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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Warwickshire => Topic started by: dizzliz on Monday 05 February 07 03:32 GMT (UK)
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Hi there,
I am trying to do my Grantham family tree and am wondering if any one can help me please.
My family is
Jeremiah Grantham married Mary ?
they had
George Henry Grantham who married Annie ( Hannah ) Maria Stone . George was born 25 Dec 1847
Annie born 18 November 1849
We know the family arrived in New Zealand on the La Hogue but dont know if George had any other brothers and sisters
If anyone can help it would be appreciated
Thank you
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Hi dizz,
There are these from the IGI:
with father Jeremiah Grantham, mother Mary Ann
George christened 25 Dec 1847 Pillerton Hersey Warwick
Charles chr 20 Apr 1854 Pillerton Priors Warwick
Joseph chr 20 Apr 1854 Pillerton Priors Warwick
And these may also belong to you:
George Grantham chr 1 Jan 1837 Pillerton Priors, father William Grantham, mother Sarah
George Henry Grantham chr 4 Jun 1876 Oxhill, Warwick, father Charles Grantham mother Jane
There may be more children. I will check the BVRI.
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This looks promising - from free bmd:
Marriage Dec 1848
16/69
Jeremiah Grantham and on same page Mary Ann Young
If you buy this marriage certificate you should get both father's names.
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Hi Ruskie,
Liz here thanks so much for your help and repling to my message we didnt know that George had any brothers or Mary Ann's last name or Annie's parents names so thank you so very much
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Do you have a date of arrival in NZ for your family?
It might help if someone can look them up in the 1851 and 1861 census (depending on when they left for NZ). You may find more children at home with the parents.
By the way ... A search on free bmd for births with the surname Grantham in the county Warwickshire brings up an awful lot of births. Some of them may come in handy for you later.
Good luck.
PS. If you don't have any offers to look up your family, it might be worthwhile to start a new thread with a subject heading something like "1851/1861 census lookup Jeremiah Grantham". He's got a brilliant name - shouldn't think there are too many of those around! (There IS another Jeremiah Henry born later) Hopefully he'll be found!
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Hi Liz and ruskie. :)
Im a family member too. :) Ruskie...how much are the certificates over there? Thanks :)
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Hi angel,
I'm in Australia - our certs are around the $22 mark depending on the state I think. The UK ones are £7 and can be ordered online at www.gro.gov.uk.
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Fantastic :) are you on Msn at all?
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Nope,sorry.
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No worries, thanks for your help :) :) :) ifyou have anymore, we would be ever so grateful :) xoxoxox
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Hi - excuse me butting in - but I think this is them in the 1861 census for Pillerton Priors RG9 - 2240 fo41
Jeremiah Grantham 33 lab. born Warks Pillerton Priors
Mary Ann Grantham 33 born Warks Pillerton Priors
George Grantham 13 born Warks Pillerton Priors
John Grantham 11 born Warks Pillerton Hersey
Hannah Grantham 10 born Warks Pillerton Hersey
Thomas Grantham 8 born Warks Pillerton Hersey
Jeremiah Grantham 6 born Warks Pillerton Hersey
James Grantham 4 born Warks Pillerton Priors
Eliza Grantham 2 born Warks Pillerton Priors
William Henery Grantham 3 Mo born Warks Pillerton Priors
:)
Debbie
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And here is Jeremiah & Mary in 1851 and Jeremiah with his parents in 1841
1851 - Pillerton Hersey HO107-2076 fo683
Jeremiah Grantham 22
Mary Ann Grantham 22
George Grantham 3
John Grantham 1
Hanah Grantham 6 Mo
Emma Athbone 13 sister
all born Pillerton Priors
1841 - Pillerton Priors
William Grantham born 1796 Lab
Sarah Grantham born 1801
Mary Ann Grantham born 1826
Jeremiah Grantham born 1827
John Grantham born 1834
George Grantham born 1837
all born in Warwickshire
Not sure where the sister Emma Athbone fits in from 1851 though
Debbie
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WOW !!! how do you come up with all this ?? LOL That def looks like the same family....what does MO mean, next to hannah 6? thanks :)
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Hi Mo = months
here are Jeremiah & Mary right through to 1901 - so it doesn't look as thoough they left England - in fact I don't think they ever left Warwickshire
from 1871
Jeremiah Grantham 42 ag lab
Mary A Grantham 42
John Grantham 21 ag lab
Hannah Grantham 20 gen serv
James Grantham 14 ag lab
Eliza Grantham 12
Ellen S Grantham 9
Mary J Grantham 4
Thomas E Jarves 22 lodger
from 1881 - Pillerton Hersey
Jeremiah Grantham 52 ag lab
Mary Ann Grantham 52
Mary Jane Grantham 14
all born Pillerton
In 1891 & 1901 Jeremiah & Mary Ann are living just them in Pillerton Priors -
In 1901 at the age of 72 Jeremiah is still an Ag Lab - no state pensions in those days
:D
Debbie
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I think that Emma Athbone is actually emma allibone, Mary anns sister. mary anns maiden name was Allibone/allabone....
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Yes - could easily be - I had problems reading that one - I thought Mary Anns name was mentioned as Young above ?
