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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Lanarkshire => Topic started by: woodworth on Wednesday 06 January 10 18:38 GMT (UK)
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DAVID JACKSON RASC ITALY 1944/45
On behalf of a friend I am seeking information on David Jackson. He was a serving soldier in the RASC in 1944/45 near the towns of Grizzana and Monzuno Italy. His last known address was 16 New Place, Tranton Rd, Bermondsey, London. We believe he had two brothers and their photo's appeared Carluke Gazette with him with motor bikes. We think he came from that area and the Bermondsey address was only a temporary one. ANY HELP WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED.
Best wishes
George Woodworth
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Try GenesReunited especially if you have the brothers names.
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Valerie Rumble (Member No.1522312) has a David born 1911 in Carluke
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Thank you both, the only information we have is what I have written on the web site. I have two photographs which I will attach.
Many thanks for the replies its really apreciated. Thank you in anticipation If you can give any further help.
Best wishes
George
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Here is the second picture, it was too big to be loaded together.
Regards
George
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Here is the second picture, it was too big to be loaded together.
Regards
George
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You could try contacting the paper
http://www.carlukegazette.co.uk/contactus.aspx
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Hi Sancti,
We are in the process of doing that, thought it was a good idea to put it on the site as we had little information.
Best wishes
George
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Sir,
I have come across the photos you have posted. I have emailed a copy to a cousin in England to see if this is our David Jackson. Our family is from Lanarkshire, in Carluke. David was in England just before going off to Europe in the war. He visited with my Mom and their Aunt and family in Stotfold, and my Grandfather in or near London. I need to see if I can enlarge the photo a closer look.
Why is this friend looking for David?
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Sir,
I have come across the photos you have posted. I have emailed a copy to a cousin in England to see if this is our David Jackson. Our family is from Lanarkshire, in Carluke. David was in England just before going off to Europe in the war. He visited with my Mom and their Aunt and family in Stotfold, and my Grandfather in or near London. I need to see if I can enlarge the photo a closer look.
Why is this friend looking for David?
Hi, Woodworth is my friend and he searching for help me because I help the David Jackson son, born in Italy, aug 1945; he wish find the father...
all details here
http://matera.site.voila.fr/David_Jackson.ppt
the pictures
David Jackson in uniform:
http://s6.imagestime.com/out.php/i448923_DavidJackson1.jpg
press cutting front:
http://yfrog.com/j0davidjacksonandbrothersj
press cutting back:
http://yfrog.com/jcdavidjacksonbackj
TV:
http://www.rai.tv/dl/RaiTV/programmi/media/ContentItem-18f41c4e-ea38-4fc4-a9dd-b9021f48c02d.html
Thanks for help,
suanj
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Hi Behnybaby,
As you can see from the post by Raffaella, Davide Perlini a retired Postman is looking for his father, who he claims is a David Jackson. From the information I have received its very clear that A David Jackson is his father. Whether its your David Jackson we don't know, but if it was I hope it doesn't create any problem, it would however make Davide Perlini very happy to have found someone he has been searching for, for many years.
Best wishes and many thanks for responding.
George
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Hi Behnybaby,
As you can see from the post by Raffaella, Davide Perlini a retired Postman is looking for his father, who he claims is a David Jackson. From the information I have received its very clear that A David Jackson is his father. Whether its your David Jackson we don't know, but if it was I hope it doesn't create any problem, it would however make Davide Perlini very happy to have found someone he has been searching for, for many years.
Best wishes and many thanks for responding.
George
Thanks George!
David's son sent me also the baptism act and the priest wrote "son of David Jackson, scottish soldier, + Bermondsey address.
Also David's son( Davide Perlini-mother surname-) have a little sheet of paper where David Jackson wrote in handwriting the name and the address...
God bless,
suanj
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Sir,
What would be the date of the gentlemans birth, we actually have more than one David. No worries this poses no complications, I have sent photo around, but not given any details, awaiting answer from cousins, and will notify you of any success.
I will also will send a copy to my niece, who lives near my Mother and see if she can identify the gentleman in the photo. I would be very surprised if she remembered the address. But we shall try. I do not believe it is my Uncle due to the date, and the men with him are not his brother for sure, but may be a cousin.
Many of the family men where working in or in military in England. Almost every sibling of my Grandfather's family had a David most born around the same date, which makes things difficult at times.
Would it be possible to see a photo of David? Does he have any other information?
Uniform identifies him as a Guards regiment, Cap looks like Scots Guard, the reversed Chevron if for good conduct. He suggests the uniform looks pre-war, but states date is after the military push from Patten and Montgomery. So is it possible the dating is off somewhat, between the pictures? Is anyone else in the cut off picture? My cousin was very young when he saw David last but he is into military history and supplied the information regarding the uniform.
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Sir,
What would be the date of the gentlemans birth, we actually have more than one David. No worries this poses no complications, I have sent photo around, but not given any details, awaiting answer from cousins, and will notify you of any success.
I will also will send a copy to my niece, who lives near my Mother and see if she can identify the gentleman in the photo. I would be very surprised if she remembered the address. But we shall try. I do not believe it is my Uncle due to the date, and the men with him are not his brother for sure, but may be a cousin.
Many of the family men where working in or in military in England. Almost every sibling of my Grandfather's family had a David most born around the same date, which makes things difficult at times.
Would it be possible to see a photo of David? Does he have any other information?
Uniform identifies him as a Guards regiment, Cap looks like Scots Guard, the reversed Chevron if for good conduct. He suggests the uniform looks pre-war, but states date is after the military push from Patten and Montgomery. So is it possible the dating is off somewhat, between the pictures? Is anyone else in the cut off picture? My cousin was very young when he saw David last but he is into military history and supplied the information regarding the uniform.
Hi behnybaby,
I and as a well Davide Perlini, we know not the birthdate of THIS David Jackson in the picture.
The pictures are above, click on the links in my previous message. You can see it in large format.
By ScotlandsPeople website I know that in Carluke was born 2 David Jackson ( without other first name, just and only David) ; one born in 1920 and one in 1924…. I know not if the ScotlandsPeople database is complete….
We have no other infos on David Jackson that we are searching for.. he stayed some month in the area where met the italian girl.. It was the problem with language .. but no problem for the deep love..
We asked help abt the uniform, and someone saying RASC and someone Scots Guards;
2 UK veterans remembering David Jackson; they met it in Italy in same area(Gothic line, near Bologna town) and one remember that was in the RASC; the second is sure that was in Scots Guards. So it is a dilemma. But both are old men… and so, maybe something is missed…. Second my opinion he was in the Scots Guards in the picture with cap… maybe in the picture with brothers or cousins he could be a driver or dispatch rider… the son saying that he was a dispatch rider, and in the travels in the area, stopping at Perlini home, so born a friendship and after the love… It is very probable that David Jackson know not abt the pregnancy, because Fernanda Perlini descovered that was pregnant around same time that David left Bologna area and moved with Army…
Hoping in a help,
all the best,
suanj
(I'm lady)
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The info on the uniform came from England.
My David
2993186, 7/10th Bn., Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders
Who died age 20
On 06 April 1943
ENFIDAVILLE WAR CEMETERY
So this is why I needed confirm on dates.
