it, I've been looking for John Luffman since I first started researching back in 1996, so you have a bit to go yet.
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Well Redroger looks like I may have to wait as long as you as the psychic powers do not seem to be working at the mo?
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My gran was a Spiritualist but she hasn't come through to me with details of her father. Perhaps I'm not concentrating hard enough ::) All I want to know is who his parents were and I'll do the rest of the research myself.
Lizzie
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Perhaps because its too close to home. You know the old gambit, you can help others but you cannot help yourself! ??? ::)
marcie
you can see other peoples problems solved, but sometimes you do not even know that you have a problem or see the answer.
marcie
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Have read this topic with interest! Last week I visited a psychic who told me my Grandfather Harry was present! I never knew Harry, his marriage to my Grandmother was a bigamous one and he disappeared around 1920/1. Frustratingly, the psychic then went on to inform me that Harry had a third 'wife', that he had fathered another child whilst in France and that he had also had two other children apart from my father. "Of course," the psychic proclaimed, "you'll never be able to find them!!" Some psychic! I would at least have expected names, dates and GRO references, LOL.
Siouxie
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Hi all
Reading with interest...
Unfortunately, I am an only child and my mum died when I was just 18, my grandparents followed 2 years later - and although my stepdad is still alive and I love him dearly, he knows absolutely nothing about my mum's side of the family. I have no knowledge of my biological father at all, and I'm not really worried. I do have some questions about Mum's side though; I'd *love* to find some answers through a medium but I have no idea how you would go about finding a good, reliable one. Any ideas? I have names and dates back to 1800 in most of the branches but there are strange anomalies that only people from history would be able to answer. I do wonder if it is possible.
My mum was very interested in spiritualism etc and always promised that if she could come back to 'speak' to me she would, but I've never had any strange occurences :( I'm a great big scaredcat though so perhaps she knows it would just frighten me, I don't know.
I tried going to a medium once, but didn't really find anything out that couldn't have been explained by statistics - she said there was something about a horse and I dismissed it but then I got home and remembered my Dad had fallen off a horse in Australia just a few months ago - but that is quite vague really.
I would love some advice from anyone here who has experienced it and/or can recommend it. (No stupid comments, please, this is quite sensitive subject for me as I still miss my mum desperately).
Regards
Rachel
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I have never been to psychic, hadn't considered it ever, but I would never close myself off to anything in life. I agree with the poster that said he wasn't arrogant enough to think he knows everything.
Aside from psychics, has anyone ever experienced *knowing* that a particular document was right before opening it?
I occasionally find that when I going through documents on ancestry, that get a feeling that *this one* that I am opening is the right one. That feeling has never been wrong. It doesn't happen often, but when it does, it's right.
I have found it to be weird, and just wondered if anyone else experiences something similar.
Like someone else said, you shouldn't rely on that gut instinct or what a psychic says, but it can give some direction for further investigation.
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I occasionally find that when I going through documents on ancestry, that get a feeling that *this one* that I am opening is the right one. That feeling has never been wrong. It doesn't happen often, but when it does, it's right.
Hi,
I'd love to experience that, I have often 'felt' that an ancestor was going to be the right one or been drawn to a particular name when scanning through something - unfortunately my instinct has been wrong every time so far :-\ I am, perhaps, not as 'in tune' as I'd like to be.
Regards
Rachel
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There is a book "Psychic Roots" Serendipity & Intuition in Genealogy
By henry Z Jones Jr who wa sa character actor for Disney and others.
A collection of responses to the question "is some unseen force guiding you to the clues in family History"
I must admit I hadnt really considerd that ancestors could be watching you 'stalking' them on the internet.
I guess it gives more motivation to be accurate and hypothesize about them in the best possible light
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I must admit I`ve had the feeling that a particular person has been my relative and have been right, but only on one branch of the family. This has happened twice.
I have my eye on one particular marriage that I `feel` is mine but it is two generations back from where I`m at now - time will tell.
I did have a strange thing happen to me years ago. It was my first visit to my new boyfriend`s family home. I was upstairs in the bathroom, and thought he was behind me. I was chatting away when the hairs on the back of my neck stood on end. I asked a question and waited for the answer, when none came, I went outside and looked for the boyfriend...he wasn`t there. I told him that I thought he had been behind me. About a month later he told me that his Mother had died when he was young, she had collapsed on the landing outside the bathroom door.
Maybe she was checking me out to see if I was good enough for her son !!
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I was just re-visiting my old posts when I came upon this one about "psychic genealogy" and mentioned some facts a psychic had told me about my Grandfather, Harry. Do I now have a little bit of egg on my face? Having done a lot more research I did discover Harry had married for a third time, and although I could find no evidence of a child born in France, he did in fact have three other children!! Sadly my Dad's half brother died just after I made contact with his 'new' family, but I am corresponding with my Dad's half sisters!! Spooky - or what?
Has any other RootsChatter come this "close"??
Siouxie366
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Hi all
I came across this post the other day - I would like to add a story here but think it may come under the category of "Spooky genealogy". Many years ago I made a trip with my Mum & Auntie to the City of London cemetery in Little Ilford. My mum had it in her mind to visit a number of cemeteries where some of her family were buried. (I was only a teen at the time and genealogy was not really on my mind). I remember visiting the cemetery office where Mum & Auntie were given directions and a plot number. Now I don't know if any of you have been to this cemetery but it is just vast - we looked and looked and really just could not find this grave. As I was looking I became aware in my peripheral vision of a woman dressed in a long dark dress standing behind me and diagonally to my right shoulder, near a tree. I turned around to get a better look - and you guessed it there was no one there. I was finding nothing where I had been looking even tho' I had followed the directions given by the office. I decided to look near the tree where I had seen the lady standing. Mmmm, you guessed it - there was the grave we had been looking for containing my great-grandmother & great grandfather. It didn't feel spooky at the time, but I am thankful she gave us a helping had because I don't think we would have looked over by that tree.
