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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Topic started by: gratuation on Tuesday 29 December 09 09:43 GMT (UK)
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I am trying to trace my ancestors the whitecross family from Aberdeenshire. I know that James Whitecross was born around 1840-1 i have taken his birth details from the cencus. He had a daughter Margaret Whitecross who was born in london, however margaret went back to dundee to have her son William Mcquire Lambert. I can only assume she went home to family there. Margaret and her husband alfred lambert lived in dundee for a time, alfred worked in the local mill.
Can anyone help me trace James Whitecross born 1841-1 in Aberdeen, i would like to know who his parents were. I know James father was also called James whitecross according to the marriage certificate, but i dont know who is mother was. I would to find out more.
many thanks indeed. Any help gratefully received.
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Hi gratuation :)
I see this is your first post although you've been a member for a while so I'll say welcome :)
Firstly, have you tried tracing him through the censuses?
Second, you say his father was James from a marriage certificate. Could you tell us his wife's name as this might help trace him.
Thirdly, have you checked up on the IGI www.familysearch.org and, more importantly, Scotland's People www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk for any information.
Regards
Gadget
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hello and thank you for the reply to my post.
I have tried to find james within those sources that you mention, but no luck.
James whitecross married Sarah James in 1876 london.
thanks again
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I see from SP that William McGuire Lambert was born Dundee in 1910. I'll do some more searching in that area and get back to you if I find anything :)
Gadget
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There are two birth/baptisms coming up for James Whitecross around that time ~
7 March 1838, Abbotshall, Fife Parents - Richard Whitecross and Cecilia Lamb
3 August 1842, Grange, Banff Parents - William Whitecross and Helen Bonnieman
Gadget
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many thanks for that,
not sure how to find out if one of these James Whitecross is mine, maybe the census?
all the best
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Hi again :)
Have you found James on any censuses before 1881?
I notice on the 1881 that he was a ship's rigger. This is so far the nearest that I can find for him in 1871:
27 Overgate St Clement, Dundee (St Clement was where William Lambert was born)
282/3 ED 7 P 15
Cecilia Johnston, 60, housekeeper, b. Dysart, Fife
James Whitecross, son, 30, ship builder, b. Abbotshall
Mary Whitecross, daughter, 28, confectioner, b. Abbotshall
This James not found in Scotland on the 1881
The problem with this is that he clearly states that he was b. Abeerdeen, Aberdeenshire in the 1881 and Abbotshall is in Fife. :-\
Added - also, as he was a 'seaman' on the 1891, he might well not be in the earlier censuses
Gadget
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hey you have been busy!!
thank you. :)
you mention william was born in overgate street dundee, i didnt
know that wow. this is william lambert born on the 4th august 1910 isnt it?
As for james whitecross, yes i found him on the 1881 english census aged 40 his wife was sarah only 28! he was a widower. He must have had a son david and daughter anne before he married sarah, and his son james aged 12.
I'm getting a bit confused! dont think i can find out anymore about James whitecross born 1841 :'( but thanks for the information and help .
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Hi,
please check this link to avoid duplication of work.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=426983.new#new
Retgards,
flst :)
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Thanks flst, though it doesn't look as if the other post had any takers!
Can anyone find the James Whitecross born circa 1869 on the 1871. He's shown on the 1881 in Bromley:
RG11/500/110/29
He might lead us to more clues. I can't find him and I've tried him as James James in case he was Sarah's son. I think I've found Sarah.
Also, the McGuire name might be worth investigating.
Gadget
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Only birth record that I can find for James Whitcross, jnr is:
James William Whitecross, Dec q, 1870, Poplar, v 1c p 613
None of those in Scotland born around the time fit :-\
Gadget
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thanks anyway,
very pleased because you mentiioned the 1891 census with james on it, i didnt have that recorded because of the incorrect spelling but its def my james so thanks for that. ;D
all the best
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Hi
I'd not mentioned the 1891 ref:
RG12/319/32/11
Living with mother in law, Mary A James and entered as Whitecroft
Have you got him on the 1901/1911?