George & Hannah are still around in 1871
from 1871 - Eatington Warwickshire
George Grantham 23 ag lab born Pillerton
Hannah Grantham 21 born Eatington
Ada Grantham 1 daughter born Eatington
Debbie
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:o HOLY MACKERAL!!!
Where do u get that information! ? LOL
Fantastic....!! maybe you could help us with something....hopefully you can follow what i write.
Hannah Maria Grantham, daughter of William Grantham and Sarah Allibone/allabone married George Grantham, son of Jeremiah Grantham and Marianne allibone/allabone.....is ther any way of proving that the family was not realated? as they are all from pillerton....and with your information above....it kinda freaks me out HA HA
Thanks for you help, its appreciated.
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George and hannah sailed to Nz on the La Houge in 1874...their first born was Ada amelia in 1870 and then Maria in 1872, william albert henry in 1873.....and then the rest when she arrived in Nz...
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Hi - I will have a look and see what I can find, but it won't be for an hour or two - I have to make some work related phone calls this morning first :D
Debbie
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:o wow thanks for your help. ;D its pretty late in Nz so if i dont reply i will tomorrow, but i think ill be around , ha ha ha. My name is Tish btw. Do you live in Warrick?
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Fantastic Debbie! I just had a feeling that this family would be found.
Angel and Liz - this is great news for you. Debbie most likely has a subscription to www.ancestry.co.uk (have you Debbie?). This is expensive, but worthwhile, especially if you are just starting out on your UK research. The information is from the census.
There are a few free sites available online, but this family is not on them (yet). Some counties have good coverage, some, not so good.
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Umm, so Mary Ann was NOT Young?
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:D u guys are so nice!!! this gets more exciting by the minute!!! i dont want to go to bed, ill prob check back in the mddle of the night HA HA HA HA.....No accourding to my information, Mary ann was an Allabone/allibone....her last name isnt listed in many places, but i found an 1886 census and found a Mary Jane listed as their daughter, i found her marriage listed to a Joseph Awcult on 20 Oct 1888...this had her mother listed as Allibone and her father as Jeremiah....Im assuming that mary anne might not ahve known how to read or write and their is some documnets with Marianne.maryann and mariann on it....where as the 1886 census said mary jane was a scolar, so might of taught her to read and write her own name?...a long shot...???
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Hi dizz,
There are these from the IGI:
with father Jeremiah Grantham, mother Mary Ann
George christened 25 Dec 1847 Pillerton Hersey Warwick
Charles chr 20 Apr 1854 Pillerton Priors Warwick
Joseph chr 20 Apr 1854 Pillerton Priors Warwick
And these may also belong to you:
George Grantham chr 1 Jan 1837 Pillerton Priors, father William Grantham, mother Sarah
George Henry Grantham chr 4 Jun 1876 Oxhill, Warwick, father Charles Grantham mother Jane
There may be more children. I will check the BVRI.
Excuse my ignorance, but does the aboce christened mean they were born on that day, thereofr emaking them twins, or as in exactly that chirstened together, so there ages could be different....? too many mary anns, georges and williams.... :S.. it appears as though my greeat grand parents both had brothers and sistersof the same names....
If any ones wondering i decend from Mary ann 'polly', George and hannahs fourth child. Liz decends from goerge and hannahs third child.. :)
thanks again everybody for your help :)
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christened is another word for baptised - and it wasn't uncommon for brothers and sisters to be baptised at the same time if the parents had not had them done soon after birth which was the norm.
I am starting to find bits on the Alliborns - here is Mary Ann - listed as Ann from the 1841 census in Pillerton Hersey with her parants and siblings
from 1841
John Allibone born 1791
Ann Allibone born 1801
William Allibone born 1821
Ann Allibone born 1829
George Allibone born 1831
Eliza Allibone born 1833
David Allibone born 1835
Emma Allibone born 1838
Debbie
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ahh okay, i understand.
Phew, so that census you posted ( grefully might i add) doesnt stae that Sarah allibone and Marianne Allibone were sisters...thats a start LOL
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No - it looks as though Sarah Grantham nee Allibone's parents were a Thomas & Elizabeth
from 1861 - Eatington or Ettington
Wm Grantham 38
Sarah Grantham 40
Hannah Maria Grantham 11
Sarah Ann Grantham 9
Harriet Grantham 8
William Grantham 6
John Thomas Grantham 3
George Grantham 1
William the father was born Pillerton & all the rest were born in Eatington
From the IGI Sarah Allibone baptised 14th Jan 1821 Ettington daughter of Thomas & Elizabeth Allibone
Sorry this is going to take a while as the assorted spellings of Allibone is making the search tricky
Debbie
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Wow, that is so nice of you to do this for us! :) i really appreciate it. Its amazing how you can just come up with all this LOL....I wonder is Jeremiah Grantham and William Grantham could be brothers prehaps?
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Sorry not so clear, as there is alot of granthams LOL espesh george's and williams....Jeremiah Grantham b/c 16 November 1828 and george grantham b/c 20 July 1823
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is there a census before 1861 for wiiliam grantham and sarah allibone that has a george grantham born around 1837 at all?