I have also (once or twice) thought it would be great to contact a medium or spiritualist but never felt brave enough. My other thought was to try hypnosis - as I know I have been told by my Grandad (again as a teenager) the names of his father, grandfather etc. I seem to remember him reeling off about four names and for the life of me I just can't remember what they are!
I guess I will just have to keep trying with more conventional methods!
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as I know I have been told by my Grandad (again as a teenager) the names of his father, grandfather etc.
You don't need pyschics or hynosis to find out that information. Get your grandad's birth or marriage certificate that should show his father, then get his grandfather's marriage or birth cert. By now you are probably back to at least 1911 and can search for the family in the various census.
Lizzie
ps. You probably knew that anyway. ;D
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I need only say one word that may make hypnosis look like great option "Irish" ;)
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I need only say one word that may make hypnosis look like great option "Irish"
Aahh. Now I understand. I've given up on my husband's Irish ancestors. ::)
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ooooohhhhhhhhhooooo
sylvia
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James Speight
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Bolton Le Sands Lancashire
Father James Speight
James Speight 28 Jan 1776Bolton Le Sands Lancashire 1776
Benjamin Speight 9 Aug 1778 "
Thomas Speight 17 May 1781 '
John " 28 Jan 1776
not sure if this is any help
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Well, I to have just looked at this post, and feel a bit foolish.
I consulted a medium-clairvoyant re my position at moment,she kept asking what about Peter and John they are here , do you recognise them???,as to present situation and said NO !!!
But as some of you may know from some of my posts-LATER I was reminded-that I am searching my Peter Lunt's birth-but I was so involved with what happening now-I said no!!
Well, spookkily or not recently have been contacted by very distant cousin??? re family and have aquired a whole lot of definite info and family registers re my Peter and his father----- my clairvoyant now I realis e is good-but she did say think about it !!!
Elsa-Mary
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I certainly hope our departed relations are looking over us.
My grandfather who died a number of years before I was born was a medium and so was his grandmother. I heard he was very good at what he did, but he never liked being in full room and would take himself off to his bedroom. I only just learnt via a friend that people with these skills have trouble turning off the spirit voices, I wonder a few years back they would of been considered as mentally unwell?
Anyway my mother came through in a reading, the medium was very correct in details. I did not want a future reading just a little chat with mum. The medium also said about my grandmother and how she would also have card readings as a young women, I never thought my grandmother believed in this stuff, but my Aunt confirmed this for me.
Oh yes genealogy was also said about, and how many people I would find. The spirits like to be remembered, and I think we have the job to do that.
I put my cousin onto the same lady, and she was totally blown away. Her father came through, said his name, and every detail on how he met his wife, right down to the clothes and bright red lipstick.
I still question some so called mediums, some people are only in it to make money and spin a story. But there certainly are some good ones out there, it is just finding them first.
Suzy W
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If only I could find a Psychic or someone like that to help me out, I would do it in a flash.
I am tired of looking through everything Irish and Scottish to find the parents of my g-g-grandfather b1810 in Northern Ireland. Particularly annoying as I have found one set of his grandparents.
I have proof of where he was born on his death certificate.
Bev
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Look in the early posts of this thread and send a pm.
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Maybe I need a little help finding what happened to my Edmund Tew who was a 16 year old convict. Disappeared of the face of the earth, not even any Rootschat experts have traced him.
Or maybe he does not want to be found after 150 years. :(
Then again aren't we meant to be re-born after a while?
Suzy W
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If only I could find a Psychic or someone like that to help me out, I would do it in a flash.
Likewise. Some of the reports here sound convincing. I have looked in my local area for people who might be able to assist in this sort of thing, but I don't like the look of any of them. Does anyone have any recommendations in the Shropshire/Powys area?
I also came across this woman (http://www.genspirit.com/genealogy-psychic.htm). I looked into her a bit and found out she was promoting her site with spam. Not something I really associate with those who are attuned to higher levels of existence. Her offer of a free, totally unrelated and tacky book also doesn't do much for her credibility.
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http://katestrong.com/readings.html
This is the lady I have used before. Now she is very good but lives in New Zealand. She does take the plastic card ;D, and has done readings for people in America.
Funny how they are all take the visa now. I was once told a good medium would never charge!!!
Yes some are odd looking, as I said some people are not the real thing.
Kate is also a lady who can not step foot out of her front door without being bombarded with voices, so she stays home a lot.
Suzy W
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Thanks,
My scepticism is raised due to her having affiliate links to various apparent swindles and baloney info-products.
One of them subtitles herself as a "money-manifesting expert and financial alchemist". Again, this is not the sort of thing I would expect from people in touch with higher realms of existence etc.
I will give her a try though if I can't find anyone local.
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She is a little pricey now. I do not bother too much with readings, had two done, there are spirits that get to know you well and can tell lies or say things you want to hear, or in my sisters case she try's and lives out what is said, that is not me, life has to take it's course intended.
The first lady I saw was amazing as things she said have came true, right down to a accident with a bus, (my friends 12 year old daughter was killed 3 years ago by being blown into the path of a oncoming bus :'(
I never go into the money side or anything like that, my goodness we would all be very rich from lotto, anyway I do not think the spirit world allows that kind of thing.
Kate can find things, does one answer to a question or a full reading. One word of warning, she does get very upset easy and her work can be affected. The earthquake we had sent her into a spin.
There must be someone local to you? Just has to be word of mouth with finding a good one, or your local spiritual church, I know they do free readings here on certain days (local papers have dates).
Lisa Williams is coming here, I would love to see her show. I went to some other British medium show and found him a little off key, or maybe it was the people he spoke too, they did not let any secrets out, but after the show they were interviewed and said this man was correct.
We have had ghosts in our house some years ago, and my son spoke to them quite often, I think he has the gift of his great grandfather. It is a little spooky, and made a believer out of my hubby whom never believed in such things until he saw one himself and put his hand right through the spirit. We had the house blessed and have lived in a happy household for 9 years, no more ghosts. And to top it all off, with the earthquake, my son's room was the only room in the house that never had any damage.
Suzy W
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Thanks for your further advice. I found a local spiritualist church and have contacted them.
