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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Devon => Topic started by: mfb1025 on Monday 04 January 10 19:00 GMT (UK)
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If anyone has any information on the following people it would be gratefully received.
This is all I have to date:
1869 Richard DOYLE was born in Cashel, Tipperary, Ireland on Mar 5, to John DOYLE and Johanna/Judith WITHERO. He was baptized on Mar 7 1869.
His godmother was Mary BUTLER.
According to his military record he was living in England by 1888. He was a bombadier with the Royal Artillary. His mother Johanna/Judith and younger brother William were listed as his contact people, living in Waterford, Johnstown.
In 1892 he married Matilda DARKE, daughter of Richard DARKE and Mary Ann VERES.
The witnesses were J. ROCKY and Lavinia DARKE I have received the registry for this.
Children:
Claud Antony 1896
Kathleen May 1899
Douglas Pat 1906
Mary Patricia b. 1912
He was a member of the Royal Garrison Artillary from 1888-1909 and 1915-1918.
In 1915 he is listed on WWI Pension Records as living at 18 Brittania Pl. Prince Rock, Plymouth, England.
In 1940 he is cited on his sisters obituary as surviving her and living in England.
Thank you and happy searching to you,
Maureen
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Hi
The reference for their marriage is December qtr 1892 Plymouth Volume 5B Page 619
You can order a copy of the marriage cert online at www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/
Cost is £7 but only his fathers name and occupation will be shown - English and Welsh marriage certs do not show a mothers name
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A search on the free 1911 index shows the following family living in Devon
Richard Doyle b 1869
Matilda Louise b Devon 1873
Claud Antony 1896
Kathleen May 1899
Douglas Pat 1906
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Thanks. I was just trying to search that record and kept coming up empty.
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Re : CSM Richard Doyle
Hi,
If you go to the Irish census for 1911 and 1901 at www.census.nationalarchives.ie (it's free)
Search the census for Johanna Doyle living with her daughter in Waterford.
For 1911 she is shown for living at house No 7 Well road Waterford
For 1901 she is shown as living at 20 Tramore Old Rd Waterford
This is the same woman. Her age in one of them is incorrect.
This woman's maiden name is Withroe/Withero from Cashel Co. Tipp
This is Sgt Major Doyle's mother. The Mary Power listed is her daughter. Her (Mary's) daughter is the Kate on the census form. This is my Grandmother. Johanna Doyle is my great great grandmother.
Johanna is buried in The Chapel Of Ease, Ferrybank Parish, Waterford, Ireland.
Mary Power is Richards sister and my grat grandmother.
Mary
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Hi,
Thank you, I had found Johanna living with Mary and I did know Mary and Richard were siblings. I had received the baptism records form Cashel, and have been researching trying to find all the siblings. Mary and Richard had a sister Kate, she stood up for Mary when she married. She is my Great Grandmother, she had a daughter Agnes, who had a daughter Mary, who had me !
Kate married George Robinson ( my brick wall) in Waterford and they came to Boston Ma. William a younger brother to Kate, Mary & Richard joined the Robinson's.
Would love to hear more and share more. I am in Falmouth, Massachusetts. I did not know where Johanna was burried, thank you for that information
Best,
Maureen
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Hi again,
I looked at my records and realized I have never found a death date for Johanna Withero Doyle. I have John Doyle, son of Matthew and Catherine Burke as dying in Feb of 1884, do you know if he is buried with Johanna?
