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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Topic started by: Kiwiham on Saturday 26 December 09 21:58 GMT (UK)
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Ancestor of mine has, as the only piece of information I have, the place name where he came from, which is March-field or Marchfield. Tried to find this with Google but found no reference. However, I suspect the name may have changed over the years or possibly it is not a place name but a parish or similar?
Has anyone ever heard of March-field?
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Hi
as the only piece of information I have, the place name where he came from
You also have his name and presumably some idea of when he was born
If you can post the info - we may be able to find the answer for you
There is/was a Marchfield in Gloucestershire and one in Cheshire
There is/was a Marshfield in Gloucester
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There is a Marshfield in South Gloucestershire and also one near Newport. Marshfield Bridge and Marshfield Bank are in Cheshire. Don't know of any Marchfield in England or Wales.
Marchfield is a fairly common road, street etc name in Scotland.
Nigel
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Hi
as the only piece of information I have, the place name where he came from
You also have his name and presumably some idea of when he was born
If you can post the info - we may be able to find the answer for you
There is/was a Marchfield in Gloucestershire and one in Cheshire
There is/was a Marshfield in Gloucester
No, I am afraid I don't. The reference came about through some notes I found on his daughter. She died in New Zealand but I do not know where she was born (although I know when, 1855). Her father was described as "Mr. Jeffries from March-field". Because of the settlement pattern in N.Z. I assume her father came from the England but even that is just a guess. I suspect he would have been born about 1835. I really need some where to start and first thing I need is where to look and for that I need to know where March-field is.
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There are;
MARCHFIELD SPA MIDLOTHIAN a mineral spring
MARKFIELD LEICESTERSHIRE a village and a parish
MARSHFIELD MONMOUTHSHIRE parish and village with railway station
MARSHFIELD GLOUCESTERSHIRE market town and parish
MARSHFIELD LANCASHIRE an extra-parochial tract
MARSHFIELD GLOUCESTERSHIRE a small town, a parish, and a subdistrict
MARSHFIELD MONMOUTHSHIRE a village and a parish
WOKINGHAM BERKSHIRE Marchfield House, of Mrs. Laws. Both the head living and that of St. Paul are rectories in the diocese of Oxford
www.visionofbritain.org.uk
Stan
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No, I am afraid I don't. The reference came about through some notes I found on his daughter. She died in New Zealand but I do not know where she was born (although I know when, 1855). Her father was described as "Mr. Jeffries from March-field". Because of the settlement pattern in N.Z. I assume her father came from the England but even that is just a guess. I suspect he would have been born about 1835. I really need some where to start and first thing I need is where to look and for that I need to know where March-field is.
Can you provide us with the name of the daughter? Did she have any brothers/sisters? If so, whom? Did she marry in England? If so, do you know where and when?
With some further information we may be able to work out the relevant place.
Nigel
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Her father was described as "Mr. Jeffries from March-field"
So we at least have his surname!
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Her name was Esther Baker (nee Jeffries). There are no siblings.
I have ordered the marriage certificate. That may show the parents name(s). It will take about two weeks to arrive so I had better put this on hold for now.
Thanks for all your help.
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There are no Esther Jeffries in the GRO birth index for 1855. Is this perhaps the correct birth entry for Esther?
JEFFRIES Esther Maria Birmingham 6d 200 Mar 1854 qtr
If you can tell us more about Esther (ie where and when she married and/or, for example, whether she had any other names) we may be able to work back and provide an answer. You must have, at least, some of this information to order the marriage certificate.
There are, of course, several possible alternative spellings for JEFFRIES which we may need to consider.
Nigel
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There is an Esther Jeffries, aged 4 on the 1861 in Dymock Ryland, Gloucestershire. Father was a James, ag lab, aged 36, widower:
RG9/1761/50/30
Esther b. Bromsberrow
Gadget
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There are no Esther Jeffries in the GRO birth index for 1855. Is this perhaps the correct birth entry for Esther?
JEFFRIES Esther Maria Birmingham 6d 200 Mar 1854 qtr
If you can tell us more about Esther (ie where and when she married and/or, for example, whether she had any other names) we may be able to work back and provide an answer. You must have, at least, some of this information to order the marriage certificate.
There are, of course, several possible alternative spellings for JEFFRIES which we may need to consider.
Nigel
I do not think that is her. Doesn't the 6d indicate 6 days old? Anyhow, I do not believe she had more than one given name.
The marriage is recorded here on the Births, Deaths and marriages index. Just what is on the certificate is unknown but N.Z. certificates give more information than English ones. The marriage is one of the two absolutes I have. The other is a monument inscription on her grave. For some unknown reason, BDM here does not have a record of her death. I think there may be a name problem there (with the information given at the time of death). However, she was buried as Esther Baker which shows she did not re-marry (and so did not change her name).
I expect the certificate will clear this up.
