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My grandfather Charles Edward Savage was born in Cork in 1895 and was raised in Kinsale. His parents, William and Catherine ( nee Niel ) Savage, l could not trace their families, names etc. l heard that my gandfather had 5 sisters and 2 brothers but one of his brothers Arthur Hugh & Charles came to Australia in the late 1920s . Charles married Maggie Dixon in England ( whereabouts ? ) in 1918. l'm doing my family tree research.
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Please lookup Savages of Kinsdale, Cork.
I'm facing solid brickwalls trying to find Savage family (13 children), please help me
Alison Rawson nee Savage- Australia
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rawry 45,have one Savage,1863,thereabout's,married to a Binsteed.One of my 'name's,probably the record's were destroyed,same seem's probable for mine,tough,but we will keep on looking!
This info was found by a Root'schatter,the place name where found was Doneraile,Cork.
Not much,but a help I hope?
Goggy. ;)
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Hello there
I am looking for any info on Helena Savage, born to John Savage in Kinsale Union 1876, may have been my father Cornelious's mother in Cork Union 1920, died shortly after that 1921/22/23. John Savage lived in Fisher Street Kinsale in 1901 census. may have resided in Berrings Inniscarra in 1920s. Any relevany details regarding Savage in this area and this date much appreciated.
My father died 18 years ago, with only his birth certficate to help me find info. The rest is from what I got from the cert.
Many thanks
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Hi,
Have you checked the birth indexes? As he was born post 1864, it should have been registered. These are available at the Dublin GRO or on film at your local family history centre. (Church of the latter day saints) http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/FHC/frameset_fhc.asp for our nearest.
And I would also suggest searching the 1901 census for Savage households. This is not indexed. 1911 census is also released. These are available at the National Archives in Dublin and on film at your local family history centre. (Church of the latter day saints)
The marriage in England you can get from the GRo there. You may find the reference at freebmd.
Kate
My grandfather Charles Edward Savage was born in Cork in 1895 and was raised in Kinsale. His parents, William and Catherine ( nee Niel ) Savage, l could not trace their families, names etc. l heard that my gandfather had 5 sisters and 2 brothers but one of his brothers Arthur Hugh & Charles came to Australia in the late 1920s . Charles married Maggie Dixon in England ( whereabouts ? ) in 1918. l'm doing my family tree research.
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Hi,
Again, Have you looked for her birth in the indexes? As she was born post 1864, it should have been registered. These are available at the Dublin GRO or on film at your local family history centre. (Church of the latter day saints)
Do you have the family in the 1911 census?
Do you have your father's parents marriage?
Kate
Hello there
I am looking for any info on Helena Savage, born to John Savage in Kinsale Union 1876, may have been my father Cornelious's mother in Cork Union 1920, died shortly after that 1921/22/23. John Savage lived in Fisher Street Kinsale in 1901 census. may have resided in Berrings Inniscarra in 1920s. Any relevany details regarding Savage in this area and this date much appreciated.
My father died 18 years ago, with only his birth certficate to help me find info. The rest is from what I got from the cert.
Many thanks
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Thank you Kated.
I found an old diary written by himself Charles Savage of his family and decendants in his old suitcase in the attic of his old unoccupied farm house since his death more than 50 years ago.
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:) :) :)
You may be interested to know that in the Town & Townlands Book of Ireland (1861), KINSALE is listed, thus:-
The Town & Townland of KINSALE T,
Is in the County of CORK ER
In the Barony of KINSALE
In the Parish of KINSALE & RINGCURRAN
And the Poor Law Union of KINSALE
As for finding your ancestors, you might try getting in touch with the Cork Heritage Centre, who should be able to help you.
Cobh, The Queenstown Story
Cobh Heritage Centre
Cobh
Co. Cork
Ireland.
TEL 353 (21) 4 813591
FAX 353 (21) 4 813595
E-mail info-at-cobhheritage.com
Happy hunting !
:) :)
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BINGO! I think Charles Edward Savage was my Grandfathers younger brother, my Dad Ivan Leo Savage only met his Uncle Charlie once as he had emigrated to Fish Creek Victoria after WW1. Here is a link to some info on My Grandfather Fred Savage and his children. http://royalmunsterfusiliers.net/b4savag.htm If you want to get in contact e-mail this James O'Sullivan who runs this great site and ask to be put in contact with me.