Here is a picture of Catherine Doyle Robinson b.1860 - d. 1940, Mary'd sister
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Many thanks for the photo. I will try and find out as much as I can. I will be at home in Waterford next week and will make some enquiries. I have just started research and at the moment I have disjointed info all over the place. Irish families are very confusing as we keep recycling the same Christian names over and over again as you prob already know. When I have anything new I will post it. If there is any money involved ...well what can I say 8)
Amb
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This is what I have found so far:
Matthew Doyle M. Catherine Burke: Our GGG Grandparents
John Doyle b. Feb 1834 Boherclough, Cashel , Tipperary
Sponsors Richard Ryan & Mary Ryan
Judith Withero b. abt. 1837 Ballinahinch, Tipperary
Married Jan 16, 1855 Knockaville, Tipperary
Children:
Richard 1855-1856
Mary 1857-bef. 1864
Catherine 1858-1859
Catherine 1860-1940 -Kate
Johanna 1863- bef. 1875
Mary 1864-
Margaret 1866
Richard 1869-1947
Bridget 1870 -
William 1874-at least 1940 ( Surviving in Kate's Obit.)
Johanna 1875 -
Judith had a brother Richard Withero who married Margaret Organ
Johanna b. 1867, Mary b. 1868 and Richard b. 1873
Judith had a sister Catherine Withero
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Maureen,
My brother rang me to say that the date on Johanna's gravestone shows 1913.
He thinks that this could be out by a couple of years though as the date for her daughter Mary is incorrect. When I get to Waterford next week I will pop in and have a look at the book entries.
'Sometimes' these can have a cross reference showing communion/confirmation/wedding date.
I wouldn't be confident on this point though as Sgt Major Doyle doesn't show his religion as RC.
Also Withero is not a RC name in general.
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If I'm not imposing to ask, and the books are easy to access I would love to find out if there is a record for Catherine Doyle marrying George W Robinson about 1883. He is noted as being born in 1863 in Waterford, but we have found nothing to lead us towards his parents. We don't know where he began and as he left the family in 1914 - we don't his end either.
If you see anything anything when you are lookiing at the Doyles, I'd appreciate the information.
Most of the information I gave you previously regarding births marriages - came from Tipperary Family History Research of records from the Archdiocese of Cashel.
Have a good trip
Best
Maureen
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That wont be a prob. I will try and find some mention of him in the civil registry office in Dublin first.
A lot of our civil records were destroyed in the Custom house attack during the War Of Independence and more again from the Four Courts Offices during the Civil War. If They are there I should be able to find some trace.
Ambrose
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Maureen,
Searched the indexes in the office in Dublin for George W Robinson marrying abt 1883. I searched from 1880 to 1888 but couldn't find anything. Neither could I find a birth cert for him. However you note that he was born in 1863 and the records for civil registrations only commence at 1864. I searched a couple of years around that date but nothing. Your brick wall is proving more difficult than the Berlin Wall to crack.
As regards Johanna Doyle. Yes the gravestone in Waterford shows an incorrect date as we expected. Johanna died on 14 June 1914 in the Union Hospital Waterford. Cause of death as far as I can make out is down as 'Mitral Disease/General oedema certified'
Regarding the grave at the chapel of ease. Her daughter Mary power (died 1929 aged 67 yrs) and Bridget Power - daughter of Mary (died 1938 aged 33) Christy Power (died 7 April 1979) and his wife
Josie Spain are also in the same grave. Margaret Barrett (nee Power died 13 Dec 1974) is also in the same graveyard but not same grave.
I will keep an eye out for the Robinson side as I begin to fill in more of my tree. Hopefully that wall will be scaled.
Ambrose
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Ambrose,
Thank you for your search. It was quite generous of you to look so extensively for George. We know he was a compositor on his immigration papers and I believe that was noted on his sons birth record. He did work in the printing business here, so hopefully that rules out that he changed his name and was on the run from the constables.
His son, John Joseph's birth record April 21, 1885, notes Arundel Square, Waterford. He was their only child born in Ireland, Catherine and John remained in Waterford for 3 years after George left for America. I would not be suprised if Mary Powers was his Godmother.
I have attached John's picture as he would be a distant cousin of yours.
Thank you for all the information on the Mary Powers family. My mother, who is 90. has so enjoyed hearing anything I find out about her grandmothers family. They were very close.
Hopefully, some day I'll make it over there and pay my respects at the gravesite in person. If you ever get a snapshot of the memorial stone I would love a copy.
Thank you again, Maureen