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Title: Corn Mill- Stracathro- Early 1800's
Post by: Noreen19 on Saturday 09 January 10 03:32 GMT (UK)

I am Interested in finding the Mill of Side, location of my GGGrandfather's birth. His father James Mitchell (married to Mary DUNCAN) was the Corn Miller at Mill of Side in Stracathro in 1811.

 I have researched the area history, and cannot find anything on this Mill. Anyone have any ideas? I live in Northern California and cannot visit the area.

Regards,
Noreen

Title: Re: Corn Mill- Stracathro- Early 1800's
Post by: hume on Saturday 09 January 10 11:19 GMT (UK)

Hi Noreen,

A big welcome to Rootschat. Hope you'll enjoy your stay here. We're all very friendly and love to help each other out. ;D

I managed to find Mill of Side on an overlay map at the NLS website. The link is:

http://geo.nls.uk/os6inch/google.html

The best place to start at would be Brechin. Up to Newtonmill and it's into the right before Inchbare. The best thing about this one, is you can switch between the historical map and the modern satellite image.

Unfortunately it doesn't look like it's still there; however, there is a small building not far from it showing on both maps. May have been property of the mill?

Hope this helps. :)
hume

PS. I've attached the historical map image of Mill of Side. It's part of NLS' collection of OS maps, 1843 - 1882.

Title: Re: Corn Mill- Stracathro- Early 1800's
Post by: Noreen19 on Saturday 09 January 10 18:07 GMT (UK)

Thank you Hume..I went to the NLS Mapsite..what a great resource. I appreciate your response. I just realized a couple of days ago that the OPR listing of Mill of Side as the birthplace of my GG Grandfather must be the actual work/living site,since my GGG Grandfather was a Corn Miller...can't believe that I did not connect the dots,as they say, sooner. My father was born in Brechin..although most of my MITCHELL line is from Arbroath. The MITCHELLs were in that area from the 1700's until 1913, when my father emigrated to America.

We are fortunate to have visited Brechin,Arbroath, Montrose and surrounding area several times, but we're past the age of international travel so have to be content with the memories and photographs. Thanks to people such as yourself, we continue to fill out our family tree.

Anything I can do for you in the States?

Noreen

Title: Re: Corn Mill- Stracathro- Early 1800's
Post by: Chiad Fhear on Saturday 09 January 10 19:36 GMT (UK)

Hi Noreen

Welcome to RootsChat

Here's another link from modern-day mapping that might help you

http://www.streetmap.co.uk/map.srf?x=361500&y=764500&z=120&sv=ballownie&st=3&tl=Map+of+Ballownie,+Angus+&searchp=ids.srf&mapp=map.srf

I'f you've any problem accessing it from the link, go to

www.streetmap.co.uk (http://www.streetmap.co.uk)

and do a PLACE search for 'Ballownie'

Regards

Chiad Fhear[/color]

Title: Re: Mill of Side- Stracathro
Post by: Noreen19 on Saturday 09 January 10 20:36 GMT (UK)

Hello Chiad..
Thank you for the welcome..and many thanks for the map site. This is a terrific List..so glad I joined.

Noreen

Title: Re: Corn Mill- Stracathro- Early 1800's
Post by: embla on Wednesday 04 March 15 09:15 GMT (UK)

HI
don't know if you are still reading this
but I live at Syde in Stracathro
this is the farm house that was built in 1795. I have been doing a good bit of research on the families of stracathro and it seems that I have a good few connections with your people
I have a lot of photos of the area and links as to the ancient history as well as recent if you would like to see all that
here is a photo I took last year in April walking down to the Mill which is at the end of the track where it bobs down to the Cruick Water
 : ( the insert image link isn't working
Eimear

Title: Re: Corn Mill- Stracathro- Early 1800's
Post by: Forfarian on Wednesday 04 March 15 12:19 GMT (UK)

Quote from: embla on Wednesday 04 March 15 09:15 GMT (UK)

don't know if you are still reading this
but I live at Syde in Stracathro
this is the farm house that was built in 1795. I have been doing a good bit of research on the families of stracathro

Hello Eimear

I also have possible relatives at Syde and would like to exchange notes.

James Wyllie and Agnes Bruce were in Syde from at least 1732 to 1748, because their residence is given as Syde in the baptisms of five of their six children: Andrew 1732, Isobel 1734, Jean 1741, John 1744, and Robert 1748. There was another son, James 1746, but I have not seen his baptism yet. James Wyllie Sr was probably the son of Andrew Wyllie, brother of my 7th great-grandfather David Wyllie in Lethnot. The Wyllies are said to have come to Lethnot after the destruction of the Bonnie Hoose o' Airlie in 1640 by the Earl of Argyll, as commemorated in the famous ballad.