Kind Regards
Graeme John Savage
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My grandfather Charles Edward Savage was born in Cork in 1895 and was raised in Kinsale. His parents, William and Catherine ( nee Niel ) Savage, l could not trace their families, names etc. l heard that my gandfather had 5 sisters and 2 brothers but one of his brothers Arthur Hugh & Charles came to Australia in the late 1920s . Charles married Maggie Dixon in England ( whereabouts ? ) in 1918. l'm doing my family tree research.
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My grandfather Charles Edward Savage was born in Cork in 1895 and was raised in Kinsale. His parents, William and Catherine ( nee Niel ) Savage, l could not trace their families, names etc. l heard that my gandfather had 5 sisters and 2 brothers but one of his brothers Arthur Hugh & Charles came to Australia in the late 1920s . Charles married Maggie Dixon in England ( whereabouts ? ) in 1918. l'm doing my family tree research.
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My grandfather Charles Edward Savage was born in Cork in 1895 and was raised in Kinsale. His parents, William and Catherine ( nee Niel ) Savage, l could not trace their families, names etc. l heard that my gandfather had 5 sisters and 2 brothers but one of his brothers Arthur Hugh & Charles came to Australia in the late 1920s . Charles married Maggie Dixon in England ( whereabouts ? ) in 1918. l'm doing my family tree research.
Finally at last Many thanks Graeme...
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Bingo 2! My great-grandmother was Fred's & Charlie's eldest sister. I don't know how much Graeme has discovered, but I have the following:
James Savage, living 1864, Bandon, Co Cork, miller (later a shopkeeper); m. Jane Sweeny
children:
1. William Lunny S, b. c. 1862, d. 17 Feb 1933, Yorks (see below);
2. Rebecca S, b. 15 Jul 1864, Bandon. m. 25 Apr 1885, Ballymodan parish ch, William Neil/Neill (b. c. 1858, Co Fermanagh). At least 11 children. Living 1911, Friarsgate, Kinsale.
3. Lizzie S? (witness to Rebecca's marriage)
William Lunny Savage m. 8 May 1887, Kinsale par ch, Catherine Neil (b. c. 1865, d. 3 Oct 1930, Yorks), probably sis of William above.
children:
1. Eva Grace Valentine S, b. 14 Feb 1888, Fisher St, Kinsale, d. 10 Aug 1954, France Lynch, Glos. m. 15 Feb 1916, St Peter's par ch, Fulham, London, William Matthews (b. 1892, d. 1963). 4 children.
2. George James S, b. 25 Jul 1889, Shannon St, Bandon
3.
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William Lunny Savage m. Catherine Neil
children:
3. Rebecca, b. 23 Oct 1890, Inishannon, Co Cork. m. 26 Sep 1918, Stainland par ch, Yorks, Robert McMaster (b. c. 1892). 1 son.
4. Frederick William, b. 12 Apr 1893, Inishannon, d. 2 Nov 1958 (Stainland?). m. 1st, 4 Oct 1919, Stainland par ch, Edith Annie Kaye (b. c. 1898, d. 1933). 4 children. Fred m. 2nd, Elizabeth Ellen Taylor.
5. Charles Edward, b. 28 Oct 1895, Pallastown, Co Cork. m. 4 Oct 1919, Stainland par ch (double wedding), Maggie Dixon (b. 1897?). 4 children. To Australia 1923 or '24.
6. Louise Frances, b. 19 May 1897, Irishtown, Co Kildare. m. 30 Oct 1919, Stainland par ch, Stanley Brookes (b. 1898?). 4 children.
7. Charlotte Elizabeth, b. 23 Aug 1903, Grange, Co Cork.
8. Catherine Maud, b. 7 Apr 1912?, d. 1988?. m. Thomas Eastwood.
9. Arthur, b. c. 1913.
William was variously a shop assistant, merchant's clerk & steward, but from the mid-1890's was a painter & decorator. Catherine's maiden name is sometimes given as O'Neill on the birth certs. I do have more on William & Catherine's grandchildren & beyond, but some, I know, are still alive & most I can't be sure about.