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Cool, that is the way to go. And maybe a free reading and healing if needed.
Suzy W
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Lets us know how it went.
Suzy W
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I have a grandfather on my mother's side for wom I have been searching for over 10 years now.
I have all but given up any hope of finding his birth record or knowing who his parents were. Is it possible that psychic research may help?
This link to a post on the Irish Cork forum sets out the situation:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,483054.0.html
He was known as "Jack" Hamilton
Please help me Obiwan, you're my only hope.
Shaun
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I occasionally find that when I going through documents on ancestry, that get a feeling that *this one* that I am opening is the right one. That feeling has never been wrong. It doesn't happen often, but when it does, it's right.
Hi,
I'd love to experience that, I have often 'felt' that an ancestor was going to be the right one or been drawn to a particular name when scanning through something - unfortunately my instinct has been wrong every time so far :-\ I am, perhaps, not as 'in tune' as I'd like to be.
Regards
Rachel
I was searching a graveyard for a grave a few years back, not the most logically set out graveyard, the numbers didnt seem to correspond to any system I could work out!
I was getting tired, frustrated & cold looking, and as I often do I was muttering away at myself.
I remember quite clearly saying "I'm sick of this now, why do my family hide away & make finding them so **** Difficult .......... will you just give up and SHOW me where you are **** hiding cos Ive had enough now!" (I told you I was fed up!)
I walked on a little bit more, n then I tripped over something put my hand out & when I looked down at the grave i steadied myself on I was standing right beside the grave I was searching for - and right beside it was another family grave I knew nothing about!
LOL needless to say I was totaly amazed, and not a little bit shaken up!
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Oo-er ... I hope you said "thank you"!
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I could do with something like that at the moment.
Some time ago now, I found some information on someone elses tree which stated that Mary Craigs' father was Alexander Craig and that she married Adam Forbes.
In the last 2-3 days I have actually found her daughters birth certificate which proves that Adam Forbes was indeed her father, but whilst he was already married and she was Illegitimate. Mary Craig was in Clatt Aberdeen, The Alexander Craig I mentioned was in Lanark and married a Margaret Booth there. So I am still no closer to finding Alexander and his wife, whoever she was and there are so many Mary Craigs born between 1720 and 1821 its unreal both Lanark and Aberdeenshire must have over two hundred of the bli.....rs
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Hi again,
I just had to search out this thread again because I've been really astounded at a discovery made today whilst looking through some 1939-1945 Civil Defence records put online by the Hull History Centre. Repository: Hull City Archives / Collection: Registration of personnel for Civil Defence Service
circa 2002 I made a visit to a phsychic and my notes had a mysterious "Hilda" who came to say hello and who was apparently "a friend of your father'.
It seemed to me that practically all my relations were Fire Wardens but one of my mother's sisters was missing. I knew she lived down the same street as us so I searched using the street name and up popped "Hilda" who not only lived a few doors away from us but also worked as a crane driver :o at the same factory as my dad who made them.
FIRE GUARD SECTION – PERSONNEL CARD
Reference No: C TYR/4/1/9915
Dates: 2 Feb 1942
Description:
Name: Donald
Home address: 61 Lamorna Avenue, Stoneferry, Hull
Place of work: Priestmans Ltd, Hull
Occupation: Engineers fitter
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FIRE GUARD SECTION PERSONNEL CARD - Women
Reference No: C TYR/4/2/15441
Dates: c.1939-1945
Description:
Name: Hilda
Home address: 47 Lamorna Avenue, Chamberlain Road, Hull
Place of work: Priestman Bros, Williamson Street, Hull
Occupation: Crane Driver
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I have just read all your posts with great interest. Yes there are a lot of "fake" mediums out there who will take your money and tell you any old rubbish. There are also a lot of "genuine" mediums who do this work to bring comfort, healing and evidence of survival after physical death to people.
No they are not "nutters" but people from all walks of life who spend many years developing this gift.
I would suggest to anyone really interested to go along to their local Spiritualist Church/Centre - yes Spiritualism is a recognised religion in this country - and usually for a very small donation they may be very surprised at what they learn.
On the lighter side its not a short cut to genealogy - you have to do this for yourself as we all know.
Dorrie
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Scotland has always been open to the Spiritual world. My gg grandmother was known as a Scottish Fay, this has been past down to many family members. Her son (my great grandfather) started the first Spiritual Church here in New Zealand. Sadly a few nut cases do go there now, all about hugging trees and some very odd behavior, totally different to what it is really all about. I think the real spiritualist can see through all that. ;D
I wonder what Hilda wanted? And really why such a attachment?
Suzy W
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I wonder what Hilda wanted? And really why such a attachment?
Suzy W
I haven't the foggiest notion Suzy. My memory isn't very good these days but she must have known me as a baby until we moved away in the 1940s, then we probably acknowledged each other when I worked at Priestman's myself in the late 1950s-1960s. There were nearly 1,000 people working for that company but I do recall there being 3 ladies working on the machines on the shop floor who had apparently been employed there during the war.
Amazingly, one chap who "came through" was my school's blind piano tuner who also tuned my grandfather's piano. "Children aren't as polite as they used to be" was his message How on earth he "found" me after half a century had passed by is a mystery, plus I didn't even live in the same county as the rest of my family.
P.S. Even though my memory isn't too good, I think I must be a good conduit. This was borne out a few years back when my daughter took me to a tarot card reader and she couldn't stop commenting on the "crowd" I'd brought with me - apparently she'd never experienced anything like it before.
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Maybe I need a little help finding what happened to my Edmund Tew who was a 16 year old convict. Disappeared of the face of the earth, not even any Rootschat experts have traced him.
Or maybe he does not want to be found after 150 years. :(
Then again aren't we meant to be re-born after a while?
Suzy W
I'm convinced there are people who want to be found and people who don't!