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Hi behnybaby,
I AM TOLD THAT DAVID JACKSON HAD A "Y" TATOO ON THE ARM
THEY THINK IT WAS UPSIDE DOWN.
REGARDS
GEORGE
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The info on the uniform came from England.
My David
2993186, 7/10th Bn., Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders
Who died age 20
On 06 April 1943
ENFIDAVILLE WAR CEMETERY
So this is why I needed confirm on dates.
Thank you, so YOUR David was born 1923 abt and that could matching with a David Jackson born in Carluke in 1924.. so remaining for our search only the first David Jackson born in Carluke in 1920...
Thank you...
all the best,
suanj
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Bear in mind that although the picture appeared in the Carluke Gazzete it would have covered local rural areas and according to SP there were, between 1910-1925
2 Davids born in Carluke
1 David born in Forth
1 David born Tarbrax
He may also have been born elsewhere and moved to the area as a child
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Hi Sancti,
Many thanks for the information.
George
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Bear in mind that although the picture appeared in the Carluke Gazzete it would have covered local rural areas and according to SP there were, between 1910-1925
2 Davids born in Carluke
1 David born in Forth
1 David born Tarbrax
He may also have been born elsewhere and moved to the area as a child
Thanks Sancti, your help, it is a big help for our search...
Best regards,
suanj
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GenesReunited also has a couple of Davids listed as born 1921 Bermondsey. Maybe he settled there after the war and later family assumed it was his birthplace.
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GenesReunited also has a couple of Davids listed as born 1921 Bermondsey. Maybe he settled there after the war and later family assumed it was his birthplace.
Hi Sancti,
I made a account to Genes Reunited, but are all records that I already have by SP and ancestry.com ... the problem is that we have no birthdate and by pictures it is a bit hard that someone recognize it...
However the birthplace is Carluke and rural area... for bad luck the Carluke Gazette, replied kindly and recognized the press cutting as a Carluke Gazette cutting, but without date the search is a bit long and they cannot help... the local library in Lanark has all the old files on microfiche ... and that seeming the only way for to find something, hoping that it are the first names of David Jackson brothers...
Thanks a lot,
suanj
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Hi Suanj
Been following the story of David and your search for him :) Can I ask, when you contacted the Carluke Gazette, did you also email over the reverse side of the photo from the paper? Although no date of the issue is on it, I did notice a number on the top left hand side (2259) and wondered what this could be and perhaps whether it could help to identify the issue of that day's newpaper.
Just curious, how did Davide Perlini come to have this newspaper cutting? Is it something his father left behind?
It would be really useful for your searches if you were able to confirm his brothers' names from this photo in the Caluke Gazette.
Monica :)
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Double post from me - I've got computer gremblins!
Monica :)
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Hi Suanj
Been following the story of David and your search for him :) Can I ask, when you contacted the Carluke Gazette, did you also email over the reverse side of the photo from the paper? Although no date of the issue is on it, I did notice a number on the top left hand side (2259) and wondered what this could be and perhaps whether it could help to identify the issue of that day's newpaper.
Just curious, how did Davide Perlini come to have this newspaper cutting? Is it something his father left behind?
It would be really useful for your searches if you were able to confirm his brothers' names from this photo in the Caluke Gazette.
Monica :)
Hi Monica, thanks for your suggestion;
yes I sent all to Carluke Gazette, also the reverse side with 2259 number... because thinked that was helpful, but the kind reply is that the search is a bit long....
the press cutting and the picture with David Jackson in uniform was given from David Jackson to Fernanda Perlini... in the picture in uniform, lacking the other part and sure it was abt a related person....
only by a search in Carluke Gazette it is possible further step...
but I know not as to make, and they have no a digital Archive on line...
thanks,
suanj
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By pictures, taken in different time, seeming that the first destination was Scots Guards, and in WWII-Italy in the RASC; I found a David Jackson in the RASC on London Gazette http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/37773/supplements/5356
but it is hard to say abt this David Jackson that had a promotion....
suanj
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Hi Suanj
I've been on the phone ;D
I've just spoken to the archivist at Lanark Library. The number below the masterhead Carluke is the issue number! From a quick look at issues of the newspaper, he estimates this photograph was taken late 1949 to first weeks of 1950.
They have all the back issues at the library for this period on microfilm. He is happy to do a look up for us, however, there is now a charge for non Lanarkshire residents of £10GB, free for residents of Lanarkshire though.....so I thought of you Sancti ;D
He is going to email me a form that can be used to submit the enquiry which I can forward on. He thinks it will take about a week for a response.
I've explained to him the background on the story and got him on side - a nice helpful man :)
Monica
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Hi Monica thanks for that! Only a question: the press cutting was in the hands of Fernanda Perlini from winter 1944/5 ( but I know not exactly that, no with precision) so the issue is previous of 1949/50.. right?
What are your suggestions? If by issue number it is possible to find the complete sheet I can to pay... also I wish to thanks Sancti if can search for me...
all the best,
suanj
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I have noticed the issue of conflicting years and don't really have an explanation until we are able to double check the actual issue 2259 and confirm with the photo and date of this issue.
I've just been "chatting" on line with Sancti and he is very happy to follow through with the Lanark Library - another good kindly man ;)
I think we need to hold off guessing until we are able to verify the issue and supporting photograph and caption.....fingers crossed on all this!
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Just for background, from what the archivist at Lanark Library said. He was able to confirm that issue no. 2468 was circulated in the first week of 1954. The Carluke Gazette is a weekly paper, so 209 issues before (re issue no. 2259) take you back 209 weeks, ie, four years and 1 week.
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Thnk you, thank you!
I must explain:
when Davide Perlini becoming 18 old, he knew by mother that the father was David Jackson; wishing to search the father in UK, but the mother no wanted..
and she asked at son, of no make more inquiries abt the father, and also asked the oathabt that...
Davide Perlini accepted for mother's love....
now she is died..... and Davide Perlini from 2005 search the father...
Fernanda Perlini never married, and having a great pain abt David Jackson missing; she loved it for all her life and died in 2005. After the death Davide Perlini found the press cutting, picture etc...
so by Sancti help we can know the truth... it is very important... thanks Sancti if you can help... God bless,
suanj
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Just for background, from what the archivist at Lanark Library said. He was able to confirm that issue no. 2468 was circulated in the first week of 1954. The Carluke Gazette is a weekly paper, so 209 issues before (re issue no. 2259) take you back 209 weeks, ie, four years and 1 week.
this means that in some way Fernanda Perlini had the press cutting after the son birth...
Thanks, a lot dear monica!
And I hope in the help of Sancti...!
God bless,
suanj
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Sometimes very sad personal stories aren't they :'( Sounds like you have been a good friend to Davide.
Let's see where we get to :)
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Sometimes very sad personal stories aren't they :'( Sounds like you have been a good friend to Davide.