Andrew Wyllie 1732 married Jean Greig, and they resided in Syde according to the baptisms of their children Isabella 1760, Jean 1762, Agnes 1764, John 1766, and David 1748. They must then have moved to Fern, because the next five children Mary 1769, James 1772, Catherine 1774, Andrew 1777 and Anna 1780, were baptised there. Then they resided in Newton, Stracathro where Betty 1782 was born, and then in St Vigeans where the last child, George 1784 , was born.

Later, Andrew Leighton was described as 'Farmer in Syde, Stracathro', but his family were all baptised in Brechin between 1787 and 1798 so I do not know when he was in Syde. He was the son of David Leighton and Anne Skair in Menmuir, and he married in 1786 Janet Fairweather, daughter of Alexander Fairweather and Janet Don, and second Mary Beattie, about whom I know nothing more.

Also born at Syde were Helen 1797 and William 1799, the youngest children of  John Adamson and Ann Fairweather. John was the son of John Adamson and grandson of James Adamson and Helen Guthrie, who was born in Menmuir. John and Ann's older children James 1784 and David 1785 were born in Logie Pert, then Jean 1787, John 1790, Alexander 1793 and David 1795 at Eastertown, Stracathro.

The Leightons and Fairweathers in Menmuir all intermarried, and I have yet to get them all sorted out. However it seems likely that Ann Fairweather and Janet Fairweather were connected or related in some way.

I have very little information about what became of most of the children who were born at Syde, and would love to have anything you come across about them, especially the Wyllies and Adamsons.

Title: Re: Corn Mill- Stracathro- Early 1800's
Post by: embla on Wednesday 04 March 15 15:00 GMT (UK)

Gosh Noreen!
what a lot you have discovered!
Yes I know about the Leighton/Fairweather/Dons
there were later also Duncans Edwards and Fawns
and I have a clear line now down to me from 1841
and will just copy you inline with the higgledy-piggledy notes I made recently - which are from the Angus archives at Restenneth and the churchyard at Stracathro and the internet
I have a call to participate in in 5 minutes but will send all thereafter

Best to you
E
Descriptive List of Plans in the Scottish Record Office
Volume I
Page 20
Angus
Stracathro
1792
Stracathro, the seat and property of Patrick Cruickshank, Esq NO62565 [1:5400] 93 x 68 cm
Estate plan showing house, parks, gardens and farms including Clearban, Westerton, Easterton, Blackdikes, Syde, Cairntown and Ardo. Field boundaries, some field names, acreages and land use shown – arable, pasture and plantation. Mill of Syde and Milldn, quarries, glebe, Stracathro church and manse noted. Coloured. Table of contents.
RHP.83

Valuation Roll
1765       Decree of Division – Ardo, \syde, \mill of Syde & marketfoord retained by Captain Turnbull – remainder of the Estate sold to Colin McKenzie – incl westertown Heugh Head Ketley and Broomward
1797 – 98    John Adamson, Side http://www.scotlandsplaces.gov.uk/digital-volumes/historical-tax-rolls/clock-and-watch-tax-rolls-1797-1798/clock-and-watch-tax-volume-2/23#zoom=3&lat=1372.5&lon=1400.5&layers=B
1823      proprietor of Syde etc Alexander Cruikshank
1841      john Duncan
1851      Alexander Edward
1857 – 61   Robert Lyall Factor
1861      Fauns
DON James Blacksmith 1824 James Don, born 1 Aug 1824 in Farnell, Angus, Scotland. Parents: Hercules Don & Ann Wales. James first married Mary McAndrew (cir 1825-1860) 3 Jul 1847 Edzel, they had 5 children. Next married Ann Dakers (1830-1909) 14 Dec 1861 Stracathro, they had 4 children. James was Blacksmith of Stracathro and Balrownie between 1841-1905. Died 12 Feb 1905 Mill of Balrownie Smithy.
1871      Peter Pullar
1920 – 21   Peter Pullar/John Ramsay Pullar
1940 – 41   John Ramsay Pullar
1942 – 43   John Ramsay Pullar/William Anderson
1945 – 46   William Anderson
1953 – 1954   William Anderson
1957 – 58    William Anderson
1958 – 59   William Anderson
1960 – 61   L Millar Anderson House and Farm of Syde 196 acres
1962 – 63   William Anderson – Syde – L Millar Anderson
1971 – 72   L Millar Anderson
LM Anderson d 1983 buried in Sunnyhill cemetery, Montrose
Syde bought by Tony and Wendy Bryce in 1985
then sold to me in 2013
_______________________
I have some information in the 15 and 1600s..........so will forward that later

Best
E

Title: Re: Corn Mill- Stracathro- Early 1800's
Post by: embla on Wednesday 04 March 15 16:16 GMT (UK)

http://landedfamilies.blogspot.co.uk/2013/05/37-adamson-of-careston-castle-and.html

are these your Adamsons? Because Mr Adamson lives at Millden, Stracathro and is the current incumbent

and I suppose you have seen this about the Leightons Fairweathers and Dons
http://archive.org/stream/memorandumregard1898fair/memorandumregard1898fair_djvu.txt

Mr and Mrs Cuthill   are now of Ballownie (brother Bryan, a plumber in Brechin) and grew up at Ballownie as their father Sandy was the farmer there before them.