I am convinced that the John Savage mentioned by Samanthamsavage is a close relative of James; I don't have the relevant notes to hand, but I think he was also in the milling or shop keeping business, & Eva being b. in Fisher St is maybe more than a coincidence. I think they may have been originally from Co Fermanagh, which may strengthen their link to the Neil family.
Charlie & Maggie's 2nd son was b. Mar qtr 1923 in Halifax registration district, Yorks, but I'm fairly sure both appear on the 1924 Victoria Electoral Roll in Leongatha, Gippsland, hence my guess at their emigration date.
I am indebted to Ivan & Graeme for posting their pics on the Munster Fusiliers website. I recognised Fred immediately - my parents have the same portrait of him in 1917/18, as well as many others of the family.
I hope that's helpful & would welcome any additions/corrections.
Sorry about the glitch.
James
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I am convinced that the John Savage mentioned by Samanthamsavage is a close relative of James; I don't have the relevant notes to hand, but I think he was also in the milling or shop keeping business, & Eva being b. in Fisher St is maybe more than a coincidence. I think they may have been originally from Co Fermanagh, which may strengthen their link to the Neil family.
James
So Eva and my great-grandad were possibly cousins, so we then are possible long-distance cousins! This needs further research, can you and Graeme possibly help me?
Regards
Sam
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Samantha.... yes, we're descendants also distance cousin. I have my family trees in GenesReunited and Tribalpages.
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my grandmother was Lizzie Savage from Kinsale who married Richard Willis,from Kilbronogue Co Cork, her mother was Helena Savage, as far as I know her husband was from the North of Ireland. Both ladies are buried in St. Multose Churchyard Kinsale. Church of Ireland old church there.
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Welcome to Rootschat boobah -
do you have any idea of roughly the year that Lizzie might have married Richard Willis? 1870s, 1880s, 1890s? There is a Lizzie S already mentioned in this thread who seems to have been part of a large family born around the 1860s, 1870s.
If they are the parents of John Richard Savage Willis born in Kinsale in the 3rd quarter of 1904, it might be worth looking for them in the 1901 census and tracking back from there.
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In the National Archives of Ireland, which is free to search:
1911 census:
46 Clare Town, Clareabbey, Clare
Richard Willis age 44.
Lizzie Willis age 35
Frances Willis age 9
John R Willis age 6
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l do not know much about Helena and Lizzie Savage but l have Lizzie that my Great Grandfather William Lunny's sister ? l'm not sure.
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Rawry I am trying to send message to Samanthamsavage who is enquiring re Helena Savage born 1876. She is the daughter of John and Helena Savage. John and Helena her parents are my Great, great, great grandfather and mother, and there is quite a lot of info. on my board re this family at present.Please aske her to enter Boobah`s Heading "Gravestone Kinsale, now 3 pages . It will be of interest to her. Cheers Boobah
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Samantha only has 2 posts- members usually need 3 posts to use PM system. However, she was last online in August and may be getting notifications from thsi thread.
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Thanks Aghadowey, I notice Rawry has mentioned to her re his family line in another geneaology search area, he may be able to pass on message elsewhere, hope its not "ships that pass in the night" that would be such a shame, you have all helped so much.Boobah
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Hello Samantha, please look at Gravestone Kinsale written by me signed Boobah, I have a lot of info. re Helena and John Savage and am trying desperately to contact you.
Cheers Boobah
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Go to Boobah, Kinsale 123 and you will see Gravestone of John Savage who died in Kinsale 1909,my great grandfather, he was buried in Tempo Co. Fermanagh and the Olde Bakery Kinsale was founded by Isaac Savage in 1850. and states that he came from Co.Fermanagh. I am trying to trace the Savage family in Co. Fermanagh, from which we seem to have come from. The Munster Fusiliers sounds interesting as I have a feeling there must be an army connection somewhere. Call it the Celtic instint if you like. The best of luck.
I have a relative living one of the direct Savage line I must contact and will let you know if I find anything else out.
Watch this space.
Booobah
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HI Rawry, my grandmother was Lizzie Savage daughter of John and Helena Savage born 1873 in Bandon Co. Cork. Her maiden name was Lizzie McCabe who grew up in the Bandon area from what I can understand so far. Boobah