Not sure about "psychics" to be honest but do believe in psychic phenomenon
I am amazed at how often I locate people close to a significant date
e.g. just yesterday I located an ancestor for someone, and her birthday was today
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I am amazed at how often I locate people close to a significant date
e.g. just yesterday I located an ancestor for someone, and her birthday was today
That happens to me very often too and never ceases to give me goose bumps. I must have stumbled upon the baptism, marriage or death record on the exact anniversary dozens of times now, which makes me feel it is more than just coincidence.
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I am amazed at how often I locate people close to a significant date
e.g. just yesterday I located an ancestor for someone, and her birthday was today
That happens to me very often too and never ceases to give me goose bumps. I must have stumbled upon the baptism, marriage or death record on the exact anniversary dozens of times now, which makes me feel it is more than just coincidence.
I'm a bit thick as I never attributed imminent birthdays as a trigger to finding ancestors. This might explain my latest finding. A few days ago I changed my avatar on another website to commemorate by mother's 28th October birthday and not long afterwards found "Hilda" who used to live near us. This prompted me to come onto rootschat to comment on it and, of course, I looked on the homepage, followed a link and as a direct result found myself reading the history of St. Andrews Castle in Fife where it dawned on me that some psychic genealogy clues I'd been given a decade ago could apply to my mother's English roots and not my paternal grandmother's Edinburgh roots as I'd originally thought. A stepmother in her line was a "Helen Knox" and I'm pretty sure that the clues I was given referred to John Knox the Reformer. I didn't research Helen because she's not my bloodline. One of the clues I'd been given was "St. Andrews", I know of St. Andrews the golf course and as one of my father's schools was a St. Andrew church, Glasgow, I knew about that too, but I didn't know there was a St. Andrews Castle that was once the abode of Scottish Bishops and had come under attack at a time when there was a tussle between the Catholics and Presbyterians in the 1500s.
Here's the short notes I made of the clues I followed at the time:-
*He's big in the church
*Edinburgh,(Knox lived i Edinburgh for a time)
*waving incense - high church in your family
*St. Andrews
*County Durham (Durham Cathedral was built by Catholic Queen Ann - it's now Presbyterian and John Knox preached there)
*Elizabeth, she's walking towards an old turret and there's stairs inside, - looks like a church. There's a man standing there wearing a hat (she made gestures to describe the hat) he's dressed in burgundy with gold and underneath he's wearing a white robe.portraits of bishops show clothe similar to the description)
*"People are hiding there, I can see them coming out from behind chairs. Elizabeth helps people. She helps poor people, she takes food to poor people."
*Presbyterian, Catholic "I can't make out whether his name is Rochester or it's a place Rochester" (Knox was offered the Bishopric of Rochester which he turned down)
* "Have you got a blood disease in yur family"? (NO)
* There's a connection to Royalty
* "I'm now on the River Thames, Henry V and Henry VI
* I must have protested about any Royalty connection at this stage because my next note is "Be open minded"
"Seal on piece of paper.
*Gwynne
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At the time I didn't connect those notes with these notes:-
*Lucy Yorkshire born Lucy Speight b1854 was my grandmother's mother
*Richmond / Egerton (Edgerton?) / Yorkshire
Westmoreland
Bowes museum - you've been there
Windsor - you've been there
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John Knox had a connection through marriage to the Bowes family. (Windsor = Bowes-Lyon = Queen Mother).
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I haven't taken Lucy Speight's line back further than the late 1700s and so far there's no Bowes in the line. However, she is descended from an "Askin" which could lead back to the "Aske" family which in turn is linked to the Bowes family.
from Wiki:- Elizabeth Bowes (née Aske) (1505 – c.1572) was an English Protestant exile, and a follower of John Knox, her son-in-law.
Was this the Elizabeth who helped the poor people?
I hope some of you found this interesting :D :o
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Aske is not a common name, and I am a little surprised to find that Elizabeth Aske was an English protestant exile. If she was a kinswoman of Robert Aske, lawyer and participant in the Pilgrimage of Grace 1536 then it is no surprise that she was in exile in Scotland, but the Pilgrimage was Catholic to its core.
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As I apparently had at least two ancestors who were into spiritualism, and mediums, I must've done something wrong - never a clue has "magically" come through! Mind you, never expected any to!
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Rena
I love the connections! I am convinced that there is something about dates that make links stronger - I originally thought it was because I searched around the time of birthdays or anniversaries because my software reminded me of the people. Then I noticed that I was finding people that I was previously unaware of on, or near dates that were significant for them.
If only my elusive Rita would make herself known to me!
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Before I comment I will say I am like an earlier poster (paraphrased) ''I don't subscribe to the theory but I keep an open mind as to possibilities''
When I first saw the title to this I wondered if it was going to be about those name collectors who put someone in because '' it feels right''
Yet I really cant complain as I am not convinced on one possible link because '' it doesn't pass the smell test'' - something is telling me I need to be cautious in adding this name to my list.
Yet I can spot that it is good scientific reasoning behind this. Check check check and only enter the data you have. Not what you might have. Its the same as looking for something. By continuing to look you narrow your search parameters until you find what you want. So when someone says '' I stumbled upon the gravestone'' it could well be '' I looked everywhere and this was my last possibility.'' Yet no psychic link would have been made if it was found first.
''something told me to look here'' could well be the brain working away in the background connecting information and experiences until a thought forms.
Well wasn't that a bucket of cold water :)
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Eerily, I have just looked up some information based on a request on this site and eventually found reference to a family headstone - LINK (http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/dublin/photos/tombstones/mt-jerome-69/target25.html)
The lady's birthdate was October 13th 1834 - 181 years ago today!
Hopefully she'll be found to fit into someone's family tree. ;D
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http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=134170.msg5558124#msg5558124
Another thread "Spooky experiences while researching"
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Before I comment I will say I am like an earlier poster (paraphrased) ''I don't subscribe to the theory but I keep an open mind as to possibilities''
When I first saw the title to this I wondered if it was going to be about those name collectors who put someone in because '' it feels right''
Yet I really cant complain as I am not convinced on one possible link because '' it doesn't pass the smell test'' - something is telling me I need to be cautious in adding this name to my list.
