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Hi,
I’m looking for connections to the Yeates family from Dublin who originated from Balscadden. I am particularly interested in any details relating to the following line:
Andrew Yeates b c1699
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Andrew Yeates born Balscaden, Whitestown, Co. Dublin 1735
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Kendrick Yeates born Dublin 1776
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Talbot Falkner Yeates born Dublin 1812
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Thomas Goldrick Yeates born Dublin c1833
I am a descendant of Thomas’ younger brother Frederick. Through connections I have made with distant relatives in Australia I have a comprehensive family tree but would like to know if there are any Yeates’ left in Dublin to whom I am distantly related.
Many thanks
Lorraine
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Lorraine
At the risk of adding to your problems are you aware that Shaw's Directory for Dublin 1850 lists George ,William & Mrs Yeates in its Index
Quaxer
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Thanks for that. I'll have a look.
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I HAVE JUST COME ACROSS YOUR SITE RE- THE YEATES FAMILY
I AM AT PRESENT RESEARCHING MY HUSBANDS FAMILY AND ANREW YEATES 1735 IS HIS 4TH GT GRANDFATHER
KENDRICK YEATES HIS 3RD GT GRANDFATHER(son of Andrew)
HIs family are a mix of Quakers and Hugenouts. He was born in Dublin
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Have just found this forum. I've been researching the Yeates family for about 20 years now. I already know Lorraine & Bray.
Re George, William & Mrs Yeates in the Directories-
George was George Mitchell, son of Samuel, and the junior partner in Yeates & Son, Opticians (Optical instrument makers) a shop made famous by James Joyce in "Ulysses" Mr Bloom, the hero " crossed at Nassau Street corner and stood before the window of Yeates and Son, pricing the field glasses.” That was in 1904 on "Bloomsday".
I don't know who William was. The other Wms were dead by 1850.
Mrs Yeates was probably the same as Sarah Yeates in the 1842 Dir. She was probably Sarah Wilkinson, the wife of Mason Yeates, who was the son of William 1768-1834, brother of Samuel, Kendrick etc.
Lorraine has Andrew as their father , which seems OK, but I have Andrew's father as William, b. abt 1690.
William seems to have had four sons: Jonathan 1719-1778, ?John 1727, William 1728-1785 and Andrew 1735-1796.
There are so many entries in the familysearch (IGI=Mormon) index, because
Andrew's granddaughter Martha Spence went to the US and became a Mormon 'plural wife' the third of four in a polygamous marriage. She has many descendants in Utah, Arizona & other states today.
I am also descended from Kendrick through his daughter Matilda. Her baptism cert. gives her parents as Kendrick & Margaret. The IGI shows Kendrick as marrying Margaret Faulkiner on 20.4.1802, but does not say which parish.
Ken
p.s. 'Irish Genealogy Church Records' gives the date of their marriage as 28th April 1802. The parish was St. Andrew, C. of I. Dublin.
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Andrew Yeates married Mary Holmes about 1759 and their children, born at Whitestown, were:
Samuel 1762-1834, Elinor 1764-1834, William 1768-1846, Joshua 1775-1852, Kendrick 1776-1850, and Marie 1779-1837. Some sources put Joshua as the youngest, b. 1782.
Samuel married Mary Ellen Yeates and two of their sons were prominent.
George Mitchell 1796 was part of 'Yeates & Son' in Dublin, and Andrew was active in London.
Elinor mar. 1787 Christphr Crooks, a bookseller.
William mar. Martha Mason, daughter of his cousin Ann.
Joshua mar. 1800 Ann Smith or Locksmith. Kendrick m. 1802 Margt Faulkiner,
Marie m.1806 Neal Spence. Their daughter Martha went to the US and joined the Mormons, settling in Utah.
Ken
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Thanks Ken for the information
Maureen
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Maureen,
You may also be interested- I've just found that Matilda Sweny nee Yeates, died in the 3rd quarter of 1900, aged 84, reg. in Sth Dublin.
She was baptised at St. Mary's Dublin on 9 April 1815. Her parents were
Kendrick & Margaret, of Mary St.
Ken
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Hi Ken
Re Andrew Yeates and Mary Holmes.
I have 5 other children attributed to them;
John 1760, Richard 1772, Anne 1774, Thomas 1780 and Jonathon 1770.
I also have a Thomas b. 1802 Parents Samuel and Mary Ellen Yeates.
They are all on the IGI.
What is your view on this?
Have you been on Dublin Heritage site. Lots of B M D but no more than we have I think.
Another site named Eugene Sweeney in 1842 as a Churchwarden at Crumlin Parish Church. I presume it was Eugene of 1785.
Regards
Maureen
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Maureen
Many researchers, apparently, would like to place all the prominent members of the Yeates family as offspring of the youngest son, Andrew Yeates of Whitestown, Balscadden, and therefore as close relatives of his grand-daughter Martha Spence, who is well known in Mormon circles in the U.S.A. as one of the earliest pioneers in Utah.
Up to eleven children are ascribed to Andrew and Mary, born between 1760 and 1780:
John 1760, Samuel 1762, Elinor 1764, William 1768, Jonathan 1770, Richard 1772, Anne 1774, Joshua 1775, Kendrick 1776, Marie 1779, Thomas 1780.
In fact, there are no birth or baptism records linking any of these to Andrew and Mary. If an exact baptism date is given, as well as the parish church, it should be reliable, and the certificate could be obtained, but the entries in the IGI (Mormon) index usually give approximate dates only, and no parish. This means that the family connection has not been verified. Only William’s date of birth is given, but not his baptism. This suggests that it may have come from a family bible entry.
The common factor linking all the ‘technical’ Yeates seems to be the various technical occupations and the recurrence of certain Christian names.
Marie’s daughter, Martha Spence, names only six children of Andrew and Mary: Samuel, Ellen, William, Kendrick, Joshua and her mother Marie or Maria, but perhaps there were others, unknown to her, who had died in infancy or had moved away. She writes in her journal:
My mother was one of six children whose father Andrew Yeates owned a freehold property, named Whitestown about 20 miles north of Dublin.