Gadget
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No i cant find him on the 1901 and i dont have access to the 1911 if you do is william mcquire on there? can you let me know where he was living. now i am being cheeky.
I did find sarah on the 1901 as a servent I'm sure its her poor james must have died and she went into service. :( the spelling is wrong again but the dates add up. I think!!
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I'm not allowed to give any info on the 1911 - Rootschat and FindmyPast rules. Sorry :-\
I don't see a death for James Whitecross or Whitecroft 1891-1901 but don't see him on the 1901 at the moment.
I think the Sarah that you've found is correct and she's down as married not widowed (RG13/344/77/29)
I'll do some more searching :)
Gadget
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hey thanks so much you are a star.
I think i may have just discovered soemthing by accident.
My James whitecross was a widow on marrying sarah james. I was just looking at birth records on ancestry and found some whitecrosses with a father James and mother elizabeth i then went back to the 1881 census and there were step children david and ann. Remember i said sarah was only 28 when they married, so it makes sence. One of the children middle names were isobel ( not sure if thats the right spelling ) going back to the james whitecross in aberdeen there was a peter and isobel i dont know why but i think this is the missing link. Need to do some more checking.
:-\
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Before you go into checking mode, on the marriage cert of James and Sarah, what was James's father's occupation given as?
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hello again, I'm pulling my hair out here! I found out james first wife was elizabeth who had margaret, david and isobella before he married sarah. However i cant find any of them of any census ARRRRR
Anyway, sarah james father john james was a laborer
and james whitecross father james whitecross was a iron moulder they were married in 1876.
I need a cupa and will then attempt to find a bit more out about james first marraige. Not sure how this will help me find out james parents but i'm very confused at the moment!!!!
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Have you got any birth refs for Margaret, David and Isobella and there place/date of birth?
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yes,
isabella helen baptised 17th April 1864
margaret jane " 9th JUne 1867
william James 27th Nov 1870
david alexander 18th Sept 1872
They were all baptised at st mary saint lenoards tower hamlets
feeling very guilty you are spending a lot of time helping me. thanks so much.
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I've found an Isabella Ellen Whitecross:
Sep q, 1863, Poplar, v 1c p 573
and one for David Alexander Whitecross:
Septq, 1872, Poplar, v 1c p 603
This would tie in with the James that I found earlier:
Only birth record that I can find for James Whitcross, jnr is:
James William Whitecross, Dec q, 1870, Poplar, v 1c p 613
However, there is also a Margaret in 1882 in Poplar which was after James's marriage to Sarah :-\
Sorry - I think i cross posted with you - not sure about the Margaret b. 1882!
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i should have mentioned margaret whitecross b 1882 was james daughter with sarah, very odd calling his first and second daughters the same name. However, this has to be the same james eveything else ties in.
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Just been having a nose at the records and see that James is down as a mariner so it does look like him.
Now to find a marriage for them.
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Don't think that the Peter Whitecross and Isabella are linked.
There is a marriage in Dundee in 1858 for a James Whitecross, aged 19 to a Sarah Johnston. His parents were Peter Whitecross and isabella Allan but James is down as a baker, journeyman.
I don't see a marriage to an Elizabeth in the E&W BMDs or Scotland! I wonder if Elizabeth went to sea with James because I don't see her on the 1871.
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you may be right, i cant find anything for her or the children for 1871 most odd.
I am convinced that my margaret whitecross who was my gg grandma had all those half siblings. I found out that margaret jane died aged i so this is why they may have called my margret 1882 after her.
Still cant find anything through the half sliblings thought thought i might find a family tree where they may have been listed and find thier grandparents.
many many thanks for all your help.
:)
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I'll have a look on the Overseas/Maritime registers later this evening. Must go and look active now :-X :-X :-X
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Hi
I don't see any marriages in the overseas/maritime registers for James Whitecross.
If they were married in Scotland it might have been a common law marriage. In which case it wouldn't have been recorded.