Yet I can spot that it is good scientific reasoning behind this. Check check check and only enter the data you have. Not what you might have. Its the same as looking for something. By continuing to look you narrow your search parameters until you find what you want. So when someone says '' I stumbled upon the gravestone'' it could well be '' I looked everywhere and this was my last possibility.'' Yet no psychic link would have been made if it was found first.
''something told me to look here'' could well be the brain working away in the background connecting information and experiences until a thought forms.
Well wasn't that a bucket of cold water :)
Not really ;D
Agreed it's always best to check everything as thoroughly as possible especially when there's a gap in the early church bmd records. I probably won't be taking my Speight line any further back because of the awful church records that do still exist, all due to the vicars in the local Yorkshire churches who entered minimal details. An example of baptisms were "William s of William". No mention of occupation or of the child's mother. This isn't good enough when a father called William has seven sons in a span of say 25 years and each son names his first son William. This means that there's seven entries of seven cousins called William who each name a son in favour of its grandfather, the original William. There's a big query about whether all those seven Williams actually had a son, what if one or two only had girls and some of the baptisms were for "spare" or "replace" Williams? Additionally due to the original 25 year span where a cousin could be aged 20 or 45+, how can one be sure the new father is of the same generation?
As for your querying the cemetery experiences, etc. Scientists have gone some way to recognising the functions of some parts of the brain and actually acknowledge there's one part of the brain that could be related to a sixth sense but as yet haven't got conclusive proof. If that part of the brain holds centuries of inherited memory cells then that could explain being pulled towards a grave and it could even explain why somebody "sees" (a memory of?) a figure near a grave. Memory cells don't explain why some people appear to "see" into the future though.
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Just found this thread, is there a psychic / medium here who we can ask for help please ?
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That would be brilliant IF it worked.
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or add to this The inheritance of memory genes (http://discovermagazine.com/2013/may/13-grandmas-experiences-leave-epigenetic-mark-on-your-genes)
hmmm.......
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Re dates - I think if you're in a room of 26 people, then statistically two people will share the same birthday.
If you think you've probably 250-350 people on your tree, who each have a birth, marriage, death, then you're probably looking at a pool of 1000 dates, or 3/day of the year. You can probably additionally add in a baptism date and a burial date. So 5 dates/person, even if they didn't marry twice.
Statistically, you're probably really likely to stumble across one of those people's significant dates at about the same time as an anniversary of them.
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I think that is likely to be distorted since in the UK at any rate, 2thirds of all births occur in the first five months of the year, with the peak in March-April
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I think that is likely to be distorted since in the UK at any rate, 2thirds of all births occur in the first five months of the year, with the peak in March-April
That is a very interesting statistic............
I checked all the significant dates on my calendar for 2015 which includes family & friends birthdays and a few wedding anniversaries.
20 from January to end of May, including 9 in March and April.
44 from June to end of December, 21 of which are in June and July.
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Supposed link to Christians not having sex during Lent and Advent
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Supposed link to Christians not having sex during Lent and Advent
Fair comment........... except neither of those causes a boom in March and April surely ???
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The association with spring births was supposedly summer festivals from midsummer in June to the autumn equinox in August!
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That makes sense, with the Spring festivals being all about fertility. ;)
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And September is supposed to point to New Years Eve the year before!?
Jeanne
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When I was 17yrs old my dad died a few weeks later I called to pick up a friend as we were going out, I had never been to my friends house and on knocking at the door a lady opened it who I assumed was his mother and invited me in. The house was full of people all chatting, drinking coffee and nibbles and I apologised for disturbing her "party" was told, "its OK, all welcome" and a cup put in my hand, my friend appeared and pointed out his mum a lady the other side of the room chatting with a group of people, he said " this is one of her meetings, she is a clairvoyant" and took me over to meet her....... me in shock as it was not what I expected ( not sure what I expected though)
She said hello, asked where we were off to and then immediately started telling me about my dad and my grandparents ( grandpa died when I was 5yrs old and my grandma had died when my dad was 4yrs old and I knew NOTHING about her not even her name) so when she mentioned my grandmother by her given name I had no idea if it was correct or not and have to say I was more interested about what she said about my dad ( all of which was 100% correct) then off she went to talk to others and we left to meet other friends.
It was years later when I began to research and when I found my grandmother name that chance meeting years before immediately came into my head, she had given me the correct name of my grandmother, Oh how I wished then I had listened to the other information she gave me and would have dearly loved to have returned to speak to her again but never did...life moves on, I was married living in another county and couldn't even remember the particular house we went to.
So I am definitely open to physic genealogy my concern is the many people who claim they can do it but......... ???
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My meetings were with a member of the local spiritualist church who gave private readings. I was so impressed at a first meeting that I phoned up and asked if she'd be willing to try to help with my family history tree.
My daughter was the first to have a reading and she showed me her notes. One of which was:
"Jim - need to sort my life out - it's like the bird's nest." ???
Jim was the name of one of her grandfathers. When I queried what the note about the bird nest could be, my daughter said that a couple of sparrows had built a nest on a narrow ledge inside the glass lean-to outside her kitchen door but because it wasn't secure it had fallen to the floor when half built. :o
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I think there may have been a co-relation between weddings in the spring and births in the first quarter. My statistics are based on some research I did over 20 years ago to determine the effect of retiring railway staff taking their annual leave in their year of retirement at a time of their choosing rather than immediately before their retirement date, which was causing a staff shortage in late March and April. Agreeing to this did lessen the effects; many of the staff concerned then took their terminal leave immediately after the new year, when there was less traffic around. Result less cancelled trains and for once I got my head patted, instead of my backside kicked as was the norm. Always had a problem keeping my mouth shut!
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A half sister to my father was a spiritualist she talked to my mother who was in London miles from home, she told my mum that her youngest sister had something wrong with the top of her leg. She had peritonitis and died age eight. Very sad, Mum went to London to get married and not help to look after her younger siblings !!
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Hi Ilulkea and Rena,
Read your posts with great interest and pleased you both got something positive from your "encounter."