Directory Entries-
In Wilson’s Dublin Trade Directory of 1801 we find:
Jonathan Yeates, Cutler 21 Old Church St.
Samuel, Optician 29 Capel St.
In Pigot’s Commercial Directory of 1820:
Kendrick Yeates, Mathematical Instrument Maker, 26 Stafford St. Dublin
In Dublin 1823 there were:
Kendrick Yeates, Optician & General Brass Mfr. 26 Stafford St.
Richard Yeates, Knife & Sword Cutler to His Majesty 9 Parliament St.
Samuel Yeates, Optician 89 Dame St.
Andrew Yeates, Brass Founder
In 1842 the entries were:
Andrew Yeates & Co. Imported Foreign Goods 5 Crow St.
Yeates & Son, Opticians 2 Grafton St.
Kendrick Yeates, General Brass Mfr. 33 Stafford St.
Sarah Yeates, Cutler 165 Capel St.
In 1850 we find: George Yeates, Optician 2 Grafton St. & 10 Wellington St.
In the 1913 Telephone Directory, Yeates & Son, Opticians, 2 Grafton St., Tel No. 2079, and G. W. Yeates, Dentist, 25 Lower Baggott St. Tel No. 3213
In a list of Irish instrument makers, mention is also made of Thomas, of 119 Abbey St
in about 1848, and William, of 18 Capel St in 1827-1828.
‘Yeates & Son’ were Samuel, and George Mitchell Yeates, born 1796.
Andrew, 1800, was another son of Samuel Yeates.
G. W. Yeates was George Wycliffe, son of Rev. George Andrew and nephew of Stephen.
Continued....
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We can look at each of the eleven “children” in turn:
John, born 1760: No definite birth or baptism date, no parish church. No subsequent record.He could have been a son of Andrew’s who died in infancy.
Samuel, 1762-1834 was the most prominent member of the Yeates family. His line carried on the business of instrument making and maintenance for at least four generations, in Ireland, England, and in four Australian states.
Samuel was apprenticed to Secombe Mason, a renowned instrument maker, who was his cousin by marriage. Later he established his business in about 1790 in Capel St., eventually becoming “Yeates and Son” and moving to 2 Grafton St., corner of Nassau St. They were “by appointment optical and mathematical instrument makers” to Trinity College (university), and the Dublin Port & Docks Board.
Today Yeates and Son remains an ophthalmic business at another address, but it has had no connection with the Yeates family since the 1940s.
The ‘son’ in Yeates & Son, was George Mitchell Yeates, 1796-1882, who designed improved surveying instruments.
Samuel’s next son, Andrew,1800-1876 moved to London and from 1833 repaired instruments at the Greenwich observatory. He also ran an instrument business in London from 1837 to 1873.
Elinor (or Ellen), 1764-1834, married Christopher Crooks, bookseller, in 1787.
William was also associated with Secombe Mason, professionally and by marriage. Secombe had married Ann Yeates, William’s cousin, in 1778, and their daughter Martha became William’s wife in 1797.
William’s son Mason Yeates, 1807-1889, is shown only as a resident of Grangemount, Balscadden, in 1862. His wife, Sarah Wilkinson, is probably the same as the Sarah Yeates, listed as a cutler at 165 Capel Street in 1842.
Jonathan Yeates, of 21 Old Church St. appears as a cutler in 1801. There are three birth entries in the IGI Index for Jonathan, all with different parents. One was born in 1751, the son of Jonathan (1719-1778). He must be the one who married Mary Dalton in 1776, the other one(s) being too young. He gave his occupation then as ‘cutler’. He was still a cutler in 1801. His brother-in-law was the instrument maker, Secombe Mason.
It is most likely that the other two, born in 1770, are one and the same person, ascribed by different researchers to different parents. Only one shows any reliable details. He was baptised on 25.7.1770 at St. Nicholas Within, Dublin, the son of William Yeates and Mary.
In other words, the cutler was Jonathan’s son, born 1751, and the one born in 1770 was William’s, about whom there is no further record. There is no evidence that Andrew had a son named Jonathan.
Richard, 1772, of 9 Parliament St., was listed in the Dublin Trade Directory of 1823 as “knife and sword cutler to His Majesty”. He probably supplied Dublin Castle, the residence of the Lord Lieutenant. His parentage is not certain, but there is an entry for Richard Yeats baptised 13.9.1772 at St. Catherine’s Dublin, son of John Yeats and Ann.
Anne, 1774. There is no birth or reliable baptism record for her. She may have died young.
Joshua 1775-1852 married Ann Locksmith on 9.2.1800, and four children are recorded. Some sources give him as Andrew’s youngest son, born about 1782, or at least after Kendrick.
Kendrick, from whom we are descended, was born in 1776 and died on 2 July 1850. He was an “optician and spectacle maker” at different premises in Stafford Street, now called Wolfe Tone Street, in the parish of St. Mary’s, Dublin.
He married Margaret Faulkner on 20 April 1802, and one present day family member claims that they had 17 children. I have found seven, but only six baptisms. UPDATE- 11 found, see Post 38
The youngest daughter of Andrew and Mary was Marie, 1779-1837. She married Neal Spence in 1806, and their daughter Martha, 1812-1873, had a very eventful life. She went to the US in the 1840s, & joined the Mormons.
Thomas, born about 1780: Apart from the entry as an instrument maker above, there is no real evidence to link him to Andrew and Mary. However there is a baptism entry for Thomas Yeats on 21.4.1771 at St. Catherine’s Dublin, son of John and Ann.
It would appear that at least four of the Yeates “brothers” were actually Andrew’s nephews, not his sons:
Jonathan, son of William (1728); Jonathan, son of Jonathan (1719);
Richard and Thomas, sons of John (1727).
As for the children of Andrew Yeates and Mary Holmes, we seem to be left with:
Samuel 1762, Elinor or Ellen 1764, William 1768, Joshua 1775 (? 1782), Kendrick 1776, and Marie 1779. This agrees more or less with Martha Spence’s version.