What I don't understand is that none of them show up on the 1871, so far :-\
Gadget
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yes i know how odd, but i really do appricate all your help.
many many thanks
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Hi
James Whitecross - 1st wife was Elizabeth Narin (wonder if this should be Nairn??) - married as James Whitcross 29/8/1862 St. Dunstan, Stepney, Middlesex - marriage on IGI and in FreeBMD's.
Elizabeth Whitecross bc.1843 - death Dec.qtr. 1873 Poplar
Eventually found on 1871 Census - (transcribed on A...y as Winkelvoss??)
St. Leonard Street, 12 Priory Terrace, Bromley St. Leonard, London
Elizabeth Whitcross 28 Wife Dressmaker born Scotland
Isabella Whitcross 8 dau. Scholar " Bromley
Elizabeth Whitcross 7 dau. " " "
James Whitcross 6 mos. " "
+ lodger
Ref. RG10 - 569 - 124 - 37
James senior presumably at Sea. (Daughter Elizabeth was Elizabeth Ann Whitecross b.Mar.qtr.1865 Poplar).
Annette
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Thank goodness for that. I'd given up for the evening :)
I'd been using Whitecro* ::) ::) ::)
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Any chance of finding James' parents, Annette :-\
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On the 1851 there's a James Whitecross, aged 24, mariner at 1 Littlejohn Street, Aberdeen. Born Aberdeen. His father is down as a silversmith. He could have underestimated his age. It might be worth having a closer look. See below :)
Full index has Elizabeth after Narsb.. so she must be down as Narin although the page is very poor.
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I've just been looking at the marriage entry of James and Elizabeth.
James Whitcross, mariner. Father - Francis Whitcross, iron moulder.
I'm sure i saw a Francis in Scotland at some stage today/yesterday!
:D
Gadget
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:)
Marriage - IGI extracted
Old Machar, Aberdeen 28 Dec 1838: Francis Whitecross and Helen Marshall
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Death ~
4 Feb 1882, Dundee Helen Whitecross, married to Francis Whitecross, iron moulder, aged 65.
Parents - James Marshall, gardener and Betsy m.s. Hamilton. Both deceased
Informant - Margaret Whitecross, daughter
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This might well be the family:
1851:
20 Hunter Street Dundee
Whitecross
Francis, 30, late(? possibly lathe but written as late) turner , b. Kirriemuir, Forfar
Helen, 34, b. Armagh, Ireland
James, 12, basket maker, b. Old Machar, Aberdeen
Willm, 8, b. Old Machar, Aberdeen
David, 5, b. St Nicholas, Aberdeen
Hellen, 3, b. St Nicholas, Aberdeen
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Think I might have found something that meets most of the criteria - only fly in the ointment is that father's name is Francis!.
1851 - 20 Hunter Street, Dundee, Forfarshire (Angus)
Francis Whitecross 30 Turner b. Kirriemuir, Forfarshire
Helen Whitecross 34 b. Armagh, Ireland
James Whitecross 12 Basket Maker b. Old Machar, Aberdeenshire
William Whitecross 8 Scholar b. ditto
David Whitecross 5 b. St. Nicholas, Aberdeenshire
Helen Whitecross 3 ditto
Roll CSSCT1851_63
1861 - 184 South Street, Perth, Perthshire
Francis Whitecross 40 Labourer in Foundry b. Kirriemuir, Forfarshire
Ann Whitecross 28 b. Dundee, Forfarshire
William Whitecross 17 B. Moulder (app). b. Aberdeen, Aberdeenshire
+ 2 Boarders - both Labs. in Iron Foundry
(1st wife Helen has died and Francis remarried to a younger model!!)
IGI shows Francis Whitecross married Helen Marshall 28/12/1838 Old Machar, Aberdeenshire.
An Iron Moulder would work in a Foundry and this family fits.
Children born Aberdeenshire - 2 born St. Nicholas, Aberdeen so family lived there for a while.
Lived in Dundee where 2nd wife also born.