I have been involved with Spiritualism for nearly 30 years and I would stress that no true medium can guarantee to bring through a particular person. Spirit people, like us, have freedom of choice and can choose to come through or not at a particular time. Also its not an exact science and is always an experiment.
Please do not waste your money on an expensive private reading but get the name of a reputable medium from your local Spiritualist Church.
Many won't agree with my religion but its a personal thing and we all have to make up our own minds.
As to mediums being able to help directly with genealogy - I have my doubts. As for me I will continue to do my research in the usual way - brick walls and all.
Dorrie
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I think there may have been a co-relation between weddings in the spring and births in the first quarter. My statistics are based on some research I did over 20 years ago to determine the effect of retiring railway staff taking their annual leave in their year of retirement at a time of their choosing rather than immediately before their retirement date, which was causing a staff shortage in late March and April. Agreeing to this did lessen the effects; many of the staff concerned then took their terminal leave immediately after the new year, when there was less traffic around. Result less cancelled trains and for once I got my head patted, instead of my backside kicked as was the norm. Always had a problem keeping my mouth shut!
Love this - a colleague of mine each year had to calculate the cost of maternity leave in the following year to the company!
He had to analyse based on age, status, no. of children, etc. which was not necessarily accurate or scientific!
From 2016 in Ireland there will be paternity leave - may need some psychic guidance for that!
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Love this - a colleague of mine each year had to calculate the cost of maternity leave in the following year to the company!
He had to analyse based on age, status, no. of children, etc. which was not necessarily accurate or scientific!
The question has to be, what was his accuracy level of predictions ::)
Did he have a crystal ball, or perhaps use tarot cards? :P
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In a way that would not be acceptable today he used to ask one morning - "well ladies, anyone intending to reproduce next year?"!
He was actually quite good at predicting based on excluding those too young or too old, those with more than three children already, factoring in gossip and hearsay....... ;)
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?? And looking at an average of the previous X years ??
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Hi Ilulkea and Rena,
Read your posts with great interest and pleased you both got something positive from your "encounter."
I have been involved with Spiritualism for nearly 30 years and I would stress that no true medium can guarantee to bring through a particular person. Spirit people, like us, have freedom of choice and can choose to come through or not at a particular time. Also its not an exact science and is always an experiment.
Please do not waste your money on an expensive private reading but get the name of a reputable medium from your local Spiritualist Church.
Many won't agree with my religion but its a personal thing and we all have to make up our own minds.
As to mediums being able to help directly with genealogy - I have my doubts. As for me I will continue to do my research in the usual way - brick walls and all.
Dorrie
I quite agree about wasting money. My father thought they were all charlatans from his experience of having to accompany his mother to gatherings after his father died when he was 16 in the 1920s. It was his belief that the spiritualists had helpers who listened to conversations in the queue and would pass on the details thus there were the "clues" that anyone in the audience could relate to.
Then there was my own experience at the local fair when a group of us teenagers sat in a caravan and had our palms read, coincidentally all had the same future foretold of each meeting a rich and handsome beau and living happily ever after. Roll forward four decades and I was invited to a wine and cake evening where there'd be a tarot card reading. The reading given by a young woman who who was taking her first step towards making a living reading the cards and the guests were all her friends. As the evening progressed it seemed obvious to me that all the young women had heard more or less the same thing in that they were "not happy" with their lot and life would continue to be dissatisfying. I was the last to have a reading - I thought I was probably having the same message given to me that the other guests had been given but as I wasn't her idea of a disillusioned middle aged woman with a stale marriage, I stopped the reading and told her the reality. At that point she gathered up her cards, acknowledged she'd made an error and even returned my money ;D
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I suppose it is a bit difficult to get your head around the fact that I used a medium/clairvoyant/psychic as a tool to aid/confirm my research, especially after reading the above when it should be obvious I wasn't a believer and echoed my mother's words of,"When you're dead, you're dead, full stop". I think I've described on another thread how I came into contact with this person and it was another two years before I retired and eventually took up genealogy to find; "His pals called him Harry but he preferred his real name Henry .....died in the war" and it was many moons afterwards that I made my second visit with the intention of having more family clues to aid my new hobby.
As intimated I'd already asked if she could help with my research. Admittedly you have to be good at puzzles to work out the clues and here's an idea of what transpired:-
*"You will get help from Bury"....
not long afterward I surfed onto this site:- RootsChat.com, Europa House, Bury.
* They're all singing "The Lights of Old Aberdeen".
I could see there was an old song "The Northern Lights of Old Aberdeen" but neither the author or the singers had a familiar surname.
I knew from my brother-in-law that he had a tinsmith somewhere in his father's ancestry but didn't know any further details. I'd become member of "English & Scots Origins" and subsequently found his father's family up in Newcastle in 1881 with a wife from Aberdeen, Scotland. The marriage cert showed her surname and her birth showed she belonged to the Shirras tinsmith family of Old Machar, Aberdeen, that manufactured Lamps (lights) for collieries, etc.
Of course, I always add new surnames of interest to my rootschat profile and that's how a Findlay=-Shirras descendant eventually found me. Co-incidentally she made contact on RC when I was puzzling over a new list of clues and names given me by the clairvoyant. The place names were outside of the counties where any of my lines resided and the given and surnames weren't the usual "John" and "William" lol. I soon received a private email and from the county she purported to live in I guessed that some of the clues I'd been given could possibly belong to her and if they did this would strengthen/confirm a family attachment. I remember responding telling her I had a far fetched theory and did any of these "clues" belong to her. She replied the same day, Yes "Mary" had been her mother, yes "Harvey" was a family surname, "Yes", the family lived in the manor house in the northern town stated and Yes, "Bristol" was relevant as back in time the family had made "Harveys Bristol Cream Sherry".
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A note about dates - I have recently been transcribing gravestones for Billiongraves.com. I have noticed many times - sometimes many times in one day - that a lot of people die on or very close to their birthdays. I transcribed one gravestone where the husband and wife shared the same birth date and the husband died on that same date. They had also married on the same date.