As further evidence that these were Andrew’s children, we find that all except Elinor passed his name on to the next generation. The other five each had a son named Andrew, evidently named after his grandfather.
But we still lack positive proof of a family connection. We can only conclude that all the ‘technical’ Yeates’ of Dublin were somehow related.
Ken
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Might as well complete the (early) picture.
William Yeates was born about 1690. He seems to have had four sons.
1.JONATHAN 1719-1778 mar abt 1745 Sarah Bagnall. Their children were:
John 1747, Jonathan 51, Eliz.53, Ann 1754 (mar 1778 Secombe Mason, their dau. Martha 1778, mar.1797 her mother's cousin Wm Yeates) Susannah 59, Mary 62, Robert '64-99.
2. JOHN 1727 mar Anne, sons Thomas 1771, Richard '72
3.WILLIAM 1728-1785 mar Mary,Issue: Jonathan 1770, Elinor 71, Susannah 73
4. ANDREW 1735-96 mar Mary Holmes (see previous post for family details).
Ken
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Almost a week without a post ! Here's one:
The youngest daughter of Andrew and Mary Yeates was Marie, 1779-1837. She married Neal Spence in 1806, and their daughter Martha, 1812-1873, had a very eventful life. She went to New York State in the 1840s, perhaps with her sister Mary, or her brother Robert and his wife. There Martha travelled round and preached the gospel, before joining a new religious sect called the Mormons.
The Mormons left New York and began their long trek south, then west, looking for a place where they would be accepted. Finally they reached Utah, where there were Indians, but few other whites to bother them. They seem to have had little trouble with the Indians. When visiting Federal officials asked their leader why they gave the Indians food and blankets, he replied, “It’s cheaper than going to war with them.” I am not sure whether Martha was with them on the trek, or came later.
One of the reasons it was difficult for other whites to accept them, was that they practised polygamy. In fact Martha married Joseph Leland Heywood, a Mormon elder, in Salt Lake City in 1851, and became a “plural wife”, the third of his four spouses. That is why the Yeates family have so many entries in the various Latter Day Saints’ records, in libraries and on the internet.
Heywood had a good system for managing the arrangement without friction. He kept one wife with him, and set the others up in different towns where he would visit each one from time to time.
Martha taught school and made bonnets. Heywood had 21 children by three of his wives (inc. Martha) and today his descendants are numerous. There are many references to him and his wives in Mormon records. There is a short biography of Martha based on her journal:
"Martha Spence Heywood was born in Ireland in 1812. She left with a sister for America in 1834 against their parents’ wishes, arriving penniless in New York City. She sewed and “toiled & toiled late & early”, and also traveled extensively in upstate New York and Canada, part of the time as an “Advent
preacher... enduring the scoffs and privations that attend such a course”.
In July 1848 she joined the Mormon Church and in 1850 traveled to Utah. In 1851, she became a plural wife of Joseph L. Heywood, a merchant and the first U.S. marshall in Utah Territory. She had two children, one of whom died at the age of 18 months.
A pioneer settler of Nephi, she lived for a time in a wagon box. Her husband visited the settlement several times a year,and she occasionally traveled to Salt Lake City. She supported herself by making hats and caps, and she trained other family members in hatmaking while her husband took orders, collected materials, and marketed the finished items. She also taught school in Nephi.
In 1861 she settled in Washington, Utah, north of St. George. There she became well known as a schoolteacher. She held classes in her home, charging three dollars a month, a fee that could be paid in produce or in chores. She died there in her 61st year.
Historians consider her diary of the years 1850 to 1856 as one of the best personal accounts of that period in Utah. It documents, among other things, the new territory’s intellectual life, the settlement of Nephi, and polygamous family life. Unflinching in her honesty, Martha Heywood records ambivalent feelings about her marriage and the dissatisfaction of some Nephi settlers with her husband’s leadership. Her own self-examination was rigorous; and her diary remains a testament to her integrity."
Ken
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Maureen & others,
You can find a picture of Martha Spence (1st cousin of Matilda Yeates)
who went to Utah USA. Google in "martha spence heywood media.utah"
When it comes up, you have to click on the pic to enlarge it.
Ken
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Howdie
Andrew Yeates of Whitestown c1735-1796 & Mary Holmes of Skryne c1738-1821. I have 11 children for them on a tree by James Dixon of 10 Sallymount Avenue, Ranelagh, DUBLIN from the 1930s I've been told.
It lists them as
1 John Yeates
2 Samuel Yeates Dublin optician1762 -1834 buried at Julianstown, married 23 June 1794 Mary Ellen Yeates 1768-1840, buried at Julianstown, daughter of Francis and Ann Yeates
3 Elinor Yeates married Chris Crooks
4 William Yeates of Whitestown 1768-1846 Reynoldstown Married 1797 Martha Mason 1778-1849 daughter of Seacome Mason Optician. Issue 4 sons, 7 daughters.
5 Jonathan Yeates died young
6 Richard Yeates
7 Anne Yeates
8 Kendrick Yeates married Margaret Faulkner issue 17 children
9 Maria Yeates married Neal Spence
10 Thomas Yeates
11 Joshua Yeates married Anne Smith 7 children
This tree gives Andrew Yeates 1735-1796 one the siblings of
Thomas of what looks like Sealstown wp 1796
William Yeates (something illegable) Dublin w?? 1785
John Yeates
Elizabeth Married John Wharton, weaver.
Jonathan Yeates of what looks like Broughoun & Sauveristown p. will 1778 17.97 1777. Jonathan Yeates married Susannah BAGWELL.
Ken I think you've got Sarah Bagwell.
Parents of these and of course Andrew Yeates is PARENTS NAMES WANTED.
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Deceased Mary Kathleen "Kath" Yeates notes from the 1970s say Andrew of 1735-1796 father was also Andrew lived at Buckhurst Hill and his sister married Henry Walkes\? 7 sons and daughters.
Kath gives Andrew of 1735 siblings as
Thomas, Sandown 1796
William 1785
John
Elizabeth married John Whanton (weaver)
Johnathon B1719-1777 of Birmingham Married 1743 Susan Bagwell c1725-1781
issue 5 sons 4 daughters.