With exception of Isabella the family christian names fit.
Just to continue the scenario there is a brief Public Tree on A....y which shows a James Whitecross (seaman) with a wife Elizabeth Ann Nairn - no marriage date/place and no other details about the couple at all - who had a daughter Elizabeth who married a David Hill in 1889 in Dundee. The actual details shown for this daughter are 'Elizabeth Whitecross or Burnett, b.13/3/1866 Arbroath, Angus, illeg.' I've run out of credits so can't look at the birth certificate but whilst they have the right parents for her I think whoever the tree belongs to has looked for a likely Elizabeth born in Scotland and cottoned onto this 'Elizabeth Whitecross or Burnett' b.1866. I looked on the 1901 Census for Dundee and found a David Hill bc.1861 Dundee married to an Elizabeth bc.1865 ENGLAND. I feel absolutely sure that the Elizabeth Whitecross who married David Hill 1889 Dundee is the dau. of James Whitecross and Elizabeth Narin/Nairn. Again, with no credits I can't look at the marriage certificate either but feel sure I'm right. With her married sister living in Dundee perhaps this is why Margaret and her husband went there too.
My brains worn out now so think it's time I went to bed.
Annette
(Just seen latest posts from Gadget which agree with my findings but will post this anyway. Have we cracked it).
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Think we might have partly cracked it, Annette. Francis was the name given as father on James's first marriage entry (see above #32 ) so I went with that and found the marriage, etc, and the census entries.
Not sure whether we can do much more with Helen Marshall, b, Armagh but at least we have her parents from the death cert of 1882.
Haven't found a death for Francis yet or a baptism record but eyes getting very sore as I'm doing a photo restore in between looking ::)
So Goodnight :)
Just seen your comment re 1861 - Helen didn't die until 1882 so Ann must have been a bidie-in
Funny - I did see that family earlier but thought - no - because of the Francis and James down as a basket maker!
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Re the Elisabeth Whitecross b. 13 march 1866, Arbroath. her mother is down as Mary Whitecross or Burness on IGI, extracted, so, as you surmised, they've picked the wrong Elis/zabeth
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No Francis Whitecross/alternatives coming up on the Kirriemuir baptisms but there are quite a lot of Whitecrosses on the 1716-1819 batch.
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Well you have been busy ! just wanted to say a big thank you having to rush out which is really anoying because i just want to read all the messages. Will look forward to that later this morning.
thanks to Annette too trying to reply and say thanks but there is no reply box under her message. I am still finding my way around this site, but you have found out so much for me you are a star. ;D
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Hi, I'm so pleased to see how much progress has been made on your query. Well done everyone!
Just to say that the reply button is at the bottom of the page, on the most recent post.
Regards,
flst :)
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Here they are in 1841;
Maryfield, Dundee
Whitecross Francis 20 labourer, Helen 23 (born Ireland),James 2, Milne James, 20 labourer,Whitecross Alexander,16, labourer (brother to Francis). Apart from Helen all are born outwith the county.
Regards,
flst :)
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Yes i am very happy and would like to thank gadget and annette.
Just one thing! evrything ties in but i have James whitecross as the father on james and sarahs marraige certificate 1876 ( his second wife) it does look like james and not francis. This is the only bit that doesnt fit, Gadget where did you get the information from about his second marriage to elizabeth? where James father is francis?
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thank you fist, still a little baffled over francis being James whitecrss father. Gadget said francis appears on the first marrigae certificate but on the second one his father is down as james unless i am reading it incorrectly.
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Hi
Once Annette had identified James' first marriage, I was able to find the marriage entry. It clearly gave his father's name as Francis Whitcross, iron moulder.
As we'd not found any James Whitecross (alt spellings) who fitted, I investigated Francis and was very quickly able to identify his marriage to Helen and find them in the censuses and, also, Helen's death which gave her parents' names.
It's not unusual for the wrong name to be given to the Vicar/Registrar at marriage for various reasons - nerves, memory, etc.
If anyone can find a death for Francis, it would be a great help.