Let's see where we get to :)
Hi Monica,
yes I wish to help Davide, because it is right so... he suffering as so much for that, and more much the mother... anyone have parents, almost any normal family... and it is always time for to know the own father, almost for Davide, he is a very good and honest man... maybe with the help of rootschat members the dream can be reality... hugs,
suanj
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Hi,
Just took a look at this London Gazette, and notice the name Donal Jackson also. This may be a lead for one of the brothers names.
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Hi,
Just took a look at this London Gazette, and notice the name Donal Jackson also. This may be a lead for one of the brothers names.
Good suggestion! I wish check abt that!
Thanks a lot,
suanj
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The archivist at Lanark Library gets a HUGE gold medal for effort :)
He has started trying to find the issue with the photograph. We have hit an immediate problem. The issue no.2259 that you have with the photo does not correspond with the issue no.2259 that is held on record at the archives. I have sent him the attachments that you have posted Suanj as reference. Mr MacIver believes that the issue with the photograph may have an incorrect issue no., particularly with the references on the advertisements on the back of the photo, which is actually the front page of the newspaper. The advertisements seem to indicate that this issue was wartime (taking us back to a war time scenario not late 1949).
Suanj, can you reconfirm which months David Jackson was romantically involved with Davide' mother and when he left?
We love a challenge here on RC ;)
Monica
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It seems the allies invaded Italy in September 1943 and Bologna was liberated April 1945. We have to work out how David got a copy of the article to give to Davide's mother whilst he was in Italy. The photo could be the brothers meeting up anywhere in Italy between those dates. How long would it have taken for the picture to be taken, sent to Carluke and then posted back to David Jackson?
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The archivist at Lanark Library gets a HUGE gold medal for effort :)
He has started trying to find the issue with the photograph. We have hit an immediate problem. The issue no.2259 that you have with the photo does not correspond with the issue no.2259 that is held on record at the archives. I have sent him the attachments that you have posted Suanj as reference. Mr MacIver believes that the issue with the photograph may have an incorrect issue no., particularly with the references on the advertisements on the back of the photo, which is actually the front page of the newspaper. The advertisements seem to indicate that this issue was wartime (taking us back to a war time scenario not late 1949).
Suanj, can you reconfirm which months David Jackson was romantically involved with Davide' mother and when he left?
We love a challenge here on RC ;)
Monica
Hi Monica,
thanks, the love story was in november 1944; Davide born in aug 1945..
thanks a lot,
suanj
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It seems the allies invaded Italy in September 1943 and Bologna was liberated April 1945. We have to work out how David got a copy of the article to give to Davide's mother whilst he was in Italy. The photo could be the brothers meeting up anywhere in Italy between those dates. How long would it have taken for the picture to be taken, sent to Carluke and then posted back to David Jackson?
hi Sancti,
because Fernanda was pregnant in nov 1944, and so I believe that met David around sep/oct 1944...
so it is a big problem the newspaper date... but no far from jul/oct 1944..
what you think?
Thanks,
suanj
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Something the archivist at Lanark Library picked up on. One of the advertisements on the back of the photo is announcing the arrival of Spring dresses at Thomson, the drapers. So, in terms of months that the photo appeared, perhaps March/April 1944 (the jury still out on the precise year until we find the correct issue).
Monica
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Hi Monica, the year is the 1944, by this last infos, well is the sure issue..
from what Davide said me, when Fernanda knew abt the pregnancy , David left the area at same time.
Thanks a lot dear Monica,
your help is great!
suanj
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Hi, I read this article, very interesting, and it is mentioned LAGARO (hamleth of Castiglione dei Pepoli; in the article is mentioned only as Castiglione) just where Fernanda lived
http://www.bbc.co.uk/ww2peopleswar/stories/96/a4090196.shtml
it are the date abt the war in this area, as a well the UK force present in the area... this is the period time and the area where Fernanda and David had love story..
suanj
again on Castiglione:
"On June 17th and July lst, 1944, Kesselring issued orders on this subject. (Copies, with English translations, are annexed hereto and marked 'B' and 'C'). Document 'B' was found at Kesselring's H. Q., after the surrender of the German Forces, whilst Document 'C' was found amongst the records of the Ortskommandatur, Castiglione dei Popli, Nr. Bologna. Other evidence of the issue of this second order to German formations has been found. "
http://www.ess.uwe.ac.uk/genocide/partisans1.htm
" After the fall of Rome the 166th moved north under command of the 10th British Corps, then fighting in the mountainous terrain west of Ancona. During the first weeks of August the Regiment was engaged in the Citta di Castello area north of Perugia. For the remainder of the month, still in the mountains south of Florence, it supported Indian infantry formations near Anghiari, troops of the 85th U.S. Infantry Division and later the 24th Guards Brigade. At the beginning of September the Regiment crossed the Arno River and continued the advance through Castiglione to a position near Vergato, south of Bologna. During the winter of 1944-45 the 166th remained in support of the 24th Guards Brigade, then serving in the Fifth U.S. Army. Snow and ice made living conditions miserable and movement in the Apennines was hazardous. On 19 February 1945 the Regiment was taken out of the line for a rest, so ending an 18-month period during which it had been almost continuously active on the various fronts. It saw no more action. "
http://ibiblio.org/hyperwar/UN/Canada/CA/SixYears/SixYears-I.html
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Thanks to the very helpful staff at Lanark Library a part of the puzzle has been solved.
The date of issue of the Gazette article was 19 May 1944
Mrs Wm Jackson, 82 Miller Street, Carluke, has just received a letter from her husband, Private Jackson of the R.E.M.E., telling how he met up with his brothers, Robert and David, both of the Scots Guards, in Italy
The two Guardsmen got leave and travelled 400 miles on a motorcycle to visit their brother, William, who managed to get two days leave to spend with Robert and David. Needless to say the three men had a grand time. Their only regret was that John another brother, was not with them
Robert and David were wounded early this year by the same shell. Both now seem to be completely recovered.
Their are five of the Jacksons serving with the forces and they are the sons of Mr and Mrs A. Jackson, 9 Highmill Road, Carluke
I wonder if the upside down 'Y' tattoo mentioned in an earlier post was actually a scar from the shell wound.
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:-* :-* :-* You're a hero Sancti ;D
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Can anyone find out who was living at 9 Highmill Road Carluke on the 1901 census?
We now know that David was in the Scots Guards but we don't know where he went after the war?
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Nothing coming up for Highmill Road in 1901, just Low Mill or Mill Road.
Just checking SP for marriages for an A* Jackson in Carluke. Only one entry showing over a 30 year period between 1900-30 and that was for an Archibald Jackson, aged 41, and Annie Hunter, aged 35, in 1919 both with Glasgow addresses at the time of their marriage.
No idea at this stage who parents could be, but with all the names in the family you have provided from the newspaper, gives something to work with now ;)
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Thanks to the very helpful staff at Lanark Library a part of the puzzle has been solved.
The date of issue of the Gazette article was 19 May 1944
Mrs Wm Jackson, 82 Miller Street, Carluke, has just received a letter from her husband, Private Jackson of the R.E.M.E., telling how he met up with his brothers, Robert and David, both of the Scots Guards, in Italy
The two Guardsmen got leave and travelled 400 miles on a motorcycle to visit their brother, William, who managed to get two days leave to spend with Robert and David. Needless to say the three men had a grand time. Their only regret was that John another brother, was not with them
Robert and David were wounded early this year by the same shell. Both now seem to be completely recovered.
