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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: millie09 on Tuesday 22 December 09 13:26 GMT (UK)
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Hi I am looking for any information about an ancestor who was transported to Australia for 10 yrs.
he was born in potton Bedfordshire uk in about 1826,he died in Ballarat Victoria Australia in 1878,he married Johanna Gorman in1860,she was born in1829 and died in1893.
the court case was it Bedford assizes in 1844 he was found guilty of stealing fowls and potatoes. Has anyone got any family connections
Thomas was a son of my Grt.paternal grandparents.
regards
Millie
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Hi Millie
Welcome to Rootschat , are you just looking for living rellies, or did you need more info on the family, :) :) :) :) :)
Daizi ;D
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Hi millie,
Thomas Emery's name does not appear on the register of burials at Ballarat Cemetery in 1878.
There are other Emery's at the cemeteries of Ballarat, but not Thomas, nor any other Emery, dying in 1878.
There are also Gorman's at the cemeteries including a Johanna, but she is of a different age group to yours.
Perhaps you have his death certificate and already know his burial place :)
Sue
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Hi Sue,
Thanks for your reply,Thomas Emery was the son of my 2x Grt.paternal grandparents,he was born in Potton Bedfordshire Uk in 1826 and died in 1878 i haven't any proof of this date and as yet I am searching on ancestry, he was sentenced on 2nd July 1844 at the Bedfordshire assizes
and was sentenced to transportation for 10yrs for stealing chickens and potatoes.
He was transported on Pestonjee Bomanjee and was sent to Van Dieman's Land .married Johanna Gorman,I dont at the moment have any details on her except that she died in Ballarat Victoria in 1878.
Any further information would help in the search of my family,i seem to have as many relatives in Australia as I had here
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A search of this site will show his arrivalas a convict and his departure after his sentence to the mainland state of Victoria possibly in the Gold rush to Ballarat..
I would suggest his marriage to JOHANNA may have been in Victoria.
http://www.archives.tas.gov.au/database
Again, I am not sure whether you already have these particulars. :)
Sue
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he was born in potton Bedfordshire uk in about 1826,he died in Ballarat Victoria Australia in 1878,he married Johanna Gorman in1860,she was born in1829 and died in1893. MILLIE
except that she died in Ballarat Victoria in 1878.MILLIE
Could you clarify the couples' death dates please.
Confusing
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Hi
Thomas Emery died 1878 age 55 born bedf, parents Isaac and Elizabeth, dosnt say WHERE.... but his death cert would have these details, reg # 8059
Daizi
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Cant see a marriage for them in Vic, there is a Johanna GORMAN marrying a James CORBETT in 1860 ? ?
Daizi
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Looks like your family: http://www.netspeed.com.au/dryandra1/pvmiles%20html/fam/fam02558.html
From a general search, it looks like your Johanna will be of Irish origin.
Jamjar
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Tasmainian convct lists
http://www.archives.tas.gov.au/nameindexes
Thomas EMERY who had arrived on the Pestongee Bomangee left Launceston (Tasmania) for Melbourne 28 Jan 1854, aboard the ship Lady Bird. His status was 'conditional pardon", Ref POL220/1/3 p445. He is not listed as having asked for permmission to marry which would indicate (plus the date of marriage you gave) that he did not marry in Tasmania.
Cheers, Judith
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HI judith,
Thanks for expanding on the information I gave Millie in #4.
As I said then, I am unsure whether she has this early information or not.
Hopefully she will be back to us soon.
Sue
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THOMAS EMERY left a Wil when he died in 1878.
It is digitised for reading
He leaves his farm and assets at Clarendon to Johanna and makes provision for his 6 or 7 children.
He was not able to write and signs with a carefully witnessed cross.
Interesting reading :)
Sue
http://proarchives.imagineering.com.au/Index_search.asp?searchid=54
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In his Will, Thomas refers more than once to his eldest child MARY.
She does not appear on the list of offspring on the family tree reply #7, and must have been born before 1860 as this is the birthdate given for his first listed child JOHN.
Sue
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In Vic pioneers, can see birth of 5 kids,
John 1860, Johanna 1863, Susan 1865, Isaac 1867 and Thomas in 1874
Bit of a gap in btw 1867 and 1874 maybe Mary fits in there ?
Daizi
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Hi Daizi,
He clearly says when he writes in Dec. 1876
"... equal divide between the six younger children and the oldest child Mary..." To be left out by my request
Not my eldest daughter
So that is an interesting one :D
Sue
EDIT to show exclusion of the Mary from the Will
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I havnt seen the WILL
But it does sound weird....
