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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Kent => Topic started by: Stangat on Monday 11 January 10 19:26 GMT (UK)
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Hi All
A bit of a long shot but...
One of my ancestors was Ann Griggs b 1777 in St Lawrence, Ramsgate. I have checked the records in Cantebury and found she was the daughter of George Griggs and Elizabeth. Through ancestry I have found numerous people have George as being born in Birchington in 1735 but I can't find any proof he is the correct person. I haven't been able to confirm it with any ancestry member as yet. I trawled through countless parish records and came up with two George's, this one and another born in 1744.
My question is how would anyone proceed from here? I know Ann had a sister called Elizabeth and her line is well documented including her son being transported for wrecking a threshing machine. I would like to go further back with Ann and they all seem so sure, but I can't help being sceptical.
Ian
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Hi. Would this Ann Griggs be the Ann who married John Blackburn in 1802? If so, then I've noticed the same problem in that I can't without a doubt prove things...although most other researchers seem to point towards this connection with Birchington. Who would this 1744 George you mention be? I've not come accross him before, and am naturally curious as I personally feel his age there would be a bit more logical at least.
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Hi Simon
I'm sure my Ann didn't marry John Blackburn. I spent a very busy but really enjoyable day in the Canterbury Archives last year (staff were very friendly and helpful) and did lots of searching. Ann was born in St Lawrence on 29/9/1777 and christened a week later on 5/10/1777. Her parents were George and Elizabeth. The records also gave out Elizabeth 1774, William 1775, Sarah 1781 and Mary 1783. They were all of George and Elizabeth.
I found George and Elizabeth's marriage in St Lawrence on 4/11/1773. George was of the Parish and Elizabeth was of St John in Thanet (Margate). This all fits for Elizabeth's birth, 1st daug named after mother and 10 mths after.
The Ann Griggs that married John Blackburn according to someone's tree on ancestry was a widow of a Richard Potts. The Potts marriage was in 1789 making my Ann 12yrs and 1 week which is a bit young even back then! My Ann married John Brice in 1799 at the age of 22 in St John Margate.
Birchington is close to Margate and Ramsgate so there could quite well be problems. According to the IGI and of the dubious 'submitted by an LDS member' there were two George Griggs christenings, one in 1735 and the other in 1744. By my reckoning it could be either so how all the others have positively identified it as 1735 I just don't know. The only two options I can think of are a guess or some positive proof. However, to make it even more complicated I found a death for a George Griggs in St Lawrence on 7 Feb 1764! Unfortunately that's all it said, no age, address or anything.
Do you have a link to Ann that married John Blackburn because I'm sure the others are dodgy at best. However, of course, I could be wrong.
Cheers
Ian
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Again, I'm just relying on other people's perhaps dubious research that I took at face value at the time...but now am not all that sure, for obvious reasons. Never hurts to air on the side of caution in this business anyway...and it's slightly embarrasing that I'd fallen into quite an obvious error all those years ago, but I digress.
George Griggs is quite a frustrating gentleman, and naturally an age at death would have helped everyone quite a lot there! Also a little frustrating, given that the registers only a decade later in St. Lawrence record so much more detail compared to many other parishes at the time...always nice to have cause of death a regular occurance, even if for only a few years. But anyway, it is interesting to note that there is a burial for a George Griggs in St. Lawrence on 25th March 1784...aged 39-years, giving a birth date of c.1744/45. Presumably this is the 1744 George you spoke of, which at least could suggest he survived long enough to father the children in question. The registers note him as having died of a broken thigh, which is interesting. Maybe, though, this could suggest that the 1764 burial is for the earlier 1735 George?
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Hi Simon
I have a book, compiled and written by a Fred Griggs in 1986 which perports to trace a Griggs line in Kent back to 1430. In it are several trees, Wills, and some (poor) pictures, some has been printed it seems, but most has been typed and photocopied. I have notchecked any of this but I believe that it has been well researched.
All mentioned in the trees have not been continued, marriage, family etc. but may be of some use to you.
I have compiled an alphabetical list of all mentioned in the book which I am prepared to send to you by email should you think that it may be of any use to you. Other bits I can extract and also send to you.
Ray
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Hi Simon
Sorry for the delay but the computer has been broken for a while.
I wasn't aware of the 1784 burial which would make more sense as you said. The 1735 George could quite well be the death I found for 1764. That would then throw more doubt on the other people's research though.
Another one to ponder, I think.
Cheers
Ian
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Hi Ray
We very briefly talked about your book a couple of years ago but you couldn't help that time.
Could I trouble you to see if you have any information on any George Griggs between 17 and 1800 ish please?
Thanks for any help
Ian
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Hi Stangat,
I' afraid that your name did not register, so had forgotten any previous contact. I'm afraid that George is not a name that features in these families in any period,
Did I send you a list of all that are mentioned last time?
Sorry I can't help,
Ray
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Hi again Ray
No problems
No, you didn't send me a list from the book last time.
Thanks
Ian
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Hi
Not sure what information you have about George and Elizabeth, but i was reasearching the Grigg line last year and some one sent me a booklet (not Fred s booklet) about the Griggs familiies.
It is a bit patchy but looking through it i found firstly a William Griggs who married a Mary Stroude on thee 7th April 1716 in Birchington they had a son called George Griggs who was baptised on thee 18th May 1835 in Birchington.
Then further on i found a George Griggs who married a Elizabeth Barlett on thee 4th November 1773 at St. Johns in Margate. The children listed are
Elizabeth Griggs baptised 16 Oct 1774 at St. LAwrence, Ramsgate
William Griggs baptised 8th October 1775 at St. Lawrence Ramsgate
Ann Griggs baptised 5th OCtober 1777 at St. Lawrence, Ramsgate
Sarah Griggs baptised 25 Mar 1781 at St. Lawrence Ramsgate.
Mary Griggs baptised 10th August 1783 at St. Lawrence, Ramsgate
That's all there was, not sure if any of this is of any help or you have this information, but thought i would post it just in case. Good Luck
Sheila.
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Hi Sheila
That ties in exactly with the info I have, which I have personally checked at the Cantebury Archives but unfortunately I can't prove which George is the right one!
Cheers
Ian
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Hello Ian
I think I may be able to help, I have done a lot of research on the Griggs family in Kent, and think I may be the author of what sheila was refereing to above.
All the George Griggs' I have found in Kent from 1700 to 1800 (ish).
Year Place Parents
1713, Wingham, William and Sarah
1717, St Marys Dover, John & Elizabeth
1735, Birchington, William and Mary
1744, Birchington, Edward and Ann
1775, Elham, James and Elizabeth
1790, St Marys, Sandwich.
please feel free to concact me and I can email you my full database.