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A letter 26 November 1939 to my Great Grandfather George Frederick Yeates from James Dixon mentions "cousins in this country (Ireland) have become reduced in numbers". Emma Yeates of Sandycove after her very long illness of 10 years passed away in October, the last of her family.
Prisca Yeates getting on in years, her brother George Wyclif died in the last March. George is survived by three sons
1.Geo Andrew, a dentist in Dublin, married has 2 sons, Geo Brian and 20 and alex John aged 13.
2. Richard married, living in England, after many years in Egypt.
3. Robin, married, living in England, now with Army in...
We have lost since your visit 6 years ago my dear sister Jane in July 1935
Brother Andrew Francis Janurary 1936
My dearest Maud Oct 1936
There are now 4 Dixons out of the family of 9. My sister Mary has been living with me for the past 3 years.
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Katie,
Just a quick reply before I study your details a bit more.
Is this right ? Geo Fredk was a son of Horatio 1834-1907. He was a brother of Geo Andrew 1830 & Stephen Mitchell 1832.
They were sons of George Mitchell, 1796 son of Samuel 1762. These last two were 'Yeates & Son'.
Horatio's sister Rebecca 1836, mar George Dixon, and I thought they only had three sons, who all became professors in different subjects.
Where does James fit in ? You don't mean Henry Horatio Dixon, who was alive until 1953 ?
Re Geo Wycliffe Yeates, I had him as 1860-1889, but found him in the 1913
Dublin tel. directory, so I knew he had lived longer. So he and his son Geo Andrew were both dentists.
Regards,
Ken
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Date: August 1765
Faulkner's Dublin Journal
Dublin, Co. Dublin, Ireland
Sat., 31 Aug 1765-Tues., 3 Sep 1765
The same Day, at Raheny, after a tedious Illness, Michael SWEENEY, Esq., one
of the Aldermen of this City
Faulkner's Dublin Journal
Dublin, co. Dublin, Ireland
Sat. 28 Sept 1765-Tues., 1 Oct 1765.
In Britain-street, Mrs. Sarah FALKINER, Widow of the late Alderman FALKINER,
aged 77.
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To Bray,
You can read more about Alderman Michael Sweeny on the Sweny of Dublin
rootschat forum.
The notice abt Mrs Sarah Faulkiner, widow of Alderman F is another tantalising reference to the Faulkiners, but we still can't find out who Margaret Faulkiner was, only that she married Kendrick Yeates in 1802.
Ken
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Bray,
His name was GEORGE FAULKNER and he founded Faulkner's Dublin Journal.
"In 1770, Faulkner was elected alderman of the city of Dublin.
He handed his business over to his former apprentice, Thomas Todd.
Faulkner died on August 30, 1775 without issue." from Wikipedia
Ken
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Hi Ken
Yes, George Frederick Yeates 1870-1955 was the son of Horatio Yeates 1834-1907.
George Mitchell Yeates sons were Francis Samuel Yeates 6 Feb 1824-12 Sept 1825
Edward Yeates c1827-?
George Andrew Yeates 3 Aug 1830-3 Feb 1914
Stephen Mitchell Yeates 27 May 1832-27 Dec 1901
Horatio Yeates 10 March 1834-23 Aug 1907.
George Mitchell Yeates also had 5 daughters. The youngest, Rebecca Yeates 7 Jan 1836-18 Aug 1923 married George Dixon 7 July 1814-11 Sept 1871.
George Dixon died when his youngest son, Henry Horatio Dixon was only 2. I've read that Rebecca was very determined that her sons receive the best of education even though she was raising them alone.
George Dixon & Rebecca Yeates had 4 sons and 3 daughters, Jane, Mary and Maud.
Yes, Henry Horatio Dixon was alive until 20 Dec 1953.
James Dixon's letter to George Frederick Yeates dated 26 Novem 1939 says " George Wyclif died in last March and of course she misses him very much. " I'm not sure why you would've had 1889 as his death date.
I hope I haven't forgotten anything.
Katie
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Thanks Katie,
I think you've answered all my questions (as usual).
By the way, looks like we got the floods this time.
Ken
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Hi Katie,
About the family of Andrew & Mary- James Dixon found 11, as did Bray, and I
also began with 11.
But after making a list of all the entries from the IGI Index (what else have we got ?) I sorted them out and came up with six. This agrees with Martha's Spence's journal. I explained this in my replies Nos. 9-11 recently.
There may have been others who died young or went away, that Martha did not know. Also, there's no guarantee that her journal is accurate or authentic,
but, until we can get baptism records for the early Yeates, I'm sticking with six children.
Regards,
Ken
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I've been rechecking and found a few errors in my Yeates tree.
Jonathan, the eldest brother of Andrew Yeates, was born abt 1719 and died 25.3.1779. His will was proved in 1778. (THIS MUST BE WRONG- PERHAPS IT WAS WRITTEN IN 1778)
He married 13.1.1743 Susan or Susannah Bagnell at Pierstown, Co Meath.
Their son Jonathan b.1751, mar. Margaret Dolton 15.11.1776 Dublin.
This is based on entries in the IGI Index.
Ken
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Thanks Ken those Brownriggs get everywhere
By the way...who was Jonathan and Andrews father No 6. I have two at present.
Maureen
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To Bray
I don't know what No.6 means, but the father of Andrew b.1735 & Jonathan 1719 was William, born abt 1690, but some people say Andrew.
Ken
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I have the Death Cert. of a Margaret Yeates, widow, of 79 Pembroke Rd , reg.
District of Donnybrook, Dublin South. She died on 10.5.1870, age 'about 78',
Gentlewoman. No other details of value.
I sent off for this cert. in the hope that it might be Margt Faulkiner, who married Kendrick Yeates in 1802.
But she would need to be born 1785 at the latest, so would have been 85 in 1870. Not impossible, but I need more evidence.
Kendrick was probably born at Balscadden, Whitestown, and lived in Stafford St Dublin, Parish of St Mary's.