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I think William Grantham born app 1823 who married Sarah Alliborn would be too young to have a son George born in 1837
Debbie
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Have just checked the IGI - it seems that William Grantham born 1823 In Pillerton Priors was the son of another William & Sarah Grantham - as was Jeremiah father of George so it looks as though George & Hannah were first cousins on the Grantham side.
here are the older William & Sarah in 1851
from 1851 Pillerton Priors
William Grantham 57 born Warks Tysoe
Sarah Grantham 56 born Warks Tysoe
George Grantham 16 born P Priors
Hannah Satchwell 34 daughter born P Priors
George Satchwell 5
Thomas Satchwell 11
Debbie
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Here is John Allibone (father of Mary Ann) in 1851
from 1851 Pillerton Priors
John Allibone 57 wid born Ettington
David Allibone 15
Eliza Allibone 18
and here I think is Thomas father of Sarah - also widowed in 1851
Ettington 1851
Thomas Alibone 66 born Ettington
Mary Ann Alibone 40
as you can see they were born in Ettington it is very possible that John father of Mary Ann born 1829 and Thomas Allibone father Sarah born 1821 were brothers which would make George & Hannah second cousins on the Allibone side - unfortunatly the registers for Ettington are not in the IGI for this period so I can't see for certain
Debbie
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wow allthis info is awesome you are wonderful. Once again thanks heaps
Liz
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I have just had a reply from Frances for a burial look-up in Ettington - this is what she found for the Allibones
These are the burial dates in Holy Trinity Ettington.
Job Allibone 7 weeks 7 February 1816
Mary Allibone 67 11 December 1819
Rebecca Allibone 7 11 September 1821
William Allibone 72 7 March 1825
Elizabeth Alibone 64 23 April 1848
Maria Allibone 20 8 August 1837
I think the ELizabeth who was buried in 1848 was the wife of Thomas - widower in 1851
Debbie
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Wow, you are so helpful! :) thats amazing. You say that william had parents named william and sarah too, so from my calculations the george is THEIR son. Yay :) are their any decendants still living in pillerton that you can tell. ( im not sure what reocrds you have access to, so ignore me if the above is a huge request :) ) i wondered if there was i might be able to get their address and write to them, maybe they have photos or something... :)
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Hi again.
I hope you are al lhaving a nice sleep :) i printed off the information above, its taken me a bout 2 hours to get my head around it some of it.
Just a quick question. on the 1841 pillerton priors census there is listed:
William Grantham born 1796 Lab
Sarah Grantham born 1801
Mary Ann Granthm born 1826
Jeremiah Grantham born 1827
John grantham born 1834
George grantham born 1837
In 1841 my William ( born 1823 ) who doesnt apear above, would of been 18. Is there a earlier census that would show both of them on there?
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sorry that would show both Jeremiah and and William ? thanks again.
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Sorry - for most places in England the earliest census is 1841 and at the moment I can't find William born 1823 on it
I had a look at the IGI (family search) - William Granthan born 1794 Tysoe and his wife Sarah (no marriage found but Tysoe is not covered for this period by the IGI) had the following children in Pillerton Priors
Hannah 1817
Thomas 1820
William 1823
Mary Ann 1826 (from census - no baptism found)
Jeremiah 1827 (from census - no baptism found)
Joseph 1831 (died 1831)
Elizabeth 1831 (died 1832)
John 1833
George 1837
You already have William & Sarah (the elder ) in the 1841 and 1851 census - here is what happened after
In 1861 William & Sarah are living in Pillerton Priors - non of their children are with them
By 1871 Sarah has died and the widowed William is living with his son Thomas's family in Pillerton
from 1871 - Pillerton
Thomas Grantham 50 ag lab born pillerton
Elizabeth Grantham 46 born Eatington
Thomas H Grantham 10
Mary A Grantham 8
Ada Grantham 2
William Grantham 77 father born Tysoe
The elder William is still alive in 1881 and is now living with his son William who is also widowed and some of his family in Ettington
from 1881 Eatington
William Grantham 57 wid Farm Lab born Pillerton
Elizabeth Grantham 19 unmarried born Eatington
Sarah Ann Hoare 29 daughter married born Eatington
Florence M. Hoare 8 grandaughter born Eatington
Ada Lydia Hoare 3 grandaughter born Eatington
Charles H. Grantham grandson 8 months born Eatington
William Grantham 87 father wid born Tysoe
:)
Debbie
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Hi me again - just recapping on this thread, in answer to some questions - yes I have a sub-scription to ancestry, no I don't live in Warwickshire, just 10 miles outside in Leicestershire, though the places we are looking at are considerably further away from me being in the south of the county. I have checked the 2004 electoral roll I have and although I can find many Granthams in Warwickshire there don't appear to be any left in either of the Pillertons or Ettington. Information on people after the 1901 census is a bit tricky to find.
Debbie
PS Yes I did sleep well :D
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Hi Dizz,
Thomas Grantham born 1820 was my great,great grandfather.My great grandmother was his daughter Dinah.One of her sisters Mary Ann emigrated to New Zealand and i have just found out from a contact in Australia that she went there via America.Given she appears on the 1871 census living in Pillerton Priors and was married in Ashburton,South Island to a Samuel Timmo in 1878,she must have emigrated as a child,but we don't know why.Having just read about Jeremiah Grantham,your ancestor,being in New Zealand i wondered if you know of any connection with Mary Ann.Is he the reason she went to New Zealand?