Their are five of the Jacksons serving with the forces and they are the sons of Mr and Mrs A. Jackson, 9 Highmill Road, Carluke
I wonder if the upside down 'Y' tattoo mentioned in an earlier post was actually a scar from the shell wound.
This is a terrific help! Thank you, thank you, thank you!
I have a big emotion! Sancti you are my hero!
Hugs a lot,
suanj
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Please to thank the Lanark Staff Archive!
Great people! Thanks a lot, I have no words for to say my thank!
suanj
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Nothing coming up for Highmill Road in 1901, just Low Mill or Mill Road.
Just checking SP for marriages for an A* Jackson in Carluke. Only one entry showing over a 30 year period between 1900-30 and that was for an Archibald Jackson, aged 41, and Annie Hunter, aged 35, in 1919 both with Glasgow addresses at the time of their marriage.
No idea at this stage who parents could be, but with all the names in the family you have provided from the newspaper, gives something to work with now ;)
Thanks Monica, oh my God, I have a big emotion now...
suanj
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Just hold your emotions Suanj.....we have found his birth family :D :D :D
I'm just trying to pull together what we have been finding in the last half hour or so.....
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Hi Monica so many thanks... calling Davide, he drive now near Bologna, back at home, and he is so happy!! So happy!
I cannot say my heart as is in this moment! Only wonderful people can make a miracle as this miracle!
suanj
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OK, working back from the information that Sancti confirmed this morning:
- we have David's parents showng as Mr & Mrs A Jackson living at 9 High Mill Street in 1944
- we also have brothers William, Robert, John confirmed from the newspaper cutting.
I believe David's parents were an Alexander Jackson, a coachman by occupation, and a Jeanie Gould Purdie who married in 1905 in Cambusnethan, Lanarkshire.
From Post No.2 here, Sancti mentioned a David Jackson born in Carluke in 1911 - we believe this is likely to Davide's father's birth.
I have been able to verify son John born in 1909 in Carluke to Alexander and Jeanie. There are also possible entries for son William (Robert's I can't easily see in Carluke).
The key document at this stage has been the death certicate for mother Jeanie in 1950. Her death was reported by her son William. Her address is 9 HIGH MILL ROAD - which is the key piece we were looking for to link it all together :D
Father Alexander looks to have died in 1968 in Carluke at the age of 85.
There are some restrictions on viewing certificates on the official pay to view site for Births/Marriage/Deaths for Scotland www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk There are cut off years after which you cannot view images of certificates on line:
Births - 1909
Marrriages - 1934
Deaths - 1959
Certificates after this date have to be ordered directly from SP or from the GROS (cheaper to do it through SP at £10 per certificate).
We do not know what became of David after the war years. I have had a look at deaths post 1944 for a David born 1911 +/-3 yrs, and there were 5 possibilities. I have looked at the two Davids that died pre 1959 and they are not connected. That leaves 3 possibilites but these can't be viewed on line and would have to be ordered (or someone may be able to do a look up at specific centres in Scotland). It may also be that David didn't die in Scotland. He may not have returned to Scotland after the war years.
But let be HAPPY that we are where we are at present!
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Now that he has been confirmed as being in the Scots Guards here is the address for their museum.
Scots Guards Museum
Wellington Barracks
Birdcage Walk
London
SW1E 6HQ
The service records of men who served during WW2 are still with the Ministry of Defence. However the Brigade of Guards appear to have a duplicate set. The MOD will only send a copy of a service record after you have supplied a copy of the death certificate, his army number and £30. Plus completing a 'next of kin' form, as only close relatives can receive details.
The Scots Guards Museum should however waiver the need for his army number if you tell them he was in Italy in 1943, as they should be able to discover his battalion from this information. But I am sure they will not supply any information without a copy of his death certificate. They will also probably require his date of birth to ensure they have the right man.
I suggest that you therefore continue to search for his birth certificate, and possible death certificate. The indexes to the death certificates should give his date of birth. You could enquire of the Scots Guards Museum if there is an old comrades association. Then write to them merely asking if a David Jackson, born in Carluke, Lanarkshire in approximately 192? is a member. If he is they should be willing to pass on a letter to him, without giving you his address.
If you mention your relationship and he is alive, their first reaction may be to give you no information if they fear prosecution under privacy laws. So I think giving only a few details would be best.
Ken
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Thanks for the information Ken - we needed the military research input here :) We have now his likely birth year of 1911 (which can be confirmed once we sight his birth entry) and possibilites for deaths, if he died in Scotland. Again, all things to work with :)
Monica
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I can't see any deaths in Scotland for David with mother's name PURDIE
Inconclusive, but he may have settled in Bermondsey after the war.
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Found Robert's birth in Carluke
1915 JACKSON ROBERT PURDIE Male at CARLUKE /LANARK
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OK, working back from the information that Sancti confirmed this morning:
- we have David's parents showng as Mr & Mrs A Jackson living at 9 High Mill Street in 1944
- we also have brothers William, Robert, John confirmed from the newspaper cutting.
I believe David's parents were an Alexander Jackson, a coachman by occupation, and a Jeanie Gould Purdie who married in 1905 in Cambusnethan, Lanarkshire.
From Post No.2 here, Sancti mentioned a David Jackson born in Carluke in 1911 - we believe this is likely to Davide's father's birth.
I have been able to verify son John born in 1909 in Carluke to Alexander and Jeanie. There are also possible entries for son William (Robert's I can't easily see in Carluke).
The key document at this stage has been the death certicate for mother Jeanie in 1950. Her death was reported by her son William. Her address is 9 HIGH MILL ROAD - which is the key piece we were looking for to link it all together :D
Father Alexander looks to have died in 1968 in Carluke at the age of 85.
There are some restrictions on viewing certificates on the official pay to view site for Births/Marriage/Deaths for Scotland www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk There are cut off years after which you cannot view images of certificates on line:
Births - 1909
Marrriages - 1934
Deaths - 1959
Certificates after this date have to be ordered directly from SP or from the GROS (cheaper to do it through SP at £10 per certificate).
We do not know what became of David after the war years. I have had a look at deaths post 1944 for a David born 1911 +/-3 yrs, and there were 5 possibilities. I have looked at the two Davids that died pre 1959 and they are not connected. That leaves 3 possibilites but these can't be viewed on line and would have to be ordered (or someone may be able to do a look up at specific centres in Scotland). It may also be that David didn't die in Scotland. He may not have returned to Scotland after the war years.
But let be HAPPY that we are where we are at present!
Thanks so much! It is wonderful!!
Hugs,
suanj
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Mother's maiden name is showing on the search results as 'not permissible' which is probably why nothing shows on general searches I would think.