Daizi :-X
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Hi,
I have edited my post to show that his will appears to state that MARY is excluded.
Apologies for tangled postings :D
Sue
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Yes he says it twice. Disowned, or not of he and his wife, maybe. :'(
Jamjar
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Hi Millie
Thomas Emery was my G-G grandfather.He did marry Johanna Gorman .One of their daughters, another Johanna, married a William James Tait whom I believe was the son of the John Tate(original spelling) transported to Australia on the "Eden" in 1848 for stealing woollen cloth in 1847 and his wife Catherine Mahony an Irish Famine orphan sent to Australia aged only 15 in 1849.The daughter of William James Tait and Johanna Emery was my grandmother Veronica Tait (1900-1979).According my research Thomas was sent to Van Diemen's Land (Tasmania ) and was pardoned in 1852-53. In the 1847 Tasmanian Convict Muster he is said to be working at a Mr. Mansfield's at Glenorchy which is now a suburb of Hobart. I would bw interested in any information on Thomas' English family.
Regards Paul
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Hi Paul and Millie,
sorry not to sure how this site works
I have come across your posting on roots chat whilst trying to look up info on Thomas Emery son of Isaac Emery and Elizabeth croot he was born in potton in 1827. I am the great great granddaughter of Thomas's older brother James Emery 1824.
would love to hear from an emery that is alive
where do you both fit it to the emery intangled web.
Kind regards Jane
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Hi millie,
I can't send you a message back through personnal messages, it just states that i am unable to access this option.
my email address is (*)
Jane
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Hi Jane,
As soon as the modorators see you email address they will remove it to stop spam.
If you post once more on this site you will be able to send a PM via the site. They ask you to post 3 times to also stop spam.
Just click on the little green scroll under the persons name you want to PM.
Cheers Ted
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Thanks Ted
regards Jane
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You can PM now!
Told you it wouldnt take long to loose that email address ;D
Good luck with your Relies ;)
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With regard to leaving Mary out of the will it may be that she had already had money/property given her. It is more usual under those circumstances to state the reason for a child not inheriting, however this would be a 'nice' reason for the other children inheriting. ;D
Judith
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Hi Paul,
Thomas's parents were my 2x maternal great grandparents Isaac was born in abt.1798 in Potton Bedfordshire UK,he was an Agricultural Labourer as were most of the family, and Elizabeth b.abt.1800 inGamblingay Cambridgeshire,they had 10 children of which Thomas b.1822/27 was the eldest,he wa transported to Australiafor 10 years in 1844 aged17 for stealing fowls and potatoes.hisyounger brother James was also at regular intervals a guest of the realm ranging from stealing to assault,he was sentenced on one to 5yrs.imprisonment for what was a particularly nasty attack on his third wife,lucky not to have been transported dont you think,the next brother William b.abt.1827 can also be found to be in Australia but as yet haven't managed to find out much about him the state of Victoria are a bit mean with the sccess to their files,the interesting fact about these two brothers is that they both died in Ballarat NSW in 1878,possibly some sort of accident,as for the rest of the children I am slowly working my way through them with not a lot of joy as yet.
Regards Millie
I have a fair amount of information on the Emery family I have traced them back to1548 with the bare bones but not a lot of meat as yet
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Hi Paul
I can send more info if you let me have your e-mail address
Millie
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Hi Paul,
your gg grand father was thomas Emery? my gg grand father was James emery, thomas's older brother.
hope to speak soon
jane Hi Millie
Thomas Emery was my G-G grandfather.He did marry Johanna Gorman .One of their daughters, another Johanna, married a William James Tait whom I believe was the son of the John Tate(original spelling) transported to Australia on the "Eden" in 1848 for stealing woollen cloth in 1847 and his wife Catherine Mahony an Irish Famine orphan sent to Australia aged only 15 in 1849.The daughter of William James Tait and Johanna Emery was my grandmother Veronica Tait (1900-1979).According my research Thomas was sent to Van Diemen's Land (Tasmania ) and was pardoned in 1852-53. In the 1847 Tasmanian Convict Muster he is said to be working at a Mr. Mansfield's at Glenorchy which is now a suburb of Hobart. I would bw interested in any information on Thomas' English family.