This sort of thing happens to often to be a coincidence.
Rishile
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This report by
DAVID P. PHILLIPS, PHD; CAMILLA A. VAN VOORHEES, MD; & TODD E. RUTH
for Psychosomaticmedicine.org
This study of deaths from natural causes examined adult mortality around the birthday for two samples, totalling 2,745,149 people.
Women are more likely to die in the week following their birthdays than in any other week of the year. In addition, the frequency of female deaths dips below normal just before the birthday.
The results do not seem to be due to seasonal fluctuations, misreporting on the death certificate, deferment of life-threatening surgery, or behavioural changes associated with the birthday.
At present, the best available explanation of these findings is that females are able to prolong life briefly until they have reached a positive, symbolically meaningful occasion. Thus, the birthday seems to function as a 'lifeline' for some females.
In contrast, male mortality peaks shortly before the birthday, suggesting that the birthday functions as a 'deadline' for males.
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Thank you Myluck!
That also explains why men's death dates are usually just before Christmas and women's are usually just after but, again, there are a lot of deaths during the Christmas season.
Very interesting!
Rishile
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I'm sorry, I really can't imagine any of my long-gone rellies, including the ones interested in spiritualism / feeling they themselves were mediums, are really waiting to send me messages, if only I will go and shell out money to a medium! They, if anyone, should be able to get through on their own power .... if there was anything in it.
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I'm sorry, I really can't imagine any of my long-gone rellies, including the ones interested in spiritualism / feeling they themselves were mediums, are really waiting to send me messages, if only I will go and shell out money to a medium! They, if anyone, should be able to get through on their own power .... if there was anything in it.
I know what you mean, I haven't needed to visit a medium for several years because I just get these feelings when I see the right records. ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Hi, well I got hooked on this thread because I have a little story as well. Many years ago I'd been working on a great uncle who my father said had been "stabbed by a native". I have a photo of his overseas grave. I can't remember who told me but I was told to write to a lady, not give any information as such but just a general chat. She sent me a reply in which she said quite a few things which were correct but she couldn't have known. Then she said that a gentleman had drawn close and said "I wasn't killed, it merely happened." I knew straight away who she meant but I had no proof. Years later I found his son and I told him what my father said. He told me that was wrong and said his father dies of natural causes.
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What an interesting thread :D
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What an interesting thread :D
When I received the email notification that there was a response to the thread - I read the thread again and agree that it really is interesting.
I contributed to #112 and when I read it, I realised that I'd missed the relevance of the word "Pals", which I took to mean "Mates/chums", and had thus missed a clue about the place and era.
"His Pals called him Harry but he preferred his real name Henry .....died in the war"
Did any reader spot the clue?
Okay so Henry had been killed in a war but then, as I was a newbie to genealogy, I had no idea as to which generation he belonged and what war (Crimean, Napoleonic, Boer War, WWI, WWII).
At the time it was a daunting task trying to choose which Henry was "mine" out of a list of umpteen Henry's with his surname, when in actual fact if I'd known every town in WWI had a PALS battalion then I only had to choose from a list of three Henrys.
The Pals battalions of World War I were specially constituted battalions of the British Army comprising men who had enlisted together in local recruiting drives, with the promise that they would be able to serve alongside their friends, neighbours and colleagues
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Reading this thread has made me smile!
Where would I start if I wanted to ask for help? I have a specific problem that I am unable to solve (don't we all lol...) and that is of my pesky ancestors (they really were pesky, I'm not exaggerating!) evading my search!
On 2nd January 1861, my GG Grandad was born Alfred Cresswell SELWYN, in Hawley/Blackwater, Hampshire. His parents were Alfred John SELWYN and Emily SELWYN nee RAWLINS.
3 months later in April, they are nowhere on the 1861 census.
The following year, 20th September 1862, his sister was born Isabella Mary SELWYN, in Hoxton Middlesex (address 4 Haberdashers Place) to parents Alfred SELWYN and Emily SELWYN nee RAWLINGS.
The address from Isabella's birth was occupied by another family in the 1861 census so they must have arrived there between the census in April 1861 and September 1862.
I just want to know what happened, where were they and what made them move. They had 2 children between January 1861 and September 1862, and moved a considerable distance.
What sort of Psychic Genealogy options might there be for me to explore?
Thank you,
Regards
Rachel
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I'm worried that a medium (or someone who claims to be psychic) would tell me what he or she thinks I want to hear, rather than what I really want to know.
However, I keep hoping I can turn round and find a ghostly ancestor sitting on the sofa, who will tell me the true story. After all, we can find out quite a lot from birth registrations, baptismal records, censuses, and so on, but are they always the true biological relationships? There have been extra-marital affairs throughout the ages. It would certainly be very useful to be able to talk to the dead.
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I'm worried that a medium (or someone who claims to be psychic) would tell me what he or she thinks I want to hear, rather than what I really want to know.
However, I keep hoping I can turn round and find a ghostly ancestor sitting on the sofa, who will tell me the true story. After all, we can find out quite a lot from birth registrations, baptismal records, censuses, and so on, but are they always the true biological relationships? There have been extra-marital affairs throughout the ages. It would certainly be very useful to be able to talk to the dead.
I now feel though, that genealogy/family history is much much more than just genetics. It is also who raised whom. A "not parent expected" in a DNA result does not alter the fact that man or woman is still part of your family history and did all the hard work in raising your ancestor, and sharing the same surname.
For instance if a James Bloggs and Ellen Smith had a relationship in a small Suffolk village, and he got her pregnant in January 1864, then took fright at upcoming fatherhood and emigrated to Australia. A local man, Joe Soap, who knew Ellen then stepped in and married Ellen while she was about 6 months pregnant, in July 1864, and the baby was born in October 1864, and was registered as the son/daughter of the new husband Joe Soap, and took his name and was then raised by Joe, then Joe Soap was the father in every way but biology.
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I certainly did not believe in mediums/clairvoyants when my daughter arranged for us to visit one. I took a tape recorder to make sure that I didn't feed her any information, which would be indicated on the recording.