There are 3 deaths showing that I haven't been able to view due to the cut off years:
1. David Young Jackson - 1960 - age 48, in Partick Glasgow. Haven't as yet seen a reference to surname Young so question mark on this entry
2. David Jackson - 1997 - aged 87, in Rutherglen Lanarkshire
3. David Jackson - 1997 - aged 87, in Dundee, Angus.
That's great re Robert, brother's likely birth in Carluke :)
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Thanks a lot to :
Sancti
km1971
Monica
and all wonderful people here!
suanj
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I am amazed, I go to work and go out for a card game, all the while wondering if anything new has been posted. To my surprise you all have been very busy. All I can say is Bravo.
Have you totally dismissed the idea he may be in England, also in the big emigration move some of the Jacksons had gone to Australia. Good Luck, I shall check back tomorrow.
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Found Robert's birth in Carluke
1915 JACKSON ROBERT PURDIE Male at CARLUKE /LANARK
this record matching ... it is the right brother of David; so the people on genealogic tree by Genes Reunited (Valerie R.) it is not the same Jacksons that we are searching for...
we know by Monica that some children of Alexander Jackson and Jeannie Purdie was in Carluke:
-William Jackson born in 19 oct 1904
-Alexander Jackson born the 30 Jan 1908
-John Jackson born the 18 Sep 1909
-Mary Jackson born the 29 Aug 1911
-Robert Jackson born the 11 march 1915
David Jackson must been born in 1920
and lacking the names of other children..
suanj
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Just for background, the names and dates of birth for the children of Alexander and Jeanie came from Alexander Jackson's, David's father, WW1 attestment & service records.
Alexander looks to have been discharged from the army in 1919. I think this may explain the gap in children between 1915-19 (Jeanie must have been already expecting son Robert when father Alexander joined the army in September 1914).
Monica :)
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Thanks a lot Monica!
Hugs,
suanj
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Hi Suanj,
I had been contacted by someone who is obviously trying to assist you in your search for the whereabouts of David Jackson, son of Alexander Jackson and Jeanie Gould Purdie. David Jackson born Carluke 1920, son of Alexander Jackson and Jeanie Gould Purdie, was my father's cousin. Alexander born Carluke 1890, was my Grandfather John Jackson's brother. I was advised to go to the posts on Roots Chat, which I did and fully understand the reason for your search. I have the information that has already been posted on the site, but not the background to Davide Perini's plight. I have noted the story and thank you for the pictures, which I will now include in my tree. I can see from the postings that you have already had a response from my cousin. If I come up with anything I will let you know. I have the family back to 1663 and will be happy to let you have any historical information.
Kind Regards,
John Jackson
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Hi Suanj,
I had been contacted by someone who is obviously trying to assist you in your search for the whereabouts of David Jackson, son of Alexander Jackson and Jeanie Gould Purdie. David Jackson born Carluke 1920, son of Alexander Jackson and Jeanie Gould Purdie, was my father's cousin. Alexander born Carluke 1890, was my Grandfather John Jackson's brother. I was advised to go to the posts on Roots Chat, which I did and fully understand the reason for your search. I have the information that has already been posted on the site, but not the background to Davide Perini's plight. I have noted the story and thank you for the pictures, which I will now include in my tree. I can see from the postings that you have already had a response from my cousin. If I come up with anything I will let you know. I have the family back to 1663 and will be happy to let you have any historical information.
Kind Regards,
John Jackson
Hi John,
thank for your reply;
Alexander Jackson was born around 1883, because he was 22 at marriage’s time in 1905. A member of RootsChat sent me the marriage record… however I am sure that is the same Alexander.
Abt Davide Perlini’s plight, well it was a sad situation, but he had the mother’s love; Davide now is a ex postman, now in pension and living in Bologna town…
Here, also, the story in italian language www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bF2tI4Q3TE
Our main goal is to know if David Jackson is died or not and where is the gravestone.. maybe he married and had children, who know? If you can help in this finding let me know..
Thanks a lot,
suanj
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For reference, this looks to be Alexander, David's father, at home with family as a child. From the 1891 census in Carluke - all the children are showing as born in Carluke:
William Jackson 49, blacksmith, b. Lanark, Lanarkshire
Susan Jackson 42 b. Symington Lanarkshire
William Jackson 26 blacksmith
Hugh Jackson 17 sailor
John Jackson 14 Blacksmith Apprentice
Walter Jackson 10
Alex Jackson 8
Peter Jackson 5
David Jackson 3
Address: Market Place, Carluke
Monica :)
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Thanks Monica,
sure it is the right family!
Hugs,
suanj
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Something happend to my last post - it disappeared!
I gave you the wrong parents of Alexander. It should have been William Jackson and Susan Todd.
John
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Here are all the Census records for the family.
1851 Census
Address: Halltown of Nemphlar, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Persons Residing at above location:
William Jackson, Head, Married, 44 years old, Cotton Hand Loom Weaver, born - Lanark, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Marion Jackson, Wife, Married, 41 years old, Cotton Winder, born - Lanark, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Marion Jackson, Daughter,18 years old, Cotton Hand Loom Weaver, born - Lanark, Lanarkshire, Scotland
John Jackson, Son, 16 years old, Cotton Hand Loom Weaver, born - Lanark, Lanarkshire, Scotland
James Jackson, Son, 14 years old, Cotton Hand Loom Weaver, born - Lanark, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Helen Jackson, Daughter,12 years old, Cotton Winder, born - Lanark, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Walter Jackson, Son, 10 years old, Cotton Hand Loom Weaver, born - Lanark, Lanarkshire, Scotland
William Jackson, Son, 8 years old, Scholar, born - Lanark, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Mary Jackson, Daughter, 6 years old, Scholar, born - Lanark, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Ann Jackson, Daughter, 4 years old, born - Lanark, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Adam Jackson, Son, 1 year old, born - Lanark, Lanarkshire, Scotland
James Jackson, Brother, 46 years old, Cotton Hand Loom Weaver, born - Lanark, Lanarkshire, Scotland
1861 Census
Address: Frenbank Cottages, Halltown of Nemphlar, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Persons Residing at above location:
William Jackson, Head, Married, 52 years old, Cotton Hand Loom Weaver, born - Lanark, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Marion Jackson, Wife, Married, 50 years old, Cotton Winder, born - Lanark, Lanarkshire, Scotland
William Jackson, Son, Unmarried, 18 years old, Blacksmith, born - Lanark, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Mary Jackson, Daughter, Unmarried, 16 years old, Cotton Weaver, born - Lanark, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Adam Jackson, Son, 12 years old, Scholar, born - Lanark, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Alexander Jackson, Son, 6 years old, Scholar, born - Lanark, Lanarkshire, Scotland
James Jackson, Brother, Unmarried, 56 years old, Tea Traveler, born - Lanark, Lanarkshire, Scotland
1881 Census
Address: Stewart Street, Carluke, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Persons Residing at above location:
William Jackson, Head, Married, 39 years old, Blacksmith (1 Man 1 Boy), born - Nemphlar, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Susan Jackson (nee Todd), Wife, Married, 33 years old, born - Symington, Lanarkshire, Scotland
William Jackson, Son, 16 years old, Apprentice Blacksmith, born - Carluke, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Annie Jackson, Daughter, 14 years old, born - Carluke, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Adam Jackson, Son, 12 years old, Flesher, born - Carluke, Lanarkshire, Scotland
James Jackson, Son, 9 years old, Scholar, born - Carluke, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Hugh Jackson, Son, 7 years old, Scholar, born - Carluke, Lanarkshire, Scotland
John Jackson, Son, 4 years old, born - Carluke, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Walter Jackson, Son, 10 months old, born - Carluke, Lanarkshire, Scotland
1891 Census
Address: Market Place, Carluke, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Persons Residing at above location:
William Jackson, Head, Married, 49 years old, Blacksmith, born - Nemphlar, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Susan Jackson (nee Todd), Wife, Married, 42 years old, born - Symington, Lanarkshire, Scotland
William Jackson, Son, 26 years old, Blacksmith, born - Carluke, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Hugh Jackson, Son,17 years old, Sailor, born - Carluke, Lanarkshire, Scotland
John Jackson, Son, 14 years old, Apprentice Blacksmith, born - Carluke, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Walter Jackson, Son, 10 years old, Scholar, born - Carluke, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Alex Jackson, Son, 8 years old, Scholar, born - Carluke, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Peter Jackson, Son, 5 years old, Scholar, born - Carluke, Lanarkshire, Scotland
David Jackson, Son, 3 years old, Scholar, born - Carluke, Lanarkshire, Scotland
1901 Census
Address: Stewart Street, Carluke, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Persons Residing at above location:
Susan Jackson (nee Todd), Head, 54 years old, born - Symington, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Hugh Jackson, Son, 28 years old, Sailor, born - Carluke, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Walter Jackson, Son, 21 years old, Clerk, born - Carluke, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Peter Jackson, Son, 15 years old, Grocer, born - Carluke, Lanarkshire, Scotland
David Jackson, Son, 13 years old, Draker (Draper), born - Carluke, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Ann Barr, Boarder, 81 years old, born - Carnwath, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Walker (Walter) McLachlan, Boarder, 20 years old, Clerk, born - Blackwood, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Susan Ramage, Visitor, 14 years old, born - Wishaw, Lanarkshire, Scotland
John
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That's great info John :D
Monica
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Some information on Davide Perlini's Great Great Grandfather researched on site by me 2 years ago.