Regards Paul
Hi Paul,
your gg grand father was thomas Emery? my gg grand father was James emery, thomas's older brother.
hope to speak soon
Jane
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Hi there,
I have mentioned Thomas Emery on the following thread, it seems he had a brother James Emery.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,449275.0.html
Cheers, JM
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Hi Paul
I can send more info if you let me have your e-mail address
Millie
Dear Millie,
My address is (*) although I believe that this is hard to send via this service. My address is on ancestry .com if you look for the Emery Family Tree
Regards Paul
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Dear Millie
I am the great granddaughter of Susan Emery, Thomas's and Johanna Gorman's daughter. I would like to hear more about the Emery clan in the UK.
It appears the Emery's were farm labourers and Thomas was trying to help his large family as the eldest, by stealing some poultry and potatoes. He paid dearly for that by transportation. However it appears that he owned a property at his death, on good farmland in Victoria Australia, something he would never have had in the UK. Another relative did some research that showed that all of his children were Catholics because Johanna was a Catholic and this was her stipulation upon marriage. A few of the siblings left Clarendon and went out to Gippsland, the other side of Victoria, where they also farmed.
Hi Paul,
Thomas's parents were my 2x maternal great grandparents Isaac was born in abt.1798 in Potton Bedfordshire UK,he was an Agricultural Labourer as were most of the family, and Elizabeth b.abt.1800 inGamblingay Cambridgeshire,they had 10 children of which Thomas b.1822/27 was the eldest,he wa transported to Australiafor 10 years in 1844 aged17 for stealing fowls and potatoes.hisyounger brother James was also at regular intervals a guest of the realm ranging from stealing to assault,he was sentenced on one to 5yrs.imprisonment for what was a particularly nasty attack on his third wife,lucky not to have been transported dont you think,the next brother William b.abt.1827 can also be found to be in Australia but as yet haven't managed to find out much about him the state of Victoria are a bit mean with the sccess to their files,the interesting fact about these two brothers is that they both died in Ballarat NSW in 1878,possibly some sort of accident,as for the rest of the children I am slowly working my way through them with not a lot of joy as yet.
Regards Millie
I have a fair amount of information on the Emery family I have traced them back to1548 with the bare bones but not a lot of meat as yet
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PROV has a digitised Will for Thomas EMERY, died 13 August 1878, farmer, of Clarendon, Victoria
He leaves all to his wife, Johanna, for her lifetime, while she remains single and until the youngest child comes of age. Then his estate is to be divided among his youngest six children. He specifically states that his oldest child, Mary, is to be left out of the division of the estate but that 25pounds is in a bank for her. Eldest son John is to be manager for his mother - "so long as he conducts himself in a proper way to the satisfaction of his mother". The will is dated
There is an inventory also.
PROV wills sometimes take a while to download - patience is needed!
http://www.prov.vic.gov.au/indexes/Index_search.asp?searchid=54
Clarendon is about 10km out of Ballarat. I could not see a will for William.
Judith
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Dear Judith
Thanks so much for finding that will from the PROV. It is amazing what material is out there.
Yours sincerely,
Karen
PROV has a digitised Will for Thomas EMERY, died 13 August 1878, farmer, of Clarendon, Victoria
He leaves all to his wife, Johanna, for her lifetime, while she remains single and until the youngest child comes of age. Then his estate is to be divided among his youngest six children. He specifically states that his oldest child, Mary, is to be left out of the division of the estate but that 25pounds is in a bank for her. Eldest son John is to be manager for his mother - "so long as he conducts himself in a proper way to the satisfaction of his mother". The will is dated
There is an inventory also.
PROV wills sometimes take a while to download - patience is needed!
http://www.prov.vic.gov.au/indexes/Index_search.asp?searchid=54
Clarendon is about 10km out of Ballarat. I could not see a will for William.
Judith
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Hi I'm so sorry to just interrupt
My partner is an emery he has relatives in hi family tree Florence maud huckle she married 1910 Frederick emery. Is there any information you can tell us on the family as really struggling and I'm trying to surprise my partner with new information. Please help many thanks
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Hello Rosie
Welcome to Rootschat
From what I can see Florence Maud HUCKLE and Frederick EMERY lived all their lives in Bedfordshire, England. I think Frederick was a nephew of the Thomas EMERY who is the subject of this thread. Frederick's father Isaac is a brother of this Thomas.
Are you in UK?
There are some family trees which have lots of information about Florence Maud and Frederick on Ancestry - one even has a pic of Florence Maud. You can probably access Ancestry on a free trial or perhaps your local library has it for free.
Judith
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That's great thank you for helping me
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A pleasure, Rosie - good luck with it! Judith