Regards
Gadget
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Yes i was wondering if maybe a wrong name was given at the wedding service, but it is on all the bans as James. Maybe he didnt like the name francis! and liked to be called james. ::)
It must be the same person as you mentiioned earlier all the other names tie in.
What was helen's parent names?
thanks for all your help, very happy hope i can help someone soon.
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Hi :)
Helen's parents names are shown in Reply #34:
Death ~
4 Feb 1882, Dundee Helen Whitecross, married to Francis Whitecross, iron moulder, aged 65.
Parents - James Marshall, gardener and Betsy m.s. Hamilton. Both deceased
Informant - Margaret Whitecross, daughter
As the census gives her birthplace as Armagh, Ireland, it might be worth putting a request on that board for information on her:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/board,52.0.html
Give the information that Helen Marshall was born approx 1817 and her parents were James Marshall and Betsy Hamilton
Regards
Gadget
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Whilest looking through familysearch I came across these entries;
Francis Whitecross born 2/1/1869 to Thomas Whitecross & Catherine Dickson ( think it was Alyth) Possible relative?
Alexander Lindsay Whitecross married Mary Rosewall 1849, Melbourne Australia.
They had a son, Francis James Whitecross, born 1857 Ararat, Victoria, Australia. Alexander was born in the U.K. circa 1826 which ties in with the Alexander in 1841 census. His son's names could reflect his grandfather's christian names.
What do you think?
flst :)
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Hi flst :)
It looks intersting but I can't find any more leads at the moment because my laptop is on the verge of collapse and every search I do is a 'will it won't it' :-\
Hope to get a new one in the New Year!
Gadget
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thanks for all your help, your lap top has been working hard over the last few days/ Hope you get a new one soon.
:)
g
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hi flst
thank for looking that up, I'll have a look
:)
g
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I've found an entry in freepages re Alexander Lindsay Whitecross. It's got details of his descendants on it. His place of birth in the index to assisted immigration is Dundee. According to the census he wasn't born in Dundee, could this have been his last residence in Scotland? He died 31 /12 /1867 & was buried the next day in Ararat Cemetery. An enquiry in the Australia board seems to be the next step.
:)
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Hi flst :)
Do we know that this Alexander is Francis's brother? Are there any Alexander Whitecross of that age in Scotland on the 1851, etc.
Gadget
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Hi Gadget,
I haven't come across another Alexander in the1851 census but that may be because I was searching in freecen & it's incomplete.
Regarding Thomas L Whitecross, he is in England in 1861,aged 26, a servant,born in Aberdeen. I have n't access to this census just found this info in familysearch.
flst
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Just finished searching the 1851 for Scotland and don't see Alexander.
Gadget
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Hi
Been doing a lot of digging and have come up with a lot of answers I think to questions already raised. Have tried to list in a logical fashion but this will be a long message.
1. Were Francis Whitecross parents' David Whitecross and Jean Lindsay - Yes!
Francis bp.16/5/1820 Kirriemuir with parents above (have looked at original entry as IGI shows a submitted entry for a Frances, dau. of above with a year of 1819 but it was definitely 1820 and none of the entries states son/daughter, just christian name of child and clearly Frances should read Francis.) his siblings are (as shown on original and not the submitted ones on IGI) Margaret bp.9/5/1802, Anne bp.22/10/1803, Betty bp.13/10/1805, James bp.30/8/1807, Janet bp.8/10/1809, David bp.15/9/1811, William bp.7/11/1814, Jean bp.3/12/1815, Elizabeth bp.28/3/1818, Francis bp.16/5/1820 and Alexander Lindsay bc.1823/4 (no baptism found).
2. As detailed on the 'freepages' referred to by 'flst' - were William Whytcross bc.1814 and Alexander Lindsay Whitecross bc.1824 brothers who went to Australia - Yes!
3. 1841 Census - Dundee, Angus - Alexander 16 Farm Servant is living with his brother Frances (spelt this way again) - already listed on this thread.
