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General => The Common Room => Topic started by: kaydoubleu27 on Saturday 19 December 09 22:30 GMT (UK)
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I've found the record of the death of Jeremiah Murphy in the Marine Death Indices. I believe it is the death record of my great grandfather and to check it I would like to order the death certificate - can anyone tell me if you can order certificates from the marine death indices as you can from the 'normal' GRO death Index please?
I'm assuming I can't order it online or can I?
Any advice much appreciated as always
Thanks
Kim
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Hello Kim
Yes you can order these from GRO - at least I've bought weird overseas birth certificates so I assume the same applies. ::)
Good luck :)
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Hi Angela
Thanks very much for your reply - I'll order it and maybe another mystery solved! ;D
Kim
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Let us know how you get on - I seem to remember the references didn't quite fit the standard pattern but I put everything in with some extra comments and it all came back fine ;D I managed a really strange overseas missionary death the same way :)
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yeah - the entry I found doesn't fit the 'normal' pattern - it gives his name, age & vessel rather than registration district, volume and page number.
Crikey, how on earth did you track THAT one down?? :o
Kim
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I think it was under Consular death indices. Poor chap was only in his early twenties - pretty well all the missionaries who went to that part of Africa died pretty rapidly :( Malaria mainly.....
This family history stuff isn't half good for the education ;D
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Isn't it just? I'm actually amazed at how long some of them ancestors did live give the conditions they lived in - your poor chap didn't have much luck tho, thats an awful way to die - I guess they really must have had a 'calling'!
Mine died at sea - leaving behind a widow who then 'took to drink' and three boys under the age of 5 who ended up in an orphanage :(
I'll let you know if I managed to order the cert :) (I love these santa hats!)
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You can get the death cert from GRO. Tick Death Certificate, Overseas Events rather than the usual deaths, tick Yes you know the GRO Index and put in the year of death. When you get to the page where you put in his name etc. you will find there is only one space for the reference, you just put in the vol and page number and they should be able to find the certificate for you.
Lizzie
ps. That's what I did for my g.uncle's death certificate - he was killed in France in 1917. Cert arrived in the usual time, i.e. about 5 days.
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Hi Lizzie
Thanks for the information, very helpful.
The only thing that concerns me is that I don't appear to have a volume number. At the top of the page is the number 32 which is just above 'Marine deaths for the year 1917' - do you know if that would be the volume number?
Many thanks
Kim
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Hi Kim
I think 32 might be the volume number, but I don't know. You could just put in the reference, GRO Marine Index Page X. You will already have put in the year of death. I suppose you could send the GRO an e-mail first to make sure that is the correct thing to do, that would save you spending money and not receiving the cert. certificate.services@ips.gsi.gov.uk To get a response, you have to put GQ in the subject of the e-mail.
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Lizzie
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"Volume number" is not required on the Overseas Events application form. All that is required is the "GRO reference" - i.e. the title of the volume and the reference information that you have found next to the name.
Anna :)
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Thanks Lizzie and Anna - I'm sure I'll get the right cert with the advice you have given me tho I think I may wait until after the holiday period to order it.
Thanks again and Merry Christmas ;D
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Let us know how you get on - I seem to remember the references didn't quite fit the standard pattern but I put everything in with some extra comments and it all came back fine ;D I managed a really strange overseas missionary death the same way :)
Hi
Finally got round to ordering the certificate (thanks to all for you very helpful advice) and I'm sorry to say it's not my great grandfather :( - right name, right age but NOT him so back to the drawing board. I'm hoping to get up to the new Hull History Centre at some point so I may find some answers there.......
Thanks again to everyone on this brilliant forum for all their help and advice.
Kim
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Oh dear Kim. That's the trouble with mariners ;D I have recently found a few fishermen with the same name as my g.g.grandfather, but the only way to check if any of them is the right one, as far as I know, is to pay lots of money to the National Maritime Archives in Newfoundland to do a search.
Lizzie
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Oh dear Kim. That's the trouble with mariners ;D I have recently found a few fishermen with the same name as my g.g.grandfather, but the only way to check if any of them is the right one, as far as I know, is to pay lots of money to the National Maritime Archives in Newfoundland to do a search.
Lizzie
Thanks for that Lizzie, unfortunately lots of money is something I don't have ::) so that isn't an option!!!! I hope you manage to find out which one is your gg grandfather.
I think that mine might just have to stay as 'exact date of death unknown' (dammit!!)