Colin.
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Hi again,
Got it wrong the first time it was Jeremiahs son that went to New Zealand,right.
colin.
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Hi there, the may ann that came to Nz was only a child, and was married to a Mads peter Christensen...she emmigrated with her parents Hannah Maria Grantham and George Grantham. Jeremiah and George were brothers. There were a ton of mary anns LOL good luck with your search. I can look through my papers as i remember the name TIMMO...but it wouldnt be for a day or two :o) where are you based BTW? im in LowerHutt, Wellington, NZ :o)
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Hi,Thanks for replying,i'm based in england and it would be great if you could check your info out to see if there is anything about the Timmo's or mary ann grantham.I've been told anyone called Timmo in New zealand is a direct descendant of samuel and mary ann but i don't know for sure if this is true.Apparently samuel and mary ann had 15 children,samuel died in 1903 in Ashburton and Mary Ann died in 1932 in Napier if that helps you identify them within your info.
The story i have been told is that samuel,who was born in Madras india,was found as an orphan by a british soldier and taken to America from India.Samuel and Mary Ann were travelling to New Zealand on the same ship and this is how they met.Samuel had been working in the goldfields ,poss california,and was going to NZ to do the same.How Mary Ann came to be in America is a mystery at the moment.We also don't know the name of the ship or any dates for these events at present.Best Wishes,Colin.
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HI Colin,
Tish here, Sorry i took so long to reply. i have searched through my records at home and cant find the listings of the Timmos that i had, i can only assume when i was tidying my paperwork that i discarded it when i realized it was not my line, which is rather odd as i usually pop it in and envelope on the off chance anyone asks for it. I will keep an eye out and let you know. I will be going to births deaths and marriages next week to continue listing all the granthams listed, i have a couple already which were Mary Ann Barefoot, Mary Ann Grantham nee Raven.....and another which i cant remember off the top of my head. I know it wont be the one you are after though as I'm not up to 1932 yet. I am heading to Napier this Sunday ( I'm guessing Saturday your time ) so if there is a photo you would like me to take of a headstone let me know. Just need to know what cemetery, name and date of death. :o) I will also be stopping in at Masterton Cemetery to snap away...so if there is something there too, let me know. Had another idea, if there is a certificate you would like me to order, i can do so, the cost is $20 ( up until a certain date ) and then $26 after that, I'm not sure how that works out in comparison to yours, but if reasonably the same, we could do a swap? Saves paying through the nose on exchange rates and what not? Hear from you soon. Cheers.
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There was a large famous earthquake in Napier. The napier 1931 earthquake. Have a search of it, they teach it in schools and its all in the museums and that here.....might give you an idea of the place she lived in :o)
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Also there is a Peggy Nola Timmo, listed on the Kapit Cemetary if thats any help.
There are quite alot of timmos in NZ, i tried www.whitepages.co.nz, its and online telephone directory search. this is what i found
http://www.whitepages.co.nz/Pages/Search/Results/0,2623,a1281,00.html?Name=timmo&Loc=&Reg=&Search.x=13&Search.y=10
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rats i mean KAPITI
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Did anyone submit this, I didn't notice, anyway...an extracted file
JEREMIAH GRANTHAM married MARIANNE ALLIBONE
August 2 1847 Pillerton Hersey, Warwick
Did anyone find out what happened to the twins?
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Here is the image says Skipton on S... volume 11 page 447
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Oh silly me, that's Swale, right? Isn't that Yorkshire? Did I get the right one, here?
Forgot to say that was the J -A -S Quarter.
Checked with Jeremiah's listing, so it's the right one...J.J.
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Hi there J J thanks for the post, im not sure what it means though....I didnt realise there were any twins other than Elizabeth and Joesph Grantham ? which both died within a year of brith.....
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I meant Joseph and Charles..., I guess I missed that posting..
re: the marriage I can't figure out how the IGI listing says warwick, but
image I found for the marriage record says Skipton on Swale...
Oh, I'm from Canada...so I haven't a clue...J.J. ;D
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;D thanks :)
I think it might be stour:
Pillerton Hersey, It's a small village between Stratford
on Avon & Banbury. It's got a small parish church, and that's about it.
The nearest Register Office in the 1800's was Shipston on Stour.
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Charles and Joseph were twins? ???
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;D lol so they were, i just checked HAHAHAHA ( not what i want to hear!) LOL there are som many charles and marys and williams etc its confusing, wy cant they have odd name slike me Latisha, wold make things easier! LOL
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I just looked at the free BMD for Charles and Joseph to be sure and they came up as "Shipston"... ...Oh, SHEESH! pretty darn good thing I don't transcribe... ;D so that would be Shipston-On-Stour...lesson learned!
modified....
angelbaby69nz I just saw your posting...that's the trouble with a long post, you can miss several...sorry! J.J.
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LOl aint that the truth, i have printed this off and often read through to make sure i havent missed anything, but i get into the second page and bam, head hurts.