Mr and Mrs Gibson are at Westerton.....Gibsons are long time Stracathro folk so you may have something there too

http://www.forgottenbooks.com/readbook_text/Angus_or_Forfarshire_the_Land_and_People_Descriptive_and_Historical_v5_1000895456/177

Title: Re: Corn Mill- Stracathro- Early 1800's
Post by: Forfarian on Wednesday 04 March 15 19:07 GMT (UK)

Those 'discoveries' aren't Noreen's, they are mine!

I don't know if the Careston Adamsons are mine or not, but mine were from Tannadice and I have no whaling captains that I know of.

I have seen the Fairweather memorandum, and I own a set of Alex Warden's 5-volume 'Angus or Forfarshire'. Also a copy of 'Memorials of the Leightons' and of Andrew Jervise's books.

Title: Re: Corn Mill- Stracathro- Early 1800's
Post by: Forfarian on Wednesday 04 March 15 19:48 GMT (UK)

Had a quick look around.

John Adamson of Careston was born in St Monance, Fife of 6 June 1813 and baptised one 20 June 1813. His parents were William Adamson and Janet Chapman. According to the 'Community Contributed' IGI William and Janet were married in St Monance in 1802.

I don't have any William Adamsons in my tree before the one born in Syde in 1799, so I think I can be fairly sure that my Adamsons are not related to John Adamson of Careston. Pity :(

Title: Re: Corn Mill- Stracathro- Early 1800's
Post by: embla on Thursday 05 March 15 04:40 GMT (UK)

oh.........so I don't know who I am talking to any more
but if you are in Forfar then you have all the access that I have
so not those adamsons
so are you related to Noreen and the Wyllies and Adamsons and Leightons and Fairweathers and Dons?

Title: Re: Corn Mill- Stracathro- Early 1800's
Post by: Forfarian on Thursday 05 March 15 09:45 GMT (UK)

Quote from: embla on Thursday 05 March 15 04:40 GMT (UK)

oh.........so I don't know who I am talking to any more
but if you are in Forfar then you have all the access that I have
so not those adamsons
so are you related to Noreen and the Wyllies and Adamsons and Leightons and Fairweathers and Dons?

Not actually in Forfar now. In fact I quite often drive through Stracathro on my way north or south.

I am connected to the Leightons through marriages but not related as far as I know.

William Leighton, brother of Andrew who was in Syde, married my relative Margaret Wyllie in 1778. She was a daughter of another Andrew Wyllie (cousin of the one in Syde) who was in Mill of Conveth in Laurencekirk and later in Pitarrow in Fordoun. His first wife was Elizabeth Skair who may have been related to Andrew Leighton's mother Anne Skair.

Then there was David Leighton who married Agnes Sang in Tannadice in 1764. She was my 4th great-aunt. David's father was John Leighton but I know no more about him. However David and Agnes' large family included Margaret, born 1782 and died 1866 in Kirriemuir. She left a will in which there was no mention of any of her siblings at all, but she left legacies to my 3rd great-grandfather Thomas Binny, whose wife was Agnes' niece Mary Sang, to 'the surviving children of the late George Fairweather my cousin, formerly in Pitdreichy' and to 'the surviving children of the late James Fairweather my cousin formerly in Shandford'. She also left money to John Sang SSC, who seems to have been her solicitor although he lived and practised in Edinburgh. He was a brother of Thomas Binny's wife Mary Sang. (I would dearly like to know why she was so selective, because she had quite a lot of other cousins, quite apart from her nine siblings.) I have managed to identify the two Fairweathers referred to. They were the sons of George Fairweather and Margaret Leighton in Menmuir. This Margaret was also the daughter of a John Leighton, so she must have been a brother of David Leighton who married Agnes Sang. How this John Leighton relates to David Leighton, husband of Anne Skair, I do not know.

Sorry, I seem to have rambled on a bit.

Title: Re: Corn Mill- Stracathro- Early 1800's
Post by: embla on Thursday 05 March 15 18:44 GMT (UK)

Hi
I am delighted you rambled on a bit
I saw the post this morning on my mobile but couldn't respond on that medium - too small and fiddly - hence the delay
there are a number of resources I have found online that link in to your research and mine
and I need to compile them more fully so that you can then scour each one to see what results but I find cross references to Leighton Fairweather Binny - then there is one to - is it Dakers? - something like that - Don, of course....
I have family visiting this weekend so may not be on again until next week when I hope to be able to give you details of the resources online and other volumes that were available at Restenneth
none of these people are any kin of mine but I am so interested in the area in which I live and want to uncover the personalities that made it as it is
Best
E

Title: Re: Corn Mill- Stracathro- Early 1800's
Post by: Forfarian on Thursday 05 March 15 19:21 GMT (UK)

Thanks, I will look forward to hearing further.

