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General => Armed Forces => Topic started by: gazza on Sunday 13 March 05 23:43 GMT (UK)
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1901 census lists 95% of people as relationship "inmate".
Were soldiers usually refered to in this way on the census?
Were they military prisoners ? I have my doubts as some of the listee's are wives (unless they're MP's/guards wives).Also there are well over 4000 listed,which seems rather alot of prisoners to me.
Any thoughts anyone?
Thanks
Gazza
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There was certainly a convict station at Shorncliffe camp 1850s ie. 1851 census but I am not sure about 1901. With the number there in 1901, I would think that they were "just" the soldiers and their families listed as an institution rather than individually. Also, I would expect prisoners to be listed as prisoner rather than inmate ???
Best wishes
Casalguidi
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One of my ancestors was born at Shorncliffe Camp in 1876. I always presumed it was an army base because his father was in the military.
Fiona
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How about it being a hospital camp? Could be the wounded from the Boer war.
Pauline
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To my knowledge (and I live locally), Shorncliffe Camp has always been a military base. It is currently occupied by Gurkhas.
Here are a couple of reference points for you
http://www.sandgate-kent.org.uk/shorn1.htm
http://www.juroch.demon.co.uk/folkestone.htm
Also if you search for Shorncliffe in http://www.regiments.org/ there will be all sorts of references to the various regiments who have been stationed there.
Cheers, Stephanie.
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Thanks for your thoughts so far.
The person I am interested in on the list gives birth place as London!
I imagine some military records will lie somewhere for individuals on this census?? ???
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Yes, Gazza
A good place to start is the National Archives at Kew who hold the army records. See, amongst others, the following information leaflet:
http://www.catalogue.nationalarchives.gov.uk/RdLeaflet.asp?sLeafletID=14
If it's too common a name (as it was on my last visit searching army records for an ancestor), you might need to get a more precise date/place of birth before embarking on a search. I assume you have the regiment from the census ??? The appropriate regimental museum may also have some information as to which section was stationed there if it is something with lots of possibilities like the Royal Artillery.
Best wishes
Casalguidi
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I think I have found out now. I beleive it was a camp which would have held many different regiments. Probably an embarkation point. I will explain how in a new thread. Thanks for all your help on this one.
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My father was at Shorncliffe (or Shorecliffe as he pronounced it) around 1955/6. This was after his spell in Egypt just before he finished his National Service.
helen :)
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Shorecliffe as he pronounced it
It's definitely pronounced with the "N" helen!
Best wishes
Casalguidi
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hlbrad,
would your brother be eligible for the Suez medal?
Cheers,Goggy
SCZV.
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Passion Play,
off topic!Ref;the ref to Zeppelin+Cork.Could you explain that please,part of my familt tale contains a ref to Zepps;overhead,but location isnt clear.I have looked, but not found an Irish report.
Interested,Goggy.
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Hi goggy,
Sorry but you have completely lost me there - unless you have misread my avatar? It says www.led-by-zeppelin.co.uk and is the site of a Led Zeppelin tribute band so has nothing to do with airships or Ireland ;D
Sorry I cannot be of help.
Cheers, Stephanie
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would your brother be eligible for the Suez medal?
Hi Goggy
No idea ! I assume not - I'm sure he would have mentioned it otherwise. Although who is this brother of mine ??? Is it something else he should have mentioned :o ;D
Coincidentally, I have photo of Dad and his cousin playing on top of the air-raid shelter (where they used to grow tomatoes) with what looks like a barrage balloon in the background - fraid this was Hackney tho'...
Helen
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PASSION PLAY,
sorry,did i get it wrong,again,?Idont think of age,mention of Egypt rolled the years back!
Anyone that was there 1952-56 is eligible for a Gong.
Funny you should mention the air raid shelter garden,and barrage balloons,that takes me even further back!!
Cheers, Goggy
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My Great Grandfather was based at Shorncliffe shortly before shipping off to India with the dragoon guards. So I think it was a camp used for regiments coming in and out of the country.
It was originally establised to hold forces protecting the south coast from a French invasion during the Napoleonic Wars.
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I've noticed when going through the 1901 census pages for the camp that the birthplaces are similar for large groups of names. For example there are loads together born in Ireland. This must have been an Irish regiment I would think. Another load born in London & so on.......
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Hi to all
There was a Military Hospital at Shorncliffe in WW2, as my great uncle, who had served in the Boer War and WW1 and was a medical doctor, was the CO of that hospital from the outbreak of war in 1939 till the end of the war, he was 58 in 39 and came out of retirement when the war broke out, and was given that job after 28 years as an army doctor till his earlier retirement a few years before the war started.
How about it being a hospital camp? Could be the wounded from the Boer war.
Pauline
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I had a Cousin Isaac Appleyard b1822, who was serving his sentence of 7 years for stealing boots {3rd offence} in Millbank Prison, London.
He was convicted at Leeds Sessions in 1848 & sent to Millbank Prison & then he was sent to Shorncliffe Convict Station on 26th Feb 1850 as a result of Cholera epidemic in London,
So he is on the 1851 Census along with a lot of names of other convicts
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If you don't mind me asking what regiment was your father in at shornecliffe? My mums father was there doing his national service around 1956 but she doesn't know anything else about his apart from his name.
My father was at Shorncliffe (or Shorecliffe as he pronounced it) around 1955/6. This was after his spell in Egypt just before he finished his National Service.
helen :)