William Jackson was born in Nemphlar, Lanarkshire. It was in Lanark that William met and married his wife Marion Brown where they moved to the Weavers Cottages in Halltown of Nemphlar. The cottages were known as Linnbank Cottages which stood on the North side of Linnhead Farm on the banks of the River Clyde. All that remains of the cottages now are some stone ruins which are overgrown with trees and shrubs. However when William and his family lived in this row of weavers cottages, the area would have been quiet with an outlook down the sloping farm to the River Clyde where a basic ferry crossed the river to Kirkfieldbank. While William and his sons work on the Cotton Hand Loom in their cottage at Linnbank, Marion and her daughters worked at the New Lanark Mills where they would spin cotton into yarn. Linnbank Cottages were just over 2 miles from the New Lanark Mills which Marion and her daughters would have walked both ways every working day.
At this time the village of Nemphlar was split into Nemphlar, East-town of Nemphlar and Halltown of Nemphlar. Halltown of Nemphlar was a small area of the town consisting of a cottage on the left as you entered the village. This cottage was occupied by a weaver of the famous Nemphlar Blankets and a subsequent holder of the Victoria Cross. To the right of this cottage is a pathway leading to Linnbank Cottages and the River Clyde. Lying to the left of the pathway is a row of cottages and a "Bastle", which is a type of fortified house and listed building. Halltown of Nemphlar consisted of little more than these buildings at this time.
When William was in his 70's, he moved from the weavers cottages at Linnbank across the River Clyde to Kirkfieldbank to live with his daughter Mary and son-in-law Scott.
John
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John
Have you followed through on deaths and cemeteries? I am wondering where the Jacksons as a family were buried, maybe more than one cemetery? I am wondering where Alexander and wife Jeanie could have been buried (1950 and 1968) and perhaps some mention on the gravestone to their children.
Monica
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Give me a few mins to check my data files.
John
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I have had a search and I don't have any specific information on the death of Alex but my grandfather John Jackson who would have been a cousin of Alex was buried in Wilton Cemetery in Carluke. This cemetery seemed to be popular with the Jackson's.
I assume a post has been made on the Carluke Community site. This is where I met a few family members.
John
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Hi John,
thank you!
You have no more infos abt David Jackson? no family's rumor where he lived?
Thanks,
suanj
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Suanj,
Our Jackson family were very much individuals with their own ideas on what they wanted to do in life and where they wanted to be (hence I have worked all over the World and now live in Spain). Not one of my Grandfather's children remained in Carluke and I suppose my father was the closest in Glasgow. The rest moved to the North of Scotland and South to England. The same is the case for other branches of the family. And to make things worse, they were a family that never kept in touch.
"Never say Never" as they say we may come up with a breakthrough. Have you placed a post on the Carluke Community Site - worth a try.
John
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Thanks John for the reply...
so it are no a way for to know more...
however on Carluke Community the message is been posted by Woodworth my friend and member also of RootsChat...
Thanks a lot,
all the best,
suanj
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Thanks for checking John :) Wilton Cemetery does seem to be the most obvious cemetery doesn't it.
I found this earlier:
The records for all the cemeteries we maintain are held at our Cemeteries Section at 18 Forrest Street in Blantyre.
These are public documents therefore if you want to find out where someone is buried, you can call at the reception and our cemeteries' staff will try to help you trace the records you need.
www.southlanarkshire.gov.uk
I've emailed on one of the links on the site requesting burial info on Jeanie and Alexander Jackson, with very specific dates for Jeanie from her DC and just a year (1968) for Alexander. I don't know if there are any charges for this or whether they can assist with the info I have provided. Let's wait and see :)
Monica
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Suanj, re the Carluke Community site, I have seen George Woodworth's message there :) It would probably be a good idea to put up another post there given that there is so much more identifying information now for the family. We have his parents' names and when they died, brothers (at least three of their names apart from David) and the last address on record (from Jeanie's death cert of 9 High Mills Road).
All helps :)
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Hi Monica it is a good idea.. I wish to give your advice to George Woodworth....
but knowing the right birthdate maybe could be more helpful, so we must wait a bit of time...
I found also this record:
NAME: David Jackson
BIRTH: abt 1920
DEPARTURE: Bombay, India
ARRIVAL: 3 Nov 1947 - London, England
OTHER: Bombay( last residence)
profession: soldier; address in UK: 17 Pembridge Gdns London W.2
travel crossed..
hugs,
suanj
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Something that is worth considering is David Jackson's service record. I know it has been mentioned before by Ken, but I sent for my father's service record and found that he didn't just sign up for the war effort, but he was a regular soldier and had in fact served 7 years in the army. A lot can change in the real world during this time and if David was the same then his mother may have died before he left the army. If he befriended other soldiers in the army they may have kept in touch - I believe there is a specific site for this.
Secondly, it seems to me that David and his brothers were very close, it might be better looking for his brothers John, William and Robert in the hope that some of their of-springs can throw some light on the situation. I think that his brother William might have married Barbara Stirling Murray in Carluke 1929. Perhaps this is a line to pursue - but again the certificate would have to be purchased.