4. William/wife and Alexander sailed to Australia on 21/12/1841 from Greenock arriving Port Philip on 16/2/1842 - William 27, Labourer and Alexander 18 Farm Servant. Further details of their life in Australia on the 'freepages'.
5. 1861 census - Francis 40 - Labourer in Foundry - living in Perth with an Ann (shown as wife?) 28 and and son William 17 from marriage to Helen. Said Helen, clearly abandoned by Francis, is living in Dundee as a Mill Worker with children David 15, Helen 13, and Margaret 8 + a lodger - the 2 elder children also Mill Workers.
6. No death entry can be found in Scotland for Francis Whitehead nor any further trace on census. Why? He went to America with Ann!!!
7. Census records in US show he apparently emigrated c.1864 (stated on 1880 and 1900 census) but must have gone back to Scotland for a time returning 28/11/1879. In the US records his age fluctuates alarmingly although it is clearly the same person. When he arrived back in US in 1879 aged shown as 48 (?) with Mrs. Whitecross (age illegible), a dau. aged 17 (later shown as Bella) and a son Robert aged 6. Both these children born Scotland, the dau. c.1862 (just before he left) and the son c.1874 (once he'd returned).
8. Can find no trace of these childrens births in Scotland under Whitecross so as we know parents weren't married are they listed under Ann's maiden name which of course we don't know?
9. In 1885 family went from New Jersey to Alabama but had returned by early 1890's.
10. US Census 1880 - Paterson, Passaic, New Jersey
Whitecross Frances 60 At Home b. Scotland
Whitecross Ann 58 (? - should be 48) Keeps House and Salloon B. Scotland
Whitecross Robert 6 At School b. Scotland
+ 5 Boarders (cannot find dau.)
US Census 1900 - Paterson Ward 7, Passaic, New Jersey
Fra. Whitecross 70 (!) Saloonkeeper b. Scotland
Maggie Whitecross 38 b. Scotland
Alexander Black step-son 16 ditto
May/Mary (?) Black step-dau. 12 ditto
So Ann has died between 1880 and 1893. 1900 Census states Francis and Maggie had been married 7 years. Son Robert now married with own family.
11. By 1910 Maggie is a widow again i.e. Frances Whitecross died between 1900 and 1910. Heaven know what age is given - the only correct one I found was that for 1880 Census.
Annette
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hi Annette,
wow, i dont know what to say. I never thought in a million years i would have such an interesting ancetry.!!!!! Never thought any of my ancestors had been outside good old britain.
Just one thing that is really bothering me, I cant get my head around the fact that ( going back now to james whitecross who started all this born 1841 !!!) On his first marriage he has francis whitecross down as his dad and then on the second marriage certificate james down as the dad. Its definatly the same person ( i i think) eveything else ties in all the names of half syblins etc. Gadget said it may be due to nerves on the wedding day which i can understand. However, three lots of bans were read and they all state james as being the dad. Humm, not sure what to make of that. Nerves would account on the day but all three occassions he put down james humm. What do you think? Is there anyway i can cross check that james was really francis!!!!? Hope that all makes sence, i dont like to adopt a family on my tree unless i am 100% sure, you know what i mean.
Thanks for taking the time to look all those records up, i am very impressed.
oh yes can you let me know what this freepages are? Is there a web page address for it ?
many many thanks
G
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Hi again
In a way I can understand your feelings re. the father James stated on 2nd. marriage but all the evidence points to it actually being Francis. Luckily, in this case, the name is relatively unusual and we know that the children are correct and that 1st wife Elizabeth died a couple of years before James re-married. I reckon it was a simple mistake given when initially giving details - no doubt the marriage certificate was produced from this same information.
As to the freepages link - after reading the earlier post I just googled the name Alexander Lindsay Whitecross and the second item was the link needed. I noted the web address but part seems to be missing and it didn't come up that way. Just click on the name and it takes you to a personal web page. I'm going to contact the submitter because I at least have found information which connects the 2 people she is interested in.