I have found a Pembroke Rd in Ballsbridge, could this be the same ?
Any help appreciated.
Ken Cooke
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K.C.
The Irish Times for 12th May 1870 on Page 8 records the death of Margaret Yeates (Widow) with a Francis Askin given as her son in law at 79 BallsBridge (then Co. Dublin). The death of the son in law Francis Asken (sic) is recorded on 15th May 1877 and the demise of Mary (his widow) is recorded on 15th January 1883.
Regards Quaxer
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To Quaxar
Thank you once again, that is very much appreciated.
I have checked up on Family Search Record Search (some, not all, GRO records)
and found the death of Francis Asken 1877, 63 yrs old, so born abt 1804.
I thought 'That's great, same age as his wife Mary'.
But, I found Mary Asken died Jan-Mar 1883, age 63, (born abt 1820).
Our Mary, dau of Kendrick & Margt. was born 1804. But the first Mary could have died and another born later. (Some say they had 17 children).
Francis Askin is listed among Property Owners of Co Dublin 1870:
Francis Askin 79 Pembroke Rd 1 acre
We still lack the early records to solve this riddle.
Regards,
Ken
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K.C.
Thanks for your latest. Francis Askin appears to have been born in 1814 from your figures and not 1804 as stated.
In my previous , I should have stated the address as 79 Pembroke Road Ballsbridge and not 79 Ballsbridge.
Regards Quaxer
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To Quaxar,
Thanks for that. My mistake, the death entry says 73 yrs, not 63, so 1804 will be right.
Regards,
Ken
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More on the Askens-
From Irish Genealogy:
Marriage of Frances (sic) Asken of N/R and Mary Yeates of N/R on 28.11.1846 at Par. of St Andrews R/C Dublin.
Witnesses Simon Kearney and Jane Yeates
There were four more marriages of Asken/Askin 1799-1870 all St Andrews R/C.
I have no Jane in our Yeates family, but I have only 7 names- there were supposed to be 17 !
And our Mary was born 1804, but there could have been a later Mary if the first one had died.
Our Yeates were C of I, so it's still doubtful.
Ken
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Re Posts 25/27/30-
I have to cross out that Margaret Yeates as the widow of Kendrick, nee Faulkiner. There are too many discrepancies.
Ken
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The two youngest daughters (that we know of) of Kendrick Yeates and Margaret Faulkner were Matilda 1815-1900 and Sarah Ann b.1818.
Matilda married John Paget Sweny abt. 1835. Now it seems that Sarah Ann
married his brother Dr. Mark Sweny.
Dr. Mark Sweny's wife was a Sarah Ann. She died in 1894, aged 76, so born abt. 1818.
Dr. Mark's son, Herbert Sidney, 1859-1933, named his fifth son Ernest Yeates Sweny, born 6.11.1893, and bapt. 1.2.94, at 44 Bessborough Ave. to Herbert Sidney Sweny and Sarah Jane Wilson.
The evidence is very strong that Sarah Ann was a Yeates, and I hope to prove it soon.
Ken
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Continued....
Dr. Mark Sweny's first child was Augusta Elvira Lucinda, b. 1846.
We had found seven children of Kendrick Yeates and Margt Faulkner. Now we have eleven, and the youngest was Augusta. There were said to be 17, so we still have to find the remaining six.
Mary 1804, Martha 1806, Eliz. 1807, Andrew 1809, Talbot Faulkner 1812, Matilda 1815, Sarah Ann 1818, and the new ones are:
William 1821, Margaret 1823, Kendrick 1823, and Augusta 1824.
Also, a new son to Talbot & Ann Eliza (Goldrisk) of 26 Stafford St- Kendrick, bap. 28.5.1834.
The names Augusta and Yeates in Dr. Mark Sweny's family indicate that his wife was Sarah Ann Yeates, b. 1818.
Ken
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Re Posts 25-31 Margt Yeates:
I have now found the deaths of Kendrick and Margaret Yeates, nee Faulkner-
Burial Kendrick Yeates of 124 Abbey St. 4.7.1850 age 74 yrs.
" Margaret " " " " " 4.4.1851 " 71 "
Also the children of their son Talbot Faulkner Yeates and his first wife Anne Eliza Goldrisk, mar. 1832:
Thomas Goldrisk Yeates bap.13.8.1835 St Mary of 26 Stafford St.
Susanna Maria bap. 15.10.1840 St Mary of 33 Stafford St .
Fredk. Augustus b. 25.1.1847 bap. 17.3.47 36 " " St. Mary
Albert Edward b. 12.11.1849 " 1.2.50 124 Abbey St, " "
Louisa Adelaide b. 19.8.1851 " 29.10.51 " " " " "
There was also a Mary Jane, present at her father's death in England 1879.
Ken
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Re Posts 32-33,
I have now found two grandchildren of Mark Sweny and Sarah Ann (?Yeates)
with the middle name 'Yeates'.
Ernest Yeates Sweny b.1893 to Herbt Sidney Sweny
James Scarlett Yeates Wilkinson, 1876 to Wm Fredk Wilk. & Augusta Sweny.
Ken
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Update to my Reply No. 34:
Talbot Faulkner Yeates and Anne Eliza Goldrisk, mar. 1832, seem to have had at least eight children, all bapt. at St. Mary's-
1. Kendrick bap. 28.5.1834 of 26 Stafford St., buried 5.9.1834.
2. Thomas Goldrisk 1835
3. Susanna Maria 1840
4. Sophia Caroline b. 4.9.1843 bap. 5.11.43 of 33 Stafford St.
5. Frederick Augustus 25.1.47
6. Albert Edward 12.11.49
7. Louisa Adelaide 1851
8. Mary Jane born 124 Abbey St. 31.10.1856 and bapt. 13.8.56.
So far I have found no children to his second wife, Frances Daly Brown, mar. 1873.