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Fishnet: i have found the information for you. It came from a website www.familysearch.org. I typed in Mary Ann Grantham, NZ and it returned quite a bit of info at the time LOL, the information listed on this site as follows. Mary Ann Grantham born 1860-1862 Straford on Avon England, married Samuel Frederick Timmo ( or Timms, could also be Frederick Samuel) on 29 March 1879/1880, Ashburton / Canterbury New Zealand. and she died 1 August 1932, Napier Hawkes Bay, NZ. Her mother was also a Mary Ann.. With this information, you can request her death certificate, if you wait till next week i can provide you with a folio number to order. that will have listed all living children at time of death. Parents names, etc... Hope this helps.
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angelbaby,thanks very much for that info,however i am pretty sure her mother was Elizabeth Powell(my greatx2 grandmother) who married Thomas Grantham on 5th April 1844 at Eatington(now Ettington).I got this info from the parish records at Warwick record office.Mary Ann had 15 children the only name i have is Minnie Timmo born about 1883.Thanks again,colin.
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Hi Colin, the mothers name on this site might very well be wrong i wouldnt trust any info unless its hard facts LOL However i hope some of this info helps. Did you loook at whitepages.co.nz? that should list all the Timmos in NZ. Will see what i can pull from Births Deaths and Marriages next week for you. :) cheers.
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Hi All
I quick update on the information I found - we got back as far as William & Sarah Grantham who were both born in Tysoe in the 1790s - and I didn't have access to the records, well I sent for some and they have arrived, so from the Registers of Tysoe in Warwickshire -
1815 Dec 26th William Grantham married Sarah Winter
1793 Feb 3rd William s/o Robert & Mary Grantham baptised
they also had Thomas 1791 (died 1816), Ann 1798 and Elizabeth 1803
finally a marriage 1790 Oct 10th Robert Grantham to MAry Hemmings
So there you go back another generation
:)
Debbie
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Oh, debbie you are such an angel! i hope that didnt cost you anything..?
This news is fantastic. Im so grateful.
Cheers.
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Have just checked the IGI - it seems that William Grantham born 1823 In Pillerton Priors was the son of another William & Sarah Grantham - as was Jeremiah father of George so it looks as though George & Hannah were first cousins on the Grantham side.
here are the older William & Sarah in 1851
from 1851 Pillerton Priors
William Grantham 57 born Warks Tysoe
Sarah Grantham 56 born Warks Tysoe
George Grantham 16 born P Priors
Hannah Satchwell 34 daughter born P Priors
George Satchwell 5
Thomas Satchwell 11
Debbie
Hi ya :o)
Could someone please help me with a theory, further research has lead me to find that Hannah Satchwell was married to a Satchwell ( i cant find my notes for a first name) but he doesnt appear ont he above records....Was she a widower at this time..?
Cheers.
Tisha
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angelbaby,thanks very much for that info,however i am pretty sure her mother was Elizabeth Powell(my greatx2 grandmother) who married Thomas Grantham on 5th April 1844 at Eatington(now Ettington).I got this info from the parish records at Warwick record office.Mary Ann had 15 children the only name i have is Minnie Timmo born about 1883.Thanks again,colin.
I would really like to know where this Thomas fits into the picture....? he cant be the one born in 1853...
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christened is another word for baptised - and it wasn't uncommon for brothers and sisters to be baptised at the same time if the parents had not had them done soon after birth which was the norm.
I am starting to find bits on the Alliborns - here is Mary Ann - listed as Ann from the 1841 census in Pillerton Hersey with her parants and siblings
from 1841
John Allibone born 1791
Ann Allibone born 1801
William Allibone born 1821
Ann Allibone born 1829
George Allibone born 1831
Eliza Allibone born 1833
David Allibone born 1835
Emma Allibone born 1838
Debbie
Jsut wondering if there would be any reocrds showing John Allibone/allabone parents, im wondering if Sarah Grantham nee allibone 's father, Thomas and John were brothers? Not crucial but just a pondering thought.. :o)
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Hi again :)
I will try and answer the questions in order - in answer to post 63
In 1851 Hannah Satchwell is down as daughter married (not widowed) and marked in the side margin is visitor, the birthplace of the 2 children is Butlers Marston Warks
from 1841 - Butlers Marston Warwickshire
William Satchel abt 1816
Hannah Satchel abt 1817
Thomas Satchel abt 1840
from 1861 Rowington Warwickshire
William Satchwell 46 born Rowington Warks
Hannah Satchwell 45
William Satchwell 9
Henry Satchwell 1
:)
Debbie
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In answer to post 64
Thomas Grantham who married Elizabeth according to the 1851 census for Pilerton Priors was born about 1820 in Pillerton Priors - I am fairly sure it would be the one baptised 26th November 1820 another son of 'your' William & Sarah Grantham whose marriage I gave you yesterday
As to post 65 - I am afraid that the most likly place to look to work out the parentage of Thomas & John Allibone is in the baptisms of Ettington parish - and not only are these not in the IGI for this period but I can't find that they have been transcribed and available for purchase, so I don't think I can do much on that - sorry
:)
Debbie
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Hi Debbie,
thanks for that :)
So in conclusion, Hannah Satchwell and her children was visting her father and brother at the time of the census.
re: the baptisims at the parish.....how would i get this information? or is it i simply cant?
Cheers again for your help.