Er .... you will find that some of the Binny material at Restenneth came from me in the first place. There are other documents about the Binnys, in particular a manuscript set of notes by Catherine Sophia Murray (1841-1912), wife of William Henry Binny (1825-1900). Also some notes made by Mr A McHardy, who was Town Clerk of Forfar. I've been working on them for years, more off than on!

But I haven't tried to follow Leightons or Fairweathers there.

Title: Re: Corn Mill- Stracathro- Early 1800's
Post by: embla on Sunday 29 March 15 15:16 BST (UK)

Hi again

apologies for the long silence....work matters
have you seen this site:
http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=SHOW&db=fairweather&recno=163
perhaps you put these notes on here.........but a lot of Adamsons there

Eimear

Title: Re: Corn Mill- Stracathro- Early 1800's
Post by: Forfarian on Sunday 29 March 15 15:44 BST (UK)

No, it's not mine but yes, I have seen it. Thanks.

Title: Re: Corn Mill- Stracathro- Early 1800's
Post by: embla on Sunday 29 March 15 15:50 BST (UK)

I came upon these two references for Syde yesterday whilst in Brechin Library. The lady there was very helpful and found some lovely maps for me which I photocopied......interesting to discover there were another couple of buildings here in the 60s that are not here now but I did learn from a near neighbour that one of them burnt down in the 1970s (I think)
1753 Christian Don married William Hood, Syde of Stracathro – married 1788
Had 3 sons and 3 daughters – the last of whom – Janet drowned in the Cruick Water in 1869

Alexander Don 1746 – 1808 in 1775 married Jean Hood, sister of William, Daughter of John Hood, farmer, Syde of Stracathro

and then you should go through this volume as you may find more links to more of your ancestors here: http://www.electricscotland.com/History/nation/memoirsofdonfami1897donw.pdf

Title: Re: Corn Mill- Stracathro- Early 1800's
Post by: Forfarian on Sunday 29 March 15 17:26 BST (UK)

Thank you again.

The Don Memoir is indeed intriguing, but unfortunately it doesn't mention any of the names in my direct ancestry - for example Binny, Sang, Guthrie, Wyllie, Mollison - other than in passing, so although it makes very interesting reading, it doesn't add anything to my own tree.

Title: Re: Corn Mill- Stracathro- Early 1800's
Post by: hegs on Monday 04 April 16 06:58 BST (UK)

Noreen, I'm not sure if you still check this thread, but my 4 x great grandfather was the same James Mitchell who married Mary Duncan at Mill of Side! Their oldest son, David (my 3 x great gf) came to Australia and settled in Victoria in the 1840's and took up farming. So hello long lost cousin!

Title: Re: Corn Mill- Stracathro- Early 1800's
Post by: hegs on Monday 04 July 16 08:52 BST (UK)

Hi Eimear,

I'm not sure if you're still reading this, but I am also related to the same Mitchells as Noreen. If you have unearthed any more information regarding these Mitchells I would love to know about them. Also any photos of the Mill would be fabulous as I live in Australia and it's not a short journey!!

Cheers,
Michelle 8)

Title: Re: Corn Mill- Stracathro- Early 1800's
Post by: Georgevitch0562 on Tuesday 24 May 22 12:55 BST (UK)

I found this forum while trying to find information about James Mitchell, miller of Slade, Stracathro and his wife Mary (M.S. Duncan).

My connections is through James and Mary's grandson, William Mitchell (II) (1846 - 1927) and his wife Catherine (M.S. Anderson - Drumlithie) (1843 - 1920) who I've recently discovered were my great grandparents and who were married in Glenbervie in 1872. William is recorded as a journeyman blacksmith with his place of residence stated to be Arbroath. It would seem that William and Mary lived in Arbroath for the rest of their lives.

There were three generations of Mitchells in Arbroath the last being my mother (Charlotte Strathearn Stewart Mitchell and her sisters Kate and Betty. There were no sons in that generation so the Mitchell name ended, in this line, with them.

I have a vague memory of my mother and aunts talking about some family connection to Drumlithie but didn't know at the time what it was about. During the 1980s we lived in Drumlithie but I was not aware then what the family connection had been.

I am hoping that this may be of interest to Noreen19 and hegs if either of them is still following this thread and that, if so, we might be of some assistance to each other - or anyone else with a connection.

Georgevitch0562