Ken
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Re Reply 36:
Mary Jane Yeates, b.1856, married Wm. Monsell Worrall at St. Mary 16.11.1880
English Naming Patterns ca 1700 – ca 1875
1st Son -------------------------- Father's Father
2nd Son ------------------------- Mother's Father
3rd Son ---------------------------------- Father
4th Son ------------------ Father's Eldest Brother
1st Daughter --------------------- Mother's Mother
2nd Daughter --------------------- Father's Mother
3rd Daughter ------------------------------ Mother
4th Daughter --------------- Mother's Eldest Sister
Eldest sons of six children of Andrew Yeates & Mary Holmes (mar. abt 1759)
Samuel- Wm. Andrew
Elinor & Christr Crooks, m.1787- Christopher b.1806 (the only one found)
William- Andrew
Joshua- Andrew
Kendrick- Andrew
Marie & Neal Spence- Robert; 2nd. Andrew
Ken
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There were said to be 17 children of Kendrick and Margaret Yeates. We found seven, then four more. All were baptised at St. Mary’s Dublin.
Mary, bapt. 9.8.1804
Martha, “ 8.6.1806
Elizabeth “ 19.7.1807
Andrew “ 23.6.1809
Talbot Faulkner, about 1812 (from his age when he married)
Matilda, bapt. 9.4.1815
Sarah Ann “ 16.9.1818
William, born 2.10.1821, bapt. 5.10.21
Margaret, “ 9.2.1823, “ 19.2.23
Kendrick, “ 9.2.1823, “ 19.2.23
Augusta, “ 10.8.1824, “ 20.8.24
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Family of Talbot Faulkner Yeates, Post 36-addenda/errata:
1. Kendrick bapt. 1834 was buried 5.9.1834, 3 mths old (new edit)
2. Baptism of Mary Jane, 1856- father (Talbot) noted as 'Jabbal' Yeates
3. Bapt. of Fredk's son Fredk. John 1874- the name was transcribed as 'Gates'
Frederick John Gates bapt. ? / ? /1874 St Andrew R.C. Fredk Gates and
Gertrude Mc Govern
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Thanks Lorraine for the copy of the bapt. cert. as follows:
Frederick John Yates (sic) son of Frederick Yates & Gertrude McGovern,
born 23.7.1874 and bapt. 5.8.1874 at St. Andrews R.C.Church, Westland Row,
Godparents Gerald Byrne and Ann Ferguson
Ken
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Re: Posts 32, 33, 35-
I have now found the third grandchild of Dr. Mark Sweny and Sarah Ann, with the middle name Yeates.
George Yeates Cockburn, born 28.3.1887, bapt. 25.5.1887, Rathmines Parish Church to Henry Howard Cockburn, and Ada, daughter of Dr. Mark Sweny and Sarah Ann.
I will be in Dublin in October and will look up some BDM records etc. I hope to find the marriage of Mark Sweny and Sarah Ann Yeates about 1845.
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I have been to Dublin and I am now back home.
Unfortunately I found no trace of the marriage of Dr. Mark Sweny and Sarah Ann Yeates at Braemor Park or anywhere else.
I am still convinced that Dr. Mark's wife was Sarah Ann Yeates.
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I refer readers to another rootschat topic- Dublin City & County Maps.
I enquired about the location of 2 Grafton St. and we seem to agree that it was on the north-east corner of Grafton & Nassau Sts. A bank or building society now stands on the site. Many thanks to Shane for his help.
Ken
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Hi
I am starting out on the YEATES. I think I have traced the branch back to George Yeates and Janes Sparks (married 1819, see irishgenealogy.ie)
I wonder can anybody help me with with his parents and link me further back?
Any help much appreciated.
Brendan
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Hi Brendan, you are in luck. There are a few of us that have been on the same journey you wish to embark.
I have a tree that says in the bottom right corner "Corrections and additions will be gladly received by JAMES DIXON, 19 Sallymount Avenue, Ranelagh, Dublin". It was posted to me my mother's cousin who lives in the USA. I live in Australia. I assume the tree is from the 1940s or even earlier given my grandmother is on it but her husband and children are not. Same for her brother.
Below are George and Jane's children
George Mitchell Yeates (baptised 5 Nov 1796 St Mary's, Dublin - died 8 Nov 1862 or 1882)
Married 11 April 1819 St Peter's, Dublin
Jane Sparks (born c1795/1800 - died 31 July 1837 Dublin probably)
I can't confirm either George or Jane's deaths. I've had no luck getting access to my local Mormon Church to order the microfilm for Mt Jerome Cemetery, Harold's Cross, Dublin. It's always locked up like a fortress. Their phone number isn't even in the phone book.
George Mitchell Yeates and Jane Sparks had the following children:
i. ANNA MARIA2 YEATES was born on 18 May 1820 in Dublin, Ireland. She died on 01 Apr 1821.
ii. MARY ELLEN YEATES was born on 19 Feb 1822 in Dublin, Ireland. She died on 29 Mar 1897.
Notes for Mary Ellen Yeates:
possibly if known as Ellen Yeates may have married William Richard Hamilton an MD of Co Sligo. His father was also William. Ellen's father was George and she resided at 89 Ranelagh Road at the time her marriage 10 Sept 1857 at St Peters. William Richard Hamilton was a widower. Certificate is on website http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/reels/d-45-3-12-034.pdf
Generation 1 (con't)
iii. FRANCIS SAMUEL YEATES was born on 06 Feb 1824 in Dublin, Ireland. He died on 12 Sep 1825.
iv. JANE YEATES was born about 26 Jun 1826 in Dublin, Ireland. She died on 02 Mar 1827.
Notes for Jane Yeates:
May have been born 26-06-1826 and baptised 16-07-1826 Yeates Jane at St Peters Dublin
v. EDWARD YEATES was born about 1827.
vi. ELIZA YEATES was born on 26 Oct 1828 in Dublin, Ireland. She died on 16 Jun 1905. Eliza Yeates was baptized on 16 Nov 1828 in St Peter's, Dublin, Ireland.
2. vii. GEORGE ANDREW YEATES was born on 03 Aug 1830 in Dublin, Ireland. He died on
3 Feb 1914 in Dublin, Ireland. He married ANNIE MORRIS on 08 Dec 1859 in Dublin, Ireland (School Room in Kildare Place licensed for Divine Worship, Parish of St Anne's, Dublin, Ireland.). She was born about 1832 in County Armagh, Ireland. She died on 23 Mar 1918 in Dublin, Ireland..