Tish
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Tish - as far as I have been able to find out, the registers and/or transcripts havn't been published for that time, so that leaves trying to order a film (if they have filmed them) through you local morman centre and viewing it there or as you are abroad making visiting Warwickshire Records Office where the originals are, slightly expensive :D you could pay a researcher to check them for you - you could try E-mailing the records office to see what they suggest, though it is often cheaper to employ a private researcher than the record office fees for doing it - I have heard that Warwickshire RO is very helpful though I have no personal experience with them
Debbie
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lol i would say super expensive, althought it could be quite cool seeing where my ancestors lived...LOL but money wise i think ill trya nd contact the RO and see how i get on LOL
I sat for about two hours last night sifting through all the papers, i havent made heads or tails of some of the info yet, it gets all a bit confusing to say the least and the ages vary slightly on each census...although someone told me they round tot he nearest five in some cases.... *sigh*
I can see why people say your tree is never finished.
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oh hey, one more question, off the topic.
Whats the popular womans magazine over there...? In NZ i would have to say its the womans day or the NZ womans weekly, this is where people place helpline ads, do you have the same thing over there?
Cheers
Tisha
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Hi Tisha we do have several and many womans mags - as far as helpline ads what sort of thing are you looking for? - you can PM me if you don't want to say on here
Debbie
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Hi again :)
I just thought i might place a Grantham help line ad in one of the mags, I did one here, but im just waiting for it to be published.....
I was thinking a magazine targeted at woman around late tweties onwards....ya know those gossipy ones that go about the stars and stuff... LOL
Let me know what you think
Cheers
Tisha
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Hi Tisha
My great,great grandfather Thomas Grantham(born 1820) was the son of William Grantham/Sarah Winter.He married Elizabeth Powell at Ettington on the 5th April 1844.They had at least eleven children and seem to have moved around the area between Banbury and Shipston as the children are born in a few different villages.Cannot find a baptism for my great grandmother ,Dinah Grantham, or my grandfather Josiah Fisher.This does not mean they were'nt baptised as my father was baptised at home because they thought he would not live long.Perhaps they were all home baptisms and thats why no record exsists,just thought i would mention it as a possible reason you are having trouble finding baptism records.I have seen some lists on parish registers as "baptisms not bought to church"but i think it was down to the individual vicar to record them.
Thomas Grantham died on 26 December 1879 in Pillerton Hersey of pneumonia.Elizabeth moved to Aston ,Birmingham with Dinah who married my great grandfather George Edwin Fisher in 1882.I think Elizabeth died in Bromsgrove in 1907 but i have'nt sent for the cert.yet.Hope that explains how i am attached to the granthams and helps with your Thomas query.
Best wishes,Colin.
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oh hey, one more question, off the topic.
Whats the popular womans magazine over there...? In NZ i would have to say its the womans day or the NZ womans weekly, this is where people place helpline ads, do you have the same thing over there?
Cheers
Tisha
I have to admit I am not the best person to ask about such mags, I only ever read them if I am in a waiting room or such, any spare money seems to go on more finding aids and transcriptions. What are you hoping for from such an ad? if it is to discover living relies in this country you might be better off with the local paper, and possibly the local family history or local history society
:)
Debbie
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Hi Debbie.
Okay thanks :) what the local family history?
Cheers
Tisha
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Hello,
I have some other information about the Grantham family.
Elizabeth Grantham born 1862- daughter of William and Sarah is my gg grandmother, She married Henry McConnell (William Henry on some documents) in 1883 in Warwick.
I've been looking through the other posts about the Grantham family but my head has started to hurt now trying to figure it all out.
Thought this may be interesting to you
Madfan
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Fantastic news! Great to hear from you!!!!
Where are you based? im in Wellington New Zealand. :o)
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Hello,
Its great to hear from you as well, I'm a bit furher away from you though - Coventry England!
Iv'e got to go to work now but I'II explain where I fit into the grantham tree later.
Whats the time difference between her and NZ?
Bye
Madfan
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twelve hours and the day before...so its 9.37 pm here on monday night, so im assuming its 9.37am sunday morning there?
COuld be wrong..never followed geo much LOL
Look forward to talking to you
:o)
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Hello again,
Not sure what time it is in NZ, still haven't got my head around the time difference yet! LoL, just know that its 8.15pm Monday in not so sunny England.
Well this is where I believe I fit into the Grantham family:
William Grantham born Tysoe 1794 married to Sarah (Winter) had a son called William born 1823/24 as well as Jeremiah (I love that name) born 1827 and the others mentioned in the other posts,
William Grantham married another Sarah (Allibone) and one of their children was Elizabeth born in Ettington in 1862.
Elizabeth married Henry McConnell from Dublin Ireland who was a lot older than her (22 years older! according to the 1901 census. In 1891 and 1901 they were living in Warwick. They had 10 children including Triplets! One of these triplets was my great grandma Monica Theresa who had 3 children. She unfortunately died 5 days after giving birth to my grandma and then eventually I came along.
If I haven't got it wrong this would make Jeremiah Elizabeths uncle and Jeremiahs children her cousins. Are you decended from Jeremiahs son George? Sorry I haven't quite got it worked out in my head yet - It can get so confusing.
it sort of blows my mind that without all these people I wouldn't be here, lol
Especially when I only live 20 miles away from where they all lived.