John
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Can I just remind you guys that you shouldn't mention living people on Rootschat, in order to preserve their privacy?
You've been cut a lot of slack so far and it's a tremendous effort - but please respect that rule for the brothers' families, who are likely still alive.
Wishing you all good luck in tracing the family, just the same!
Kind regards, Arranroots ;)
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You are absolute right Arranroots :) - we are now treading a fine line on the post regarding people who may possibly be still be alive which is contra to RootsChat policy.
Certainly anything after the Brothers Jackson on the open forum would take us into this area.
Monica
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Thanks Monica - I hate being a party-pooper!!
However, knowing what clever, creative people you are I'm sure you can find ways to communicate by PM when you get into that area and the rest can stay here quite safely!
8)
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Sorry Arranroots,
Got a little carried away - will PM
Regards,
Hootsman
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I live in stotfold, And the david jackson who was in the 10th Agyll and southern Highland was a cousin of mine on my mothers side.
The attached photograph of the the scots Guard, Davi Weir, Was sent to me from a cousin in the USA,
The other is of my mothers half sister Mary Ritchi weir, and the mother of David Weir Jacksonof the argylls who is buired in north africa
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Hi Joe
Welcome to RootsChat :)
Are you related to behnybaby who posted here on this topic? She provided some details on the David Jackson who died in WW2 in 1943 (see post no. 12 and 14).
Monica
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I have no idea who bunnybaby is, But I am related to The Jackson from both Carluke and Muirhead, My Mothers Half sister Mary Ritchie Weir was the mother of David Weir Jackson who died of his wounds in north Africa 1942, His sister was known to all as Honey. And the Father was my uncle Ephraim Jackson who went live in London.
The uniform is of the Scots Guards
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Hi Joe
There were a few David Jackson's born in Carluke :) The one that you are related to was born in 1924 in Carluke and died in 1943, son of Ephraim Jackson and Mary Weir.
From behnybaby's posts on this thread (no.12 and 14):
2993186, 7/10th Bn., Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders
Who died age 20
On 06 April 1943
ENFIDAVILLE WAR CEMETERY
Have a look at this other post from behnybaby on your line and Ephraim's father, John Jackson
www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,430010.0.html
Monica :)
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The photographs of the Jackson brothers in Italy where sent to me from a cousin in the united states.
The guards seem to be a family regiment, There was also John Jackson who was at wellington barracks and married Bessie colburn in 1890, I believe Bessie was in the service of Queen Victoria, In 1894 John and Bessie were living back in Carluke John was a waterworks keeper Coldstream Carluke. The Photo is The Enfidaville war cemetery, Joe
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Hi joemacd,
thanks for your kind interest, but the David Jackson that we are searching for, well the father was:
Alexander Jackson born in Carluke abt 1883; married in 1905 at Jeanie Purdie( born abt 1884-Westcalder, Edinburgh; resident in Cambusnethan-by 1891 census and after in Carluke).
Hootsman posted the right Jackson's branch family in previous posts..
Thanks,
suanj
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I had a wander around the 2 cemeteries in Carluke this morning but did not come across Alexander and Jeannies grave. I did take photos of some Jackson headstones including one which contains the name Ramage. I will email them to Hootsman to see if they have any relevance to his family
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Sancti
Hopefully the snow has cleared your way ;) Steady rain in London today :'(
Monica
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A little bit of an update.....
I never cease to be amazed by people's generosity of time and effort :)
A lady from the South Lanarkshire Bereavement Services has been in touch with me this morning following my email last week enquiring about the resting place of Alexander and wife Jeanie.
She has emailed me the following:
I have done a search for the people you are looking for, they are both buried in Carluke Wilton Cemetery, the lair is Section H lair number 233. Below I have noted who is all in the lair:
27/2/1922 Walter Jackson 7months
6/8/1924 Annie Jackson 4months
5/12/1925 Hugh Jackson 1day
2/3/1933 Jeanie P Jackson 2days
26/3/1942 S B C Jackson Stillborn
21/11/1950 Jeanie Jackson 67yrs
6/2/1968 Alexander Jackson 86yrs
I have checked the records but unfortunately there is no headstone on this lair. If your friend requires someone to meet him at the cemetery and take him to the lair this can be arranged. If you call this office we will arrange this for him just give us a call nearer the time. If I can be of any more assistance please do not hesitate to contact me.
How sad to see so many early deaths for the children :'( Not sure if certainly the last couple of births were children or grandchildren of Alexander and Jeanie given the years).
The lack of headstone explains why you weren't able to see anything for Alexander and Jeanie when you wandered round the cemetery on Saturday, Sancti.
Another HUGE thank you to the South Lanarkshire BServ. :)
Monica
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Monica,
I agree with you. It restores you faith in humanity!
John
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Dear Monica,
thank you so much and thanks to all wonderful people that help me...
seeming that nobody David Jackson brothers died in Carluke... so they moved ... Thanks again.
Hugs a lot,
suanj
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Cheers to all, a place we can all come together, show how much can be accomplished in a common effort to make one persons dream come true. :D
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yes behnybaby, maybe the dream will be true... without the efforts of Rootschat members nothing was possible; instead by help we know more abt David..
abt 3 or 4 years ago, 2 young men, Jacksons, going in Italy following the italian battle's places of British in WWII ... around Grizzana town, they asked to inhabitants abt a miss Fernanda...
they searching of Davide mother, the only Fernanda that was in the area in WWII..
for bad luck the old farmer that remembering that, no speaking english; he remembering that they was searching for "Signorina Fernanda"(Miss Fernanda) but it was a great difficult abt the language...
abt this argument in the link that I provided of italian TV channell it are the entire interview to old farmer..
I believe that they was related to David...
hugs,
suanj
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How tantalisingly frustrating the mention of the two young men searching for a Signorina Fernanda but a few years ago ;D
I am bilingual with Spanish and understood most of what was said on the Italian TV clip.....but missed the farmer story completely :P I am going back now to see that section! I assume it is on this one www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bF2tI4Q3TE
Monica
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There is something that I should mention about our Jackson ancestors in Carluke, which, although may not help, it might help clear up a matter of the "upside down Y" on David Jackson's arm. We Jackson were Presbyterians and most of the men were members of the Masonic Lodge. Some of the men would have the sign of the Masonic Lodge tattooed on their arm. The sign could be mistaken for an upside down Y. The masonic lodge may keep records.
John
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How tantalisingly frustrating the mention of the two young men searching for a Signorina Fernanda but a few years ago ;D
I am bilingual with Spanish and understood most of what was said on the Italian TV clip.....but missed the farmer story completely :P I am going back now to see that section! I assume it is on this one www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bF2tI4Q3TE
Monica
Hi Monica the man here www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bF2tI4Q3TE
is Davide Perlini!
the old farmer is here http://www.rai.tv/dl/RaiTV/programmi/media/ContentItem-18f41c4e-ea38-4fc4-a9dd-b9021f48c02d.html
really we know not with certainty that the 2 young men was Jacksons, but Davide investigated and he knew that really was 2 Jacksons travelling in Italy in same period time...
hugs, suanj
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I know that Davide Perlini is Davide ::) I just didn't have the link to the other clip with the farmer ;D
Thanks, I'll check it later.