At the end of the day, there was no James Whitecross, Iron Moulder, hence your request in the first place and I'm certain Francis is the man you want.
Annette
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You've been really busy, Annette. Well done :)
No wonder I couldn't find Francis after Helen's death. He sneaked off to America :o
Also the Whitecrosses are listed as Whytecross on SP ::)
Gadget
PS - I've found numrous examples of father's name been given wrongly on death and marriage certs. It was just a question of finding the first marriage entry. And, as I'd seen a Francis on a Scottish census in my earlier searches, it became obvious.
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Gadget
Don't know if you noticed on IGI but to get entries on overall family you have to enter in 3 different surnames (would have thought as they sound the same the connection would have happened automatically as they usually do) i.e. Whitecross, Whytecross and Whytcross.
Annette
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hello again,
yes you are absoulutly right, cant tell you how very grateful i am that you have taken the time to look this up. THANK YOU SO MUCH.
I trust your expertise, mabye francis hated the name james !! and just said james because thats what folk called him . He could have considered his gggrand -daughter trying to tie everything together !!
happy new year Annette you are a star. ( still dont know what freepages are can you send me the web page details) thanks
Still cant beleive what you have managed to find, WOW
G
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A big thank you to Gadget, flst and Annette, happy new year
Cant tell you how very happy I am to find out the information you have provided.
Many thanks
G :)
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The printed 'link' to freepages is very long and clearly has some details missing - 'freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/......../whitecross' - it's a members personal web-page.
However, the ...... bit is clearly crucial as the link won't come up without it. But, as I suggested, if you do a search on 'Google' and just enter in the name Alexander Lindsay Whitecross it brings up a list of entries and the second item on my screen is headed by this name and if you then click on the name it takes you to the web page. Simple.
Happy New Year.
Annette
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you are a star XXX
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Gadget
Don't know if you noticed on IGI but to get entries on overall family you have to enter in 3 different surnames (would have thought as they sound the same the connection would have happened automatically as they usually do) i.e. Whitecross, Whytecross and Whytcross.
Annette
Hi Annette
I used SP and soundex in the end and it did deliver but my my computer hung! (was down to my last credit! )
I just couldn't open more than one window and then everything kept hanging.
I'm going to go off to spend lotsa ££££s before I go stark staring bonkers ::)
Happy New Year to everyone involved with this thread.
We got there. Would love to pick up the Irish side but :-\
Gadget :-* :-* :-*
PS - gratuation - will send you Helen's death cert and James's first marriage cert when I download
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hi
yes i will of course when i can finally discover how you do that! sorry i'm not very pc.
This has all been very exciting and has put back my faith in human kindess which to be honest with was in decline a little. back on track no and ready to help others this site shoud be a tonic in human well being !!XXX
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Hello
I'm a newcomer to this site. But I have "WHITECROSS" on my husband's tree and also on mine!! My husbands Gt. Gt. Grandmother was ELIZABETH WHITECROSS, born 1830 in a tiny fishing village south of Cruden Bay and north of Aberdeen, Scotland, called WHINNEYFOLD - pronounced locally as FINNYFALD. It is perched above the North Sea of the edge of the cliffs, with a winding path leading down to the small beach and shore line. Long ago the inhabitants, mostly fishermen, were involved in smuggling under the noses of the excise men. There's also a story of the rescue of a number of sailors from a sinking ship off the coast, and one of the local cemeteries has gravestones to the drowned shipmates.
My WHITECROSS ancestor was ANN, born about 1815 in Methlick, Aberdeenshire, but I suspect she also is part of the Winneyfold clan. ANN is my Gt. Gt. Grandmother and she married my Gt. Gt. Grandfather, ROBERT DUGUID in 1832.
I notice your query was 2009, so no doubt you have your tree "finished" by now. But I have a number of the Whitecross family in my tree and I know that there are still Whitecrosses living in the area.
Regards from JENNY in Aberdeen
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Hi I think there was a other son born to Jean Lindsey my Francis Whitecross brother but I can't make the connection
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