Have you found out where any of the Grantham family are buried? I haven't looked into this yet but they should be so close to me this definately my next job on my to do list. I haven't been able to find out when Elizabeth died - she may have married again?
Well thats my story - sorry it was bit long
Bye
Madfan
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hi again,
great news! We knew Elizabeth exisited through parish records, but knew nothing else...melba will be most excited! i am a decendant of Your Elizabeths sister Hannah AND a decendant of Jeremiah HA HA HA
So really, we are cousins. How exciting! Elizabeth's brothers and sisters are: Sarah ann ( married william Hoare ) Hannah Maria ( married William, william was her cousin, son of Jeremiah! i decend from these two ) HArriet (married? )and Charles, who died 3 months after birth
Jerimiah ( also known as jeremiah ) married Mary ann allibone ( not sister to sarah but poss first cousins ) they had 14 children ( dirty couple! )
i have the three generations back from them but not as detailed. i will PM you my email address and i can talk to you through email.
This is all very exciting!
Latisha
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Hi Cousin!
Yipee! How excitied am I!!
I told my mum last night and she couldn't beleive it, she will be even more excited now.
I'll send you a pm later when I get back from work.
speak to you later
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hi hi
Look forward to speaking to you again.
YAY!
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Ohhhh...that's so great for both of you... ;D How exciting!!!
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:D
Thanks J.J
It is great and exciting! I have relatives the other side of the world! and we found each other!! - thanks Rootschat :D :D :D
Madfan
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thanks Rootschat
;D ;D ;D I'll second that...!!!
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I am new to this site and am not very proficient. I have been researching my family history and came across a conversation with Angelfire (I think) and JJ (I think) regarding Mary Ann Grantham.
My great great grandmother was Mary Ann Grantham (her parents were Elizabeth Powell and Thomas Grantham. Mary Ann married Samuel Frederick Timmo (sometimes recorded as Timms - just to make things difficult!). They had 10 children. They lived in New Zealand. Samuel Frederick was born in Madras (now Chennai) on the Bay of Bengal in India. I have been led to believe that he changed his name to Timmo before marrying Mary Ann. My great grandmother, Mary Ann (Polly) was one of their daughters.
I have some further information and a photograph of Mary Ann, Samuel and their children, if you are interested.
Cheers
DA
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Hi D A,
A big Welcome to RootsChat. ;D
I think this is the thread you are referring to so I have merged your thread with this one, where I hope angelbaby69nz will find you. All the Best.
Cheers Kris :)
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I am new to this site and am not very proficient. I have been researching my family history and came across a conversation with Angelfire (I think) and JJ (I think) regarding Mary Ann Grantham.
My great great grandmother was Mary Ann Grantham (her parents were Elizabeth Powell and Thomas Grantham. Mary Ann married Samuel Frederick Timmo (sometimes recorded as Timms - just to make things difficult!). They had 10 children. They lived in New Zealand. Samuel Frederick was born in Madras (now Chennai) on the Bay of Bengal in India. I have been led to believe that he changed his name to Timmo before marrying Mary Ann. My great grandmother, Mary Ann (Polly) was one of their daughters.
I have some further information and a photograph of Mary Ann, Samuel and their children, if you are interested.
Cheers
DA
Hi and welcome to Rootschat DA
I'm not sure how often Angelbaby visits Rootschat but I am still in touch with her. I am descended from the Granthams who stayed in the UK and Angelbaby from those who emigrated to New Zealand. I have sent a pm (personal message) to you.
Happy New Year
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Many thanks for merging the posts, i didnt see it :(
My Mary Ann Grantham ( polly ) is actually Mary Ann that decends from Hannah Maria Grantham and George Henry Grantham....
She was also known as Mary Ann Stone, as her dad passed away at an early age and her monther remarried, i do have some information on your line if you would like it, i could dig it out :)
I am in contact with someone from your line, i will email them now.....
Hear from you soon
Tish
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After searching my emails.......from my contact
"Regarding Granthams i have Dinahs birth cert,she was born 24th july 1852 at Pillerton Priors,her father being Thomas Grantham and her mother Elizabeth Grantham formerly Powell.Tracked Dinah on the census forms and she is living with the family in Pillerton Priors in 1861 but in 1871 is a general servant for an evangelist preacher in Birmingham.
Thomas Grantham died on 26th December 1879 aged 59 years of pneumonia,it appears none of his children stayed at home long before moving out to work ,Mary Ann and Ada end up in New Zealand by 1878"
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And after more thinking.... i believe i have a copy of Mary anns Death Certificate.....if you are interested....your Mary ann, not mine, i ordered it thinking it was mine.......
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Hi Angelbaby
I would like to send you a personal message as I am really no good at this chatter thing!! I can't work out how to do it. I would prefer to be in contact via e-mail as I know how to use that.
Any ideas?
DA
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i have pm my email address to you.
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hello I am a direct decendant of Mary Timmo she was the daughter of mary and samuel frederick timmo mary married toko Pakai and one of her surviving daughters asked me to search for the decendants of her grandparents. and what do you know here we are!! My Aunty is 87 years old and lives in Pukekohe she will be so thrilled to know where all her family are. My aunty asked me to do this on the 24th of Dec and by chance I clicked on this page!!! hello all my cousins all over the world. My name is Ruth and I live in Brisbane. We would like to find all the timmo's as well!
