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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Dublin => Topic started by: deevla on Wednesday 23 December 09 19:39 GMT (UK)
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Can anyone confirm for me if there was a Moreland
street place off Talbot street in 1903, I have searched but cannot find anything myself.
Regards
Deevla
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The certificate says Moreland Cottages not Moreland street :-\
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Moreland Place?
Dara.
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Posted in a hurry earlier- 1st address (groom) Moreland Cottages, 2nd address (bride) 5 Moreland Place.
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Thoms 1922 gives Morland Place off Talbot S ... in 1922 nos 4-6 were demolished. it was between Mabbot St and Gardiner st.
looking at the current Dublin Map, I think it's off the South side of the St - perhaps where Moland Place is now.
eadaoin
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Apologies for my earlier post which was hurried.
I had a look on Shanes 1904 index at http://roots.swilson.info/1904page5.html and there's no mention of Moreland Place.
From the location given in Eadaoin's post it seems to be the street running from Mecklinburgh Street Lower (now Railway Place) to Frenchmans Lane on the 1885 map at http://roots.swilson.info/dublin1885/Dublin1885.html
On Google Maps http://maps.google.com/, as Eadaoin says, Moland Pl. (note spelling) is on the south side of Talbot St and if you look at the OSI map http://ims0.osiemaps.ie/website/publicviewer/main.aspx#V1,716264,734911,8
the north side is now called Mabbott Lane. Unfortunately the area seems to be re-developed.
Mapreading is not one of my better skills and more experienced RootsChatters might be more helpful.
Dara.
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The street is referred to as Moland Place in 1904, 1894, 1884 etc - however between 1914 and the 1960s the same street is listed as Morland place. It's listed as Moland Place (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/North_Dock/Moland_Place/) on the 1911 census. Maybe people pronounced the address with the 'r', and for a time the official name changed to match this ? The current name of the street is Moland Place -
following on from the location details that Dara gave .. I found Moland Place off Talbot Street marked on a c1850 map, that I dont have a scan of at that map at the moment. I've marked the location on the 1885 map - see extract below.
Shane
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Thanks so much to everyone for your information, it has really helped a lot. Unfortunatley my family had moved by 1911 census so time for me to check out the 1901.
Regards
Deevla
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i expect this topic has been exhausted but my family lived in Morland Cottages in 1901 they lived at 3.1 and the surname was Costello i have followed their move from there and they stayed in the same local area but don't know how to get earlier info all help appreciated cheers Sushi08
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i expect this topic has been exhausted but my family lived in Morland Cottages in 1901 they lived at 3.1 and the surname was Costello i have followed their move from there and they stayed in the same local area but don't know how to get earlier info all help appreciated cheers Sushi08
Hi Sushi and welcome to Rootschat. Best way to get a response is to start your own topic and hope for the best.
Dara.
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What I have found is that if the parties giving the information signed with an X (in this case bride and groom) then the person recording the information often wrote phonetically which gives rise to various spellings of names, locations etc.
Also the GRO are very helpful if you contact stating you have just received a certificate that you find difficult to read or an address you can't place.
for a bit of history on the area (use find and Moland to go straight to the relevant piece) http://www.chaptersofdublin.com/books/NorthDub/cosgrave10.html
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thank you that was a lovely piece of history and i intend to include that in the portfolio for my family that have no idea of there origins
getting back to my original question any ideas to trace on line relatives before 1901 census
i am aware a trip to Dublin to check all or any records is a must do but would prefer to try via the internet many thanks
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Is this your Costello family - 3 Morland Cottages (http://census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/North_Dock/Morland_Cottages/1276493/) ?
what information do you already have, and are you looking for ?
e.g. birth certs for one of the children (to show Frances' maiden name) , marriage cert etc ?
Shane
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here's the family in 1911 (Frances listed as Fanny) :
105 Foley St (http://census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/North_Dock/Foley_St_/31459/)
Married 26 years - so c1885
Shane
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Hi shane yes thats them France married joseph Dalton from Armeins st and they were my grandparents young Frances went on from Foley street to corporation building a very notorious place for over crowding
but my grandmother had a stall in O connel street / moore street during her life time many thanks for quick reply
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hi Shane sorry just seen your 1st post OK i have everything going forward from 1901 but in reverse order nothing before that date another interesting fact is Lizzie Costello who at 16 could not read or write was not working but aged 26 in 1911 she is listed as a Shorma Woman now i find this intriguing as i have had a couple of different explanation's of what a Shorma Woman is all help appreciated also if you can point me in direction of pre 1901 that would be a bonus or what sites to look at cheers
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usually the place to start is to locate a birth cert for one of the children to establish the mother's maiden name. I had a quick look at the BMD index but as far as I can see there a number of possible matches for each of the children - so nothing certain yet. You could have to order a few certs to make sure you ended up with the right one.
Once you find a correct birth cert the next step is to search for a marriage. Sometimes this is possible using just the husbands name and the wife's first name and checking to matching index references - but again this did not show up a cross match due to the number of possible matches. I'll have another search tomorrow.
The other option is the (free) parish records on www.irishgenealogy.ie (more RC records are due to be added later this year)
see : Introduction to Irish Records (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,442233.0.html)
Shane