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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Wexford => Topic started by: shirlbur on Monday 21 December 09 06:06 GMT (UK)
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I have come to a brick wall, so am seeking any kind of help.
Andrew BYRNE and Margaret NEILL married 15/2/1829 Oulart, Co Wexford. I have the marriage record but there is no address shown, nor parents or witnesses recorded. They were both Roman Catholic.
They had 5 children (as far as I know) - Patrick b.15/1/1833 Slinegrawn; Matthew b.21/1/1835 Oulart; James b.19/5/1837 Oulart; Mary b.3/3/1844 and Thomas b.22/1/1846 Oulart.
Can anyone tell me where Slinegrawn is?
Also need some help in tracking the children. Matthew married Frances Jordan and they migrated to Australia, but this is the only line I have been able to trace.
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I don't see a Slinegrawn but there is a Slievenagrane in Castle-ellis civil parish Enniscorthy PLU that could be a possibility.
annclare
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....Also need some help in tracking the children. Matthew married Frances Jordan and they migrated to Australia, but this is the only line I have been able to trace.
see related post on the Jordan/Byrne marriage (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=425858.msg2908218#msg2908218)
Shane
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I'm not having much luck with Slievenagrane. Just comes up as a cottage for sale in Enniscorthy. Definitely says Slinegrawn on the birth record.
Is there an old church or cemetery at Oulart?
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Slievenagrane is just a little south of Oulart see linkhttp://www.maplandia.com/ireland/south-east/wexford/oulart/
There seems to be two cemeteries in Oulart the newer is adjoining St Patrick's church which is about 100 yrs old - so perhaps it is the older cemetery that may be of interest.
annclare
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Thanks for that. Found Slievengrane on the map, and I guess this could be translated from bad handwriting as Slinegrawn. It's in the same vicinity as Oulart so it's a good possibility.
The older cemetery could be the one to start looking in, although the family could have moved anywhere - as Matthew BYRNE migrated to Australia.
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Try this link: http://ims0.osiemaps.ie/website/publicviewer/main.aspx#V1,707876,637594,6
You can toggle between the historic and present day maps or use the Modern Map overlay on the historic maps.
It looks like there were quite a few dwellings in old Slievenagrane.
Dara.
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Thanks for that site. Love it!
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Oulart graveyard is one of the Wexford cemeteries that Brian Cantwell included in his work Memorials of the Dead. See link for further information. If I remember correctly Ian Cantwell is his son?
http://www.iancantwell.com/WWWXnamesindex.pdf
You can search the index for Byrne and Neill surnames and if they show you may be able to get a copy of "Memorials" in a library. If not you can search for a fee on the Irish origins section of origins.net. http://www.originsnetwork.com/help/popup-helpio-motdcantwell.htm
As far as I remember the fees are quite reasonable.
annclare
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The above couple had children Patrick, Matthew, Mary, James and Thomas - all baptised in Oulart around the 1830s. Trying to trace these families. Matthew married Frances Jordan in Enniscorthy in 1874 (2nd marriage) and migrated to Australia. Any help would be appreciated.
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To search forward with a very common surname like Byrne is going to be very difficult with the limited information on early parish records - only option is searching for later Byrne marriages and seeing if they can be connected to this family, by matching the townland, witnesses etc.
The town of Oulart is in the civil parish of Meelnagh (sometimes listed as Millenagh or Melina) and in the 1830s with several other civil parishes was part of the RC parish union of Ballagh/Oulart. Baptism and marriage records for the parish go back to about 1837.
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referring back to the townland mentioned earlier i.e. Slievenagrane, it's in the Civil parish of Castle-Ellis, which was one of those included in the RC parish of The Ballagh/Oolart.
No sign of any [O']Byrnes or [O']Neills in the townland at the time of Griffith's valuation in 1853, which may have helped follow the family forward. Maybe the family later moved from the area ?
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Thanks for that. Found Slievengrane on the map, and I guess this could be translated from bad handwriting as Slinegrawn. It's in the same vicinity as Oulart so it's a good possibility.
The older cemetery could be the one to start looking in, although the family could have moved anywhere - as Matthew BYRNE migrated to Australia.
I have family who lived in Slievenagrane they married in Oulart but they are burried in Castle Ellis graveyard not Oulart, so don't overlook that one if you are checking graveyards.
M
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I am staying in and around Oulart currently. Do you know specifically where the Castle-Ellis graveyard is? Haven't seen it whilst driving around.
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Have to go back to Australia next week, so any clues while I'm in the area would be gratefully appreciated.
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Castleellis graveyard seems to be just east of the village, to the north of the R744. The older OSI maps show a church (CofI) at the location, which now seems to be gone. The laneway to the graveyard appears to be close to a monument to the rebellion of 1798
see : Castleellis church & graveyard (http://maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V1,709166,636800,7,9) (c1890 OSI map)
possible entrance to graveyard (http://goo.gl/maps/Th6zE) (Google street view)
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Have just found Castle-Ellis on a map, so will take a look at the graveyard if I can find it, on Friday.
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Castleellis graveyard seems to be just east of the village, to the north of the R744. The older OSI maps show a church (CofI) at the location, which now seems to be gone. The laneway to the graveyard appears to be close to a monument to the rebellion of 1798
see : Castleellis church & graveyard (http://maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V1,709166,636800,7,9) (c1890 OSI map)
Thanks so much for the links. Fabulous!
possible entrance to graveyard (http://goo.gl/maps/Th6zE) (Google street view)
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Shane is spot on with the location of the graveyard. The monument is the best way to locate the graveyard which although only 20-30 feet up the lane can't be noticed from the road, so do look at his link so you know what you are looking for. The sign from the r744 at Castleellis crossroads is for Blackwater, its about half a mile down that road opposite a whitewashed farmhouse. The graveyard is always accessible by foot and is well kept but many of the stones are hard to read, its smaller than Oulart Old Graveyard and it won't take too long to look at all the Gravestones. If you go in the other direction from the R744 it will bring you to Ballaghkeen village, via Slievenagrane townland, there is a very small old graveyard in the village opposite the Church it also is a possible burrial place for people living in Slievenagrane in the 1800's.
Good luck
M
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Shirlbur, what information did you have on Matthew and Frances in Australia? I am assuming this is how you tie in, and you are perhaps a direct descendant of that couple?
Did you find the name of his first wife? Did you find the father of Frances? Do you know what state they lived in? Do you have their death certificates?
Katharine.
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Katherine75, My husband is the grandson of Matthew Byrne and Fanny Jordan. Fanny's father is Michael, but that's all I know about her family. I haven't confirmed Matthew's first wife's name yet. Yes, I have Matthew and Fanny's death certificates at home (I'm currently in Ireland). Are you connected to this family?
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Thanks for all the help. Found the Castle-Ellis graveyard today, and amazingly there were many very old headstones that were still readable. Found quite a few with BYRNE on them and have photos, because I haven't got a link to the family yet.
Also visited the cemetery at Ballaghkeen last week, and found a few BYRNE headstones.
Visited a local lady in Oulart today, and I have some other info which may help. I have a lot to work on now
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Katherine75, I meant to say that my husband is the great-grandson of Matthew and Fanny. They had a child Patrick, and he is my husband's grandfather.
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Hi Shirlbur. No, not related at all. Just wasn't sure, but was going to say that their Australian death certificates 'should' hold the information that you were after, PROVIDING the informant knew and gave the information.
But obviously that was no the case for you.
Did any of the children from the first wife come out to Australia? If so, I presume you have their death certificates as they should give the mother/first wife.
Katharine.