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All very exciting....
The timms/timmo line relates to me only via Thomas's ( married to Elizabeth Powell ) brothers Jeremiah and William Jnr.
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Just a quick note to add to this conversation which may be useful:
There were some Granthams that were a well known canal boat family in the Warwickshire area in the first half of the 20th century.
See http://www.wcbs.org.uk/autoindex.htm?/society/soc_fmn_cabin.htm
Also, a lot of agricultural labourers from Warwickshire emigrated in the 1870's due to the lack of jobs in England. The new National Agricultural Labourers Union helped many to emigrate. These included a group of 40 to 50 who left south Warwickshire in April 1872 to work building a new railway in New Zealand. They were engaged for 2 years at a rate of 5s. a day. That October another party left on the same basis and these included 20 from Kenilworth. (From 'Victorian Kenilworth and its people', Robin Leach, Rookfield Publications, 2006)
Also see www.nzetc.org - search on 'warwickshire' - there is a lot of information here.
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Just searching the net as my niece is getting married and have managed to go back about three generation. Samuel Federick Timmo was my great great grandfather and Mary Ann Grantham my great great grandmother. They married in Christchurch New Zealand in 1879. My great grandfather was their son William who married Matilda Sweeney and they had four children one of which was my grandmother Mary Clair Timmo. She married William Quinn and they had four children one of which is my mother Peggy Quinn who married Peter Anstis in 1959 and had three children, myself Diane and my brothers Shane and David (twins).
I note that you have a photo of Samuel and Mary Ann with their children - would love to get a copy. I have marriage certificate and birth certificates back to Mary Ann and Samuel but that's about as far as I have been able to go.
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Hey there!
Thats great news!! i will PM my email addy, i would love to hear from you.
I decend from Mary Ann Timmo (nee Grantham ) parents siblings, a long distant relation....but still, i have been working with another family member on the Timmo line and have a bit of information. I think Dorothy would be eager to chat to you. Just today Mary Ann Timmos death certificate arrived from BDM ( re -married to Chilver) She had twins too...
Talk soon!
Tish
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my name is ivena smith, i come from maryanne and fredericks line and dont really have much about them,there daughter maryanne (polly) timmo is my ggrandmother her daughter Hauri pakai is my grandmother would love a copy of the photo if thats possible and any info attached is a photo of Maryanne (timmo) pakai and Hauri Pakai
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Hi. My name is Brian and I too have hit a brick wall with family TIMMO
My 2nd great grandmother was
Ellen Beatrice TIMMO 26.5.1886 - 1951 married to
Samuel Nicholas ( Brick) MARTIN 1889-1958.
Beatrice was one of Mary Ann (GRANTHAM) and Samuel Frederick TIMMO's children.
Samuel Frederick TIMMO B 1852=1901. I cannot substantiate this but have heard that Samuels father was an orphan in Southern India ? Tamil Nadu/Madras now Chennai'Born about 1832 then taken to England at a young age by a British soldier, where he must have had his name changed.
I would be most appreciative of any information to assist me in cracking this seemingly difficult brick wall .
Many thx
Brian :'( :(
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Happy to send I what I have :)
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Hi. My name is Brian and I too have hit a brick wall with family TIMMO
My 2nd great grandmother was
Ellen Beatrice TIMMO 26.5.1886 - 1951 married to
Samuel Nicholas ( Brick) MARTIN 1889-1958.
Beatrice was one of Mary Ann (GRANTHAM) and Samuel Frederick TIMMO's children.
Samuel Frederick TIMMO B 1852=1901. I cannot substantiate this but have heard that Samuels father was an orphan in Southern India ? Tamil Nadu/Madras now Chennai'Born about 1832 then taken to England at a young age by a British soldier, where he must have had his name changed.
I would be most appreciative of any information to assist me in cracking this seemingly difficult brick wall .
Many thx
Brian :'( :(
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http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=679416.msg5240050
A relative of yours looking for information, just putting this here :)
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Hi I have some info on Maryanne and Samuel, but I am looking for more.
Do you have William Grantham's parents, Robert Grantham and Mary Hemming's, born 25 Oct 1691 Tysoe, Warwickshire, England. they married 19 Oct 1790. Mary's parents John Hemming's and Mary Hemming's.I haven't got any further than this.
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hi there
Do you have Info on who Samuel Frederick Timmo parents are and where exactly in India he was born?
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hi ivena. Any help on Samuel Frederick Timmo would be wonderful as we descend from him also! My family are wanting to visit chennai India next year but would love to have further genealogy to make more connections both in NZ and India.
Regards
Riki
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I’m also a descent of Samuel Timmo. His Granddaughter Minnie Timmo was my 2nd great grandmother
I took would love a copy of the photo and any info to help my search.
You can find me on Facebook under Sharon Daily (Nowell)
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Hi I’m new to this site
My 4th great grandfather was Samuel Timmo.
His granddaughter Minnie Timmo was my 2nd great Grandmother Her granddaughter is Fay (my nana) who is still alive at 91
I would love a copy of the family photo with Samuel and MaryAnn to show her
Also any information going back from Samuel Timmo 1832 or his wife Minnie 1836 as I’m at at brick wall