3. viii. STEPHEN MITCHELL YEATES was born on 27 May 1832 in Dublin, Ireland. He died on
27 Dec 1901 in Dublin, Ireland. (Rathdown registration district). He married MARY
ANNE PARKS on 27 Mar 1856 in St Anne, Dublin, Ireland (St Anne's Church in the Parish of St Anne in the Co of the City of Dublin.). She was born on 06 Apr 1824 in Balbriggan, Dublin, Ireland. She died on 21 Aug 1905.
4. ix. HORATIO YEATES was born on 10 Mar 1834 in Dublin, Ireland. He died on 23 Aug 1907 in Hobart, Tasmania, Australia. He married KATE LUCY HUELIN BARRETT on 02 Jan 1863 in Parish of St Peter in the City of Dublin, Dublin, Ireland (Dublin South District, Volume 5, Page 279.), daughter of Samuel John Barrett and Susannah Meekings. She was born about 1832 in Dublin, Ireland. She died on 03 Aug 1921 in New Norfolk near Hobart, Tasmania, Australia.
5. x. REBECCA YEATES was born on 07 Jan 1836 in Dublin, Ireland. She died on 18 Aug 1923 in USA. She married GEORGE DIXON on 27 Jul 1854 in Dublin, Ireland (St Anne's, Dublin, Ireland.). He was born on 07 Jul 1814 in Ireland. He died on 11 Sep 1871.
My link is Horatio Yeates so I have comprehensive info on his descendants. I know he and his children wrote many letters and visited after their move to England and later Australia. I guess that is how I ended up with one of James Dixon's tree.
If you'd like to know more please email me
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My Grandfather was Authur Cyril Yeates and as far as I am aware was the last Yeates of the family “Yeates and Sons”.
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Hi, I am descended from Horatio Yeates and Kate Barrett. Their children ended up In Australia. Who was Arthur Cyril’s father?
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possibly these
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01mpw/
Arthur Cyril 1890
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1890/02410/1898479.pdf
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This tree gives Andrew Yeates 1735-1796 one the siblings of Thomas of what looks like Sealstown wp 1796
William Yeates (something illegable) Dublin w?? 1785
John Yeates
Elizabeth Married John Wharton, weaver.
Jonathan Yeates of what looks like Broughoun & Sauveristown p. will 1778 17.97 1777. Jonathan Yeates married Susannah BAGWELL.
Ken I think you've got Sarah Bagwell.
Parents of these and of course Andrew Yeates is PARENTS NAMES WANTED.
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I would query of Andrew was a Sibling He is not marked down as one!!
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Saucerstown ?
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Charlestown was anciently called Serlestown or Sorlestown from a family named Serle, who lived here in the 13th or 14th centuries.
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Below are George and Jane's children
George Mitchell Yeates (baptised 5 Nov 1796 St Mary's, Dublin - died 8 Nov 1862 or 1882)
Married 11 April 1819 St Peter's, Dublin
Jane Sparks (born c1795/1800 - died 31 July 1837 Dublin probably)
I can't confirm either George or Jane's deaths. I've had no luck getting access to my local Mormon Church to order the microfilm for Mt Jerome Cemetery, Harold's Cross, Dublin. It's always locked up like a fortress. Their phone number isn't even in the phone book.
George Mitchell Yeates and Jane Sparks had the following children:
i. ANNA MARIA2 YEATES was born on 18 May 1820 in Dublin, Ireland. She died on 01 Apr 1821.
ii. MARY ELLEN YEATES was born on 19 Feb 1822 in Dublin, Ireland. She died on 29 Mar 1897.
Notes for Mary Ellen Yeates:
possibly if known as Ellen Yeates may have married William Richard Hamilton an MD of Co Sligo. His father was also William. Ellen's father was George and she resided at 89 Ranelagh Road at the time her marriage 10 Sept 1857 at St Peters. William Richard Hamilton was a widower. Certificate is on website http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/reels/d-45-3-12-034.pdf
Generation 1 (con't)
iii. FRANCIS SAMUEL YEATES was born on 06 Feb 1824 in Dublin, Ireland. He died on 12 Sep 1825.
iv. JANE YEATES was born about 26 Jun 1826 in Dublin, Ireland. She died on 02 Mar 1827.
Notes for Jane Yeates:
May have been born 26-06-1826 and baptised 16-07-1826 Yeates Jane at St Peters Dublin
v. EDWARD YEATES was born about 1827.
vi. ELIZA YEATES was born on 26 Oct 1828 in Dublin, Ireland. She died on 16 Jun 1905. Eliza Yeates was baptized on 16 Nov 1828 in St Peter's, Dublin, Ireland.
2. vii. GEORGE ANDREW YEATES was born on 03 Aug 1830 in Dublin, Ireland. He died on
3 Feb 1914 in Dublin, Ireland. He married ANNIE MORRIS on 08 Dec 1859 in Dublin, Ireland
Parish of Lissan, Rectors and Curates
George Yeates, inst. June 1 (D.R.), son of George Y., M.R.LA. ; b. in Dublin 1830, ed. at Dr. Flinn's Sch. and T.C.D., ent. 1850 ; B.A. 1855 ; M.A. 1858 ; ord. D. 1855 ; P. 1856 ; C. Killenvoy 1856-8 ; Miss. C.M.S. Punjaub 1859-73 ; R. Lambeg 1874-7 ; m. in 1859, a daughter of Robert
Morris, Solicitor, Lurgan, and has issue 2 sons and 2 daus. ; res. Lissan in 1905.
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Howdie
Andrew Yeates of Whitestown c1735-1796 & Mary Holmes of Skryne c1738-1821. I have 11 children for them on a tree by James Dixon of 10 Sallymount Avenue, Ranelagh, DUBLIN from the 1930s I've been told.