My daughter received a recommendation about the medium that we visited and that's what I would stipulate. Either get a recommendation from a friend or go along with a tape recorder to make sure you don't give out information that can be used.
The person we went to belonged to the then local Spiritualist church. Anyone can attend the church and apparently messages are received during the meetings.
I was very fortunate with that medium but she eventually stopped doing readings, When I first visited I was instructed not to say a word, so I didn't react when I recognised her mentioning Manchester United (Just 3 weeks before he died my late OH and I had watched MU in the local watering hole & we'd laughed when I kept mentioning I wouldn't put X onto the field - X scored a hat trick) and again I didn't react when she mentioned a "Pilot Case" (I'd given one to my late OH as a present one year.) That lady gave names and a clue to the name, except there was no name when she said "Apple blossom". My late mother was always singing "I'll be seeing you in Apple Blossom time". Daughter and I then visited a nearby town to see a woman who shuffled playing cards and read them. I didn't get much genealogy information that I didn't already know from her. For instance. she told me that she was receiving the information about a land belonging to Old Monks. In olden days monks did own large tracts of land but my ancestors did actually live in "Old Monkland". During her readings I looked down and saw I had doodled a wheel on a tripod, which I laughingly remarked on to the card reader. Your ancestor worked on the steam engines in a coal mine was her response. Correct: My ancestors worked for the Clyde Ironworks, which was next to a coal field. Unfortunately I wasn't given parents names which I still need to know and confirm.
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Whatever coombs may say, I maintain that genealogy is about genes.
We can record adoptive parents (and adopted children) if we want,
but we should make it clear that that's what they are,
even if it was a secret at the time. But how do we know?: that's the problem.
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"I maintain that genealogy is about genes."
If all you want is a studbook, that's the way to go.
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"I maintain that genealogy is about genes."
If all you want is a studbook, that's the way to go.
I agree, OK an adoptive ancestor may not have your genes, but if someone raised a child as their own, they are a huge part of your family tree. And usually they shared the same surname and grew up with their traits, ethics, and that adoptive parent did all the hard work.
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And usually they shared the same surname and grew up with their traits, ethics, and that adoptive parent did all the hard work.
Our adopted son is totally different to the rest of his siblings (children I gave birth to), apart from the fact that he knows whatever happens he has to go to work and work hard for a living.
On the other hand, the daughter I had when I was single and was adopted is nothing like me or the rest of my children. In fact she is not even like her adoptive parents although she is very similar to her brother (born to her adoptive parents after they adopted her).
So it's not all nature versus nurture.
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I think the most astonishing visit I made to the medium who said she didn't tell "fortunes", was the list I made of one visit, when I took a notebook with me. . The first notes I'd made were "Off to the Cotswolds" - I'd heard of the Cotswolds but didn't know where they were. Then there was a list of names that on first sight I couldn't relate any of them to my family, such as "Bristol, Harvey, Mary, etc, etc."
Not long afterwards I had a message on Rootschat about the Findlay Shirras family that I was researching. A newbie sent me a message where the first sentence was "Off to the Cotswolds, I'll contact you when I return"
I sent a response and listed all the names I'd been given. She recognised every one of the names. Apparently her mother's name was Mary and her children had links to Harveys Bristol Cream sherry (lol).
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Bristol, Harvey, Mary, Cotswolds ...!!!
All of those items occur in my tree. My mother (Mary!) was from Bristol! Her paternal ancestors had come to Bristol from the Cotswolds! Castle Combe! What could be more classically Cotswoldy? And she liked Harvey's Bristol Cream, too! Plus, the surname Harvey crops up in my tree more than once.
There's nothing 'psychic' about it, though. Doesn't everyone have at least one Mary in their tree? There were hundreds of thousands, probably millions, of Marys connected to Bristol, and a lot of those Marys had roots in the Cotswolds because, as it grew, the city drew is population from nearby rural areas. And Harvey - well, that's a common surname which is also often used as a forename. Harveys are a dime a dozen.
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Bristol, Harvey, Mary, Cotswolds ...!!!
All of those items occur in my tree. My mother (Mary!) was from Bristol! Her paternal ancestors had come to Bristol from the Cotswolds! Castle Combe! What could be more classically Cotswoldy? And she liked Harvey's Bristol Cream, too! Plus, the surname Harvey crops up in my tree more than once
I'm reminded of a saying my father was fond of, which was:-
"Do you want a story or a fight"? :-) :-) :-)
I too have scores of Marys. but unlike you and the other lady they had no connection to alcohol or the Shirras family. Explain how or why the woman mentioned the Pilot Case - in fact how many people have heard of a pilot case?
. I really should dig out my notebook to be factual about my notes.. My OH died 1999 aged 61, which would be when our daughter started to try to contact her dad and maybe see what the future held for her children. I recall an item when the TV news announced somebody in the USA was sending envelopes of white powder to people. At that annual visit I had made a note of "Philadelphia". I thought possibly my cousin might have moved there from Florida. Eventually, the American police announced that a tutor in a Philadelphia college had been sending what could be anthrax in the post to people he disagreed with..
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I always wanted a direct ancestor who had spent time abroad or who had died abroad, and I then found one ancestor who went to America from the UK in 1886 to live out his final years with 2 married daughters, and one ancestor sent to Australia in 1791. After all, US and Australian shows were very popular in the UK in the 1970s, 1980s and 1990s, and still are. (Dallas, Neighbours, Home And Away etc)
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I parted with some cash about twenty years ago and had a session with a psychic. Never thought to ask her family history questions, though, and am still stuck on my direct paternal ancestor born ca 1799.
She did mention seeing me surrounded by books and within a couple of months I was hired on at a bookstore. Not long after that I got back to teaching, lots of books there, too.
I had been separated for a couple of years and wanted to know about possible romances. She said “I see an American flag”, which puzzled me as my ex was born across the U.S. border in Vermont to Canadian parents. Figured she was confused, but two and a half years later I met OH, who was born in the US. I can’t recall meeting any other men born in the States ( eligible or otherwise)in those years.