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Research in Other Countries => Canada => Topic started by: davygfuchsia on Thursday 24 December 09 19:02 GMT (UK)
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Hi
I am trying to find details on an Irene Hillman .b.1902 in Stafford England .
I believe she arrived in St .John.. New Brunswick on 19 April 1926, onboard a Canadian Pacific ship named 'Metagama'.
As far as I know she had no other family members with her .
Any help and advice on tracing her would be appreciated .
Regards
George
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Hello George
Irene actually gives her age as 19 on the Metagama passenger list, giving a likely birthdate closer to 1907 than 1902. As you say, she was from Stafford and gave details of her nearest relative at home as being Mr J Hillman, brother, of 86 North St, Stafford.
Anna :)
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This birth, therefore, looks likely:
Sep qtr 1906
Irene Nancy HILLMAN
Stafford 6b 18
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You should be able to find Irene with her family in the 1911 census, available on a pay basis only from www.findmypast.co.uk.
Anna :)
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NB I am assuming that what you are wanting to do is trace Irene before she went to Canada, rather than her life after she got there - is that correct?
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Hi Anna
Thankyou for your swift reply
My mistake,
Irene was Baptised 16 Aug 1906 (parish records) J. Hillman would have been her brother John, her father was Joseph but had died by that date .
I am trying to find about her life in Canada (is that possible?)
George
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This marriage looks promising:
19 June 1929
St Marc's Anglican Church, Longueuil, Quebec
Wallace SPENCER, bachelor, full age, son of Charles William SPENCER and his wife Mary Ann "both of this city"
to
Irene Nancy HILLMAN, spinster, full age, daughter of Joseph HILLMAN and his wife Lillian
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Looking promising indeed
However Joseph was married twice, fist wife Anne then Irene's mother Dorothy not sure where Lillan comes from .She did have a sister Lillian who I believe brought the younger children up as Dorothy and Joseph died while Irene was young ,maybe this is where this came about ?
George
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Looking promising indeed
However Joseph was married twice, fist wife Anne then Irene's mother Dorothy not sure where Lillan comes from .She did have a sister Lillian who I believe brought the younger children up as Dorothy and Joseph died while Irene was young ,maybe this is where this came about ?
George
Quite possibly - perhaps because "Mother" had died when she was very young she never knew what her given name had been.
I should, however, say that the record is very faint in parts and it's actually more like "...daughter of Joseph Hillman and...[illegible words] Lillian."
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Hi Anna
Thankyou so much for your help ..
Take care and a Happy Christmas to you and your family ..
George
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I should, however, say that the record is very faint in parts and it's actually more like "...daughter of Joseph Hillman and...[illegible words] Lillian."
The faint words likely say "and of his wife" which is pretty standard for how they wrote the names of the parents in the parish records from what I've seen.
davygfuchsia, if you think that is your Irene (and the explanation that she didn't know her mother's name is certainly plausible), I found the births for two children for the couple as well. Since there is a possibility that they are still alive I'll send you the names in a PM but I'll list the entries here by their initials:
Longueuil (Anglican, Saint Mark)
M.I. Spencer was baptised on 8 Jun 1930, born 16 Feb 1930
M.C. Spenser was baptised on 19 Jan 1941, born 31 Oct 1940
That's a big gap between births but I didn't see any others for them.
Jacquie
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Hi Jacquie,
Thankyou for those births, brings me a little closer ...
Happy Christmas
Take care
George
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Hello,
just found your inquiry.
Irene Nancy Hillman was baptised in Stafford 16.8.1906. [A younger sister of my grandmother]
Father was a Joseph Hillman b 1849 a baker/grocer of Stafford around the Doxey area.
Mother was Dorothy Pickstock b 1867 in Ashbourne. m1890 in Cannock.
This was Joseph Hillmans second marriage.
Lots of children from both.
Would love to hear your connection to my great aunt Irene.
was aware she had gone to Canada as was informed by family.
regards,
Mel Cartwright
UK
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Hi Mel ..
Thank you for your message .I have been working on my family tree for many years now ,but not done much for a while and I am a bit rusty with all the names .
Irene is my Great Grand Aunt ...Might you be related via Henry Cartwright? who married Dolly Hillman ?
George
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Hello George,
Henry better known as Harry and Dolly are my grandparents.
it was nice to get some information on Irene and her move to Canada.
Have been looking into my 'family' for a few months now.
I really wanted to trace the Cartwright side but have had very little joy.
The Hillman/ Pickstock/ Booth side has been a lot easier even with all the children!!
Which of the Hillmans are you descended from, if you don't mind me asking?
Are you still resident in Stafford?
I left Stafford mid 70's and now live in Bridlington, East Yorkshire.
Hope to hear more from you.
Cheers,
Mel Cartwright
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Hi Mel .. I tried sending you a private message but your inbox is full ..I was going to send my email ..
Here is my line
Hi Mel,
My line is
JosephHillman 1849/1912 married to Harriet Jane Finney
George Hillman 1871/1949 married to Emma Nicklin
George Hillman1901/1971 married to Doris Mary Harvey ( he did marry again twice but Doris was mother to all his children)
George Joseph Hillman 1927/1995 married Doris Mary Hillman (my mother and father)
George David Hillman (this is me and I'm known as Dave )
I left Stafford about 30 years ago and live near Northampton .
I have two brothers and a son who live in Stafford so we still visit regular..
Dave
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Hello Dave and Mel.
According to RootsChat regulations, Mel needs to make one more post before being able to access the Private Message system. Then you sshould be able to communicate by PM and exchange emails.
PB
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Hi
Did you manage to trace the Richard Hillman who married Margaret Shaw who married May 1786 in Stafford?
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Hi chrishil1,
I haven't done a great deal of research on the Hillman side of the family.
My research has been mainly on the Cartwright side.
A quick look finds:-
Richard married Margaret 1st May 1786 Stafford
Children:-
James Hillman
Christening Date 03 Dec 1786
Christening Place SAINT MARY,STAFFORD,STAFFORD,ENGLAND
Birth Date 27 Nov 1786
John Hillman
Christening Date 18 Mar 1792
Christening Place SAINT MARY,STAFFORD,STAFFORD,ENGLAND
Thomas Hillman
Christening Date 21 Oct 1798
Christening Place SAINT MARY,STAFFORD,STAFFORD,ENGLAND
Birth Date 15 Oct 1798
Mary Hillman
Christening Date 11 Apr 1802
Christening Place SAINT MARY,STAFFORD,STAFFORD,ENGLAND
Birth Date 31 Mar 1802
But you probably know that.
How/Where do you fit into the Hillman puzzle?
I wonder if George [Dave] might have done research here?
Nice to hear from you,
Mel Cartwright
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Hi chrishil1,
I see from another post you have been in contact with Dave.
Thanks for posting the Hillman 'Tree'.
It has managed to put into place some of the names I have kept coming across but not been able to associate with each other.
Many thanks,
Mel
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Yes - am in contact with Dave.
As for where I fit in on what I think is your tree...I don't at the moment, unless I can link in a certain Richard Hillman born around 1590, which has so far proved impossible. No question that he does because the families come from the same small villages a few miles apart. If I could link in, then I'd get my tree back to Thomas Hylman who died in 1535 (and who is, I think, the earliest person in your tree).