It lists them as
1 John Yeates
2 Samuel Yeates Dublin optician1762 -1834 buried at Julianstown, married 23 June 1794 Mary Ellen Yeates 1768-1840, buried at Julianstown, daughter of Francis and Ann Yeates
3 Elinor Yeates married Chris Crooks
4 William Yeates of Whitestown 1768-1846 Reynoldstown Married 1797 Martha Mason 1778-1849 daughter of Seacome Mason Optician. Issue 4 sons, 7 daughters.
5 Jonathan Yeates died young
6 Richard Yeates
7 Anne Yeates
8 Kendrick Yeates married Margaret Faulkner issue 17 children
9 Maria Yeates married Neal Spence
10 Thomas Yeates
11 Joshua Yeates married Anne Smith 7 children
This tree gives Andrew Yeates 1735-1796 one the siblings of
Thomas of what looks like Sealstown wp 1796
William Yeates (something illegable) Dublin w?? 1785
John Yeates
Elizabeth Married John Wharton, weaver.
Jonathan Yeates of what looks like Broughoun & Sauveristown p. will 1778 17.97 1777. Jonathan Yeates married Susannah BAGWELL.
Ken I think you've got Sarah Bagwell.
Parents of these and of course Andrew Yeates is PARENTS NAMES WANTED.
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Deceased Mary Kathleen "Kath" Yeates notes from the 1970s say Andrew of 1735-1796 father was also Andrew lived at Buckhurst Hill and his sister married Henry Walkes\? 7 sons and daughters.
Kath gives Andrew of 1735 siblings as
Thomas, Sandown 1796
William 1785
John
Elizabeth married John Whanton (weaver)
Johnathon B1719-1777 of Birmingham Married 1743 Susan Bagwell c1725-1781
issue 5 sons 4 daughters.
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A letter 26 November 1939 to my Great Grandfather George Frederick Yeates from James Dixon mentions "cousins in this country (Ireland) have become reduced in numbers". Emma Yeates of Sandycove after her very long illness of 10 years passed away in October, the last of her family.
Prisca Yeates getting on in years, her brother George Wyclif died in the last March. George is survived by three sons
1.Geo Andrew, a dentist in Dublin, married has 2 sons, Geo Brian and 20 and alex John aged 13.
2. Richard married, living in England, after many years in Egypt.
3. Robin, married, living in England, now with Army in...
We have lost since your visit 6 years ago my dear sister Jane in July 1935
Brother Andrew Francis Janurary 1936
My dearest Maud Oct 1936
There are now 4 Dixons out of the family of 9. My sister Mary has been living with me for the past 3 years.
In Loving Memory of | GEORGE DIXON | son of ROBERT and MARY DIXON | died 11th
September 1871, aged 57 years | and of | REBECCA DIXON | his wife | daughter of
GEORGE and JEAN YEATES | died 18th August 1923, aged 87 years | and of | JANE |
elder daughter of | GEORGE & REBECCA DIXON | who died 4th July 1935
http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/dublin/photos/tombstones/mt-jerome-33/target81.html
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JANE SPARKS | the beloved child of | GEORGE and ANNIE YEATES | died Octr 6th
1870 | aged 8 years | also In Loving Memory of | The Revd GEO YEATES | father of
the above | who died 3rd Feb 1914 | in the 84th year of his age | also | In
Loving Memory of | his wife | ANNIE YEATES | who died Mar. 23 1918 | in her 86th
year | also | In Loving Memory of | their daughter | PRISCA YEATES | who died
Sept. 23rd 1940.
http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/dublin/photos/tombstones/mt-jerome-8/target25.html
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Sacred To the Memory of | ELIZA | the affectionate wife | of |
GEORGE YEATES Esqre | of this City | died on 14th Decr. 1854
http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/dublin/photos/tombstones/mt-jerome-26/target101.html
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carmichael_falkiner_dixon_yeates_vickers.jpg
http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/dublin/photos/tombstones/mt-jerome-34/target138.html
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Probably more here....
http://search.freefind.com/find.html?pageid=r&id=13812782&query=yeates&ics=1&s=dublinstones&fr=0
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Hi Hallmark,
I am not related to the Yeates family but I do have an interest in Rebecca Yeates. I am based in Dublin and I am doing a bit of research into the building where I work. It's over 200 years old and was previously a soap and candle factory owned by George Dixon (Rebecca's husband). The business was established in 1813 and as far as I know it was still operating until 40 years ago. I'll try and attach a drawing of the building. I have some details on their children's births if you are interested, although you probably have them at this stage. You are welcome to anything I have that might be of use.
PS Attachment is too large so here's the link instead
http://digital.libraries.dublincity.ie/vital/access/manager/Repository/vital:24587/IMAGE1
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You might have seen this already but just in case I'm posted the link below. It's a collection of photos in the Yeates/Dixon family collection. I wish I had such archives for my family.
http://catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000534864#page/1/mode/1up
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I knew Henry Berkeley Franks Dixon (1928-2008) very well. He was a distinguished biochemist and Vice-Provost of King's College, Cambridge. He was the grandson of George and Rebecca Dixon, and thus had a grandfather 110 years older than he was. I don't suppose that is a record, but it must come close.
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I have references to various members of both Yates and Yeates families in the Calendar of Ancient Records of Dublin covering the period roughly 1660-1830.
I cannot say whether all or any are related to this Yeates family but if anybody would like me to post them then just request that.
Felixquaxer
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Hi, not sure how old this thread is but thought I'd drop in a post as I believe I'm a relative of the Yeates Dublin Family. I'm Andrew Yeates born 1974, son of Anthony Yeates (1945), son of Brian Yeates. We live in Perth, Australia having emigrated from the UK in 2009. Before moving here I had no idea of our connection to Australia and WA specifically - through Samuel Sparks Yeates who was an optician and moved to WA to take up Directorship of Perth Observatory. I'm married to a local, Jane Yeates (nee Hiller), and we have two children, Eleanor and Henry Yeates.
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Welcome to RootsChat but we aren't allowed to post details of living, or possibly living, people here.
In consideration of this and in line with the policy you need to delete the names of those who are still living, whom you have mentioned above.