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There is an Esther Jeffries, aged 4 on the 1861 in Dymock Ryland, Gloucestershire. Father was a James, ag lab, aged 36, widower:
RG9/1761/50/30
Esther b. Bromsberrow
Gadget
Yes, thank you. I suspect that is the right one. Maybe.
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Hi
When you receive her marriage cert - please use this same thread to post the full details from the certificate and we will (hopefully) be able to find her for you
There is also this 1861 entry to bear in mind
Little End Marshfield Gloucestershire - all b Marshfield
John Jefferies 47 agricultural labourer
Caroline 45
John 16
Caroline 7
Hester 5
RG9 Piece 1744 Folio 111 Page 25
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"I do not think that is her. Doesn't the 6d indicate 6 days old? Anyhow, I do not believe she had more than one given name".
The 6d does not indicate her age. It is the GRO volume number for ordering the birth certificate.
The reason for mentioning the reference is that there are no other births for an Esther Jeffries anywhere in England or Wales for 1855 (although there may be other names such as Hester Jefferies that are phonetically similar).
Nigel
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If you vary the spelling of surname/forename it might be possible to find a registration.
Marshfield is in the Chipping Sodbury Registration District. So far I've not found one but FreeBMD is available for Kiwiham to search for free.
Gadget
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Marshfield is in the Chipping Sodbury Registration District. So far I've not found one but FreeBMD is available for Kiwiham to search for free.
However, at present we don't know whether the Marshfield in Gloucestershire is relevant (rather than a place, street name etc Marchfield or Marshfield elsewhere).
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However:
Hester Jefferis (which fits with Carole's find on the 1861- Reply #12*) :
Sept q, 1855, Chipping Sodbury, vol 6a p 135
Gadget
* did you miss this posting, Nigel?
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No. I had seen the GRO entry (and also some other possibilities based on phonetics) but since we have no idea as to the relevant Marchfield or Marshfield at present based on the information provided by Kiwiham I did not post the information.
Nigel
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Hi
When you receive her marriage cert - please use this same thread to post the full details from the certificate and we will (hopefully) be able to find her for you
There is also this 1861 entry to bear in mind
Little End Marshfield Gloucestershire - all b Marshfield
John Jefferies 47 agricultural labourer
Caroline 45
John 16
Caroline 7
Hester 5
RG9 Piece 1744 Folio 111 Page 25
Hi Nigel
This was the posting that I was referring to - here we have a Hester Jefferies of roughly the correct age living in Marshfield. It may be sheer co-incidence but I don't think so. Well done Carole :)
Gadget
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Hi Gadget,
Yes, I had seen Carole's post and the GRO reference probably does correspond to the Census entry. However, based on the information posted by Kiwiham (the initiator of this thread) we don't know at present whether Marshfield in Gloucestershire (rather than somewhere else) is relevant to the person concerned. Hence, the reason for asking for details from the marriage certificate before coming to any conclusions.
Nigel
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More checking of course - but it's the only Esther/Hester Jefferies (alts) who has been found born and living Marshfield in the 1861 census so it has to be seen as the best find so far.
It might be worth checking whether this Hester/Esther disappears :)
Gadget
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Interesting ~
On the 1871 the John Jefferies that Carole found is still in Marshfield, Gloucester - John Jefferis, snr, farmer of 6 acres - RG10.2579/45/14
Hester is down as Esther Jeffrey, b. Marshfield, Gloucester, a servant, aged 15, living in Batheaston - RG10/2498/42/5
Added - So far I don't see an Esther or a Hester b. Marshfield circa 1855 on the 1881 but John Jefferies is still in Marshfield - now a General Labourer!
Gadget
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Hi Gadget,
That would fit with Esther Jeffries marrying a William Baker in New Zealand in 1877 (Reg. No. 1877/1646).
Nigel
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Well, I received the marriage certificate copy. Unfortunately, although it helped with my research (I found out William had been previously married) it didn't help much with this inquiry. I also took the opportunity to look at the "Intention to marry" notice.
What I had been hoping for was that Esther would have been under the age of 21 which would have required the consent of her father. She was 22 which meant the name of the father was not recorded. She had been resident in the district for 16 months prior to Sep. 1877.
So I take it the consensus is that she was born in Marshfield, Gloucester. Is that right?
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So I take it the consensus is that she was born in Marshfield, Gloucester. Is that right?
It all seems to fit given that the one we found was b. 1855 (Reg Chipping Sodbury, Sept q 1855)
Gadget
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Well, many thanks everyone. That will help.
I will now look for the family using the usual methods.
Again, thanks.
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Have a HESTER Jefferies baptised at Marshfield Gloucestershire on 29/07/1855 to parents John & Caroline.
Could this be yours?
Have transcribed much of Marshfield, and so if you need any other names from the area, just contact me.
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Oh dear, I'm really getting a bit concerned about postings on threads that are old :-\
I'm sure it's a good idea and it does help but I've forgotten what it was all about after so long :-\
Am I getting long in the tooth ;D
Gadget