Monica
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Monica, in the first part of TV italian channell service, it are the old farmer with journalist; in the second part the interview at Davide Perlini... I know that is necessary to install Microsoft Silverlight for to see it... you can find it here http://www.microsoft.com/silverlight/default.aspx
hugs,
suanj
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What about checking the Carluke Gazette archives on and around the dates of Jeanie and Alexander deaths to see if their is any family information in obituary or article. Where was Alexander living at the time of his death. If he owned his house or had a will , the records will show executor of his estate, death certificate may list one of the boys.
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Hi Behnybaby,
We have had a breakthrough. Will email the situation.
John
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All great ideas Marie :)
I seem to have spent the last few days saying HUGE thank yous to lots of people who have helped with this search.....and today is no different ;D
Fellow RootsChatter Brian (yokerbrian) very kindly looked up at New Register House the 1920 birth entry we had found for a David Jackson and has confirmed the entry is the correct one :D
David was born on 28th APRIL 1920 at 8h. 30m PM at 11 School Lane, CARLUKE, parents Alexande and Jeanie.
The address of School Lane, Carluke corresponds with the address given on Alexader's WW1 service papers.
Brian also confirmed the later births of sons Walter and Hugh, who South Lanarkshire Bereavement Services confirmed as also having been buried in the family lair.
The 1968 death entry for an Alexander Jackson is also the correct one :) Alexander died at Strathclyde Hospital, Motherwell. His usual residence was 55 Shieldhill Road, Carluke. His date of death was 2nd February 1968.
Great work Brian ;D
Monica
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Hi John, thank you!
suanj
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All great ideas Marie :)
I seem to have spent the last few days saying HUGE thank yous to lots of people who have helped with this search.....and today is no different ;D
Fellow RootsChatter Brian (yokerbrian) very kindly looked up at New Register House the 1920 birth entry we had found for a David Jackson and has confirmed the entry is the correct one :D
David was born on 28th APRIL 1920 at 8h. 30m PM at 11 School Lane, CARLUKE, parents Alexande and Jeanie.
The address of School Lane, Carluke corresponds with the address given on Alexader's WW1 service papers.
Brian also confirmed the later births of sons Walter and Hugh, who South Lanarkshire Bereavement Services confirmed as also having been buried in the family lair.
The 1968 death entry for an Alexander Jackson is also the correct one :) Alexander died at Strathclyde Hospital, Motherwell. His usual residence was 55 Shieldhill Road, Carluke. His date of death was 2nd February 1968.
Great work Brian ;D
Monica
Hi Monica and Brian, you made my day!
I found this death:
David Jackson
birth: 29 Apr 1920
death: Dec 1994 - Camden, London, England
it could be our David '
hugs,
suanj
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I was looking at that possible death last night....could well be. Although one day out on birth day, it may just be down to who reported the death.
There are also a number of possible deaths in Scotland.
Monica
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suanj,
If your contact in London can acquire this death certificate it should give the spouse (if any) and the parents, perhaps a child if it was one of his children who reported the death. Do you intend purchasing this cert?
John
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I went back to Wilton Cemetery today and checked the lair details that Monica was given. I can confirm that there is no headstone for that lair. :(
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suanj,
If your contact in London can acquire this death certificate it should give the spouse (if any) and the parents, perhaps a child if it was one of his children who reported the death. Do you intend purchasing this cert?
John
Hi John, I will purchase the birth certificate, and I wish ask to my italian friend in London, if he can purchase the death certificate of David Jackson died in Camden the dec 1994, because I think that is our David Jackson .... it is no a coincidence the same birthdate, and in effect David given a Bermondsey address in 1944... so London... I found also probable marriage record in Hampstead, London in post war time... frankly I believe it could be our David...
I know not where to search for the obituary, but maybe in some newspaper London area it could be a obit abt this David Jackson... it could be very helpful...
Thanks a lot,
suanj
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I went back to Wilton Cemetery today and checked the lair details that Monica was given. I can confirm that there is no headstone for that lair. :(
Thanks a lot Sancti! The search made so much progress for your effort and the efforts of all members here... I am so grateful!
Hugs,
suanj
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Hi All,
Just to let you know that I have compiled an email with story and forwarded it to the Carluke Gazette.
Fingers crossed!!!!!!!!!!
John
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YES!
finger crossed!
God bless,
suanj
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:D A happy ending and concluding post from me today!
I have sent via PM further details to Suanj but thought anyone following this story might want to know.
I have been on the phone today with a nephew of David Jackson who is in touch with David's descendants. Hopefully, a happy ending to Davide's search for information about his father David.
I think we have gone as far as we can now on RootsChat - brilliant result with the help of so many people ;D
Monica
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I cannot say my happiness! Monica you are a true detective! this is a true miracle! and I must to thank you and all friends here that helped so much.Thanks Rootschatters! You are great persons.
God bless,
Raffaella
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That's fantastic news Monica, it just goes to show that whilst we may have our own brickwalls to face, the community spirit on RC has helped pull together and hopefully in someway to resolve Davide's life long search for his soldier father.
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I have followed your search every day and I would like to say the help everyone has given is Rootschat at its best. The time and effort everyone has put in is absolutely brilliant. What a great result.
Liz
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I've been watching this thread from the beginning too.
Saying 'Well Done" doesn't really come near to what you guys have achieved - fantastic work all round!
Only one thing though ......... it won't be the same not 'tuning-in' to see what's happened next!
Great stuff.
Anne
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After a day of pulling our hair out, Monica finally managed to crack it, so it's well done to all, but a big thanks to Monica.
John
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Great Job everyone, I hope all works our well for Davide.
Dear Davide,
As distant as the miles and ocean that separates our homes and the many branches on our tree, for my branch let me welcome you to the tree of Jackson's from Carluke. Good Luck and
God Bless, Marie Behn
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Hi benhybaby,
saying abt your welcome to Davide, well he thank so much ... Davide is very happy abt the finding, and thanks to all RootsChatters for to help a italian man searching own father.. hugs,
suanj
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I am cousan of davida that monica contacted and the family are very happy to have found davide belongs to the jackson family, God bless and thank you to all who helped make this happen..
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Hi Alex,
yes God bless all wonderful peoples here...!!!
I'm Raffaella( suanj nickname), Davide's friend... thanks everyone here,
greetings from Italy,
suanj
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thank you sandji
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The photographs of the Jackson brothers in Italy where sent to me from a cousin in the united states.
The guards seem to be a family regiment, There was also John Jackson who was at wellington barracks and married Bessie colburn in 1890, I believe Bessie was in the service of Queen Victoria, In 1894 John and Bessie were living back in Carluke John was a waterworks keeper Coldstream Carluke. The Photo is The Enfidaville war cemetery, Joe
The John Jackson at Wellington barracks and Bessie Colborne you refer are my great grandparents. My father Tom was younger brother of David Weir Jackson killed in Tunisia in 1943 during WW2. His mother Mary Weir died when Tom was 2 in 1934. Please get in touch for further info.