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Title: Am in a right mess
Post by: patvp1 on Thursday 17 December 09 05:09 GMT (UK)

In 1899 at Kilmadock Jane Ann Ferguson married Robert Stewart GRO362/00 0011.
Robert born 1876 Deanston Kilmadock, parents Robert Stewart occ carter, and Jannett Hellen McGregor.

Cannot find a marriage for these two..have plenty of Stewart and McGregor's in my tree but none match this pair..plenty who are ag labourers.  Have tried SP for a marriage think maybe SP having problems again today as cannot find any Stewart/McGregor marriages at all in Perth  :( and that's a fib  ;D

Have no problems with Jane Ann Ferguson apart from the fact that on the 1901 census she is home with Mum and Dad Daniel Ferguson and Mary King..seems a bit soon, she was only married in 1899.  As to Robert cannot find him in 1901 at all..maybe he went home to Mum and Dad as well  :D


I have totally mucked up my family tree and have Stewarts and Fergusons coming out of the woodwork.

Help please  :'(  patvp

Title: Re: Am in a right mess
Post by: ev on Thursday 17 December 09 11:13 GMT (UK)

hi patvp  :)

robert stewart marriage to janet mcgregor 11th dec 1868 muthill perth(IGI)

given place of marriage this could be the couple in 1881
east murdieston kilmadock perth
robert stewart 32 ag. lab born falkirk stirling
janet stewart 32 wife b. muthill perth
elizabeth B stewart 10 b. kincardine perth
peter stewart 8 b. kincardine perth
jane P stewart 7 b. alva stirling
robert stewart 5 b. logie perth
alexander B stewart 3 b. logie perth
janet H stewart 1 b. logie perth
mary B mcgregor 20 sister in law b. muthill perth

children of robert stewart and janet mcgregor on IGI(going by 1881 census)
elizabeth bayne stewart born 10th july 1870 kilmadock perth
peter stewart born 2nd may 1872 kincardine perth
jane pedderwick stewart born 7th feb. 1874 alva stirling

don't know if this is who you are looking for but it is a possible  :-\

i have to go now but i'll look for any other robert's with parents robert & janet

ev

Title: Re: Am in a right mess
Post by: MonicaL on Thursday 17 December 09 11:15 GMT (UK)

Hi Pat and Ev  :)

There is this possible entry for Robert Stewart at home with parents in 1901:

Robert Stewart 52, coal carter b. Logie
Janet Stewart 52 b. Muthill, Perthshire
Mary Margaret Stewart 17 b. Kilmadock
Isabella Mc Gregor Stewart 15 b. Kilmadock
Duncan Stewart 13 b. Kilmadock
John Mc Gregor Stewart 8 b. Kilmadock
Robert Stewart 25, son, coal carter b. Logie

Address: 5th Division, Kilmadock

Monica

Title: Re: Am in a right mess
Post by: MonicaL on Thursday 17 December 09 11:19 GMT (UK)

Pat, you do have gremlins again with your SP searches  :-\ The marriage for Robert and Jane Ann shows on SP for me as you have, 1899 in Kilmadock.

Monica

Title: Re: Am in a right mess
Post by: ev on Thursday 17 December 09 14:43 GMT (UK)

given the census is not always accurate  ::)
i'd say that the 1881 census and the 1901 census that Monica has found
is the same family

ev

Title: Re: Am in a right mess
Post by: patvp1 on Friday 18 December 09 07:53 GMT (UK)

Thanks Monica and Ev - Think I will give it rest for a couple of days..my head is spinning #*### the Stewart and Fergusons and this is not the weather to be sitting at the computer..very hot..and very dry.

Have a goood weekend.

All the best Pat

Title: Re: Am in a right mess
Post by: MonicaL on Friday 18 December 09 10:21 GMT (UK)

Go and find something cool and refreshing to do Pat  :)

On opposite extremes, over here, snow is falling, a number of schools are closed early on the last day of term because of the snow and it is FREEZING  ;D

Monica

Title: Re: Am in a right mess
Post by: RykBrown on Wednesday 10 February 10 03:13 GMT (UK)

Patvp

I am researching the same family for a friend who is descended from Jane Pedderwick Stewart, b 1874 in Alva, who married Andrew Waugh in Callander.  She was sister to your Robert Stewart who married Jane Ann Ferguson.

The census records cited above are correct for this family.  The birth in Muthill is also correct, as are the IGI births cited above.

Janet McGregor was b 1848 in Muthill as the daughter of Peter McGregor and Elizabeth Bayne.  You'll see that corresponds onomastically with the IGI births mentioned above.

At present I have not yet been able to identify the birth family for Robert Stewart, b 1848 in Cornton, Logie, Perthshire, Scotland.

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Title: Re: Am in a right mess
Post by: Piglet01 on Wednesday 10 February 10 10:34 GMT (UK)

Hello

In all of Scotland there are only 23 Robert Stewarts - 1855 to 2006 who die - having been born in 1848.

There is only one in Perth.  He is down as 'widowed' and dies in Feb 1914 - - between the 24th and 29th Jan   (some form of poisoning?). 
Unfortunately does not give wifes name.  Parents were John Stewart and Barbara Stewart (Smith). 
At the time he was living in Comrie.  No relative was informant.

Occ. given as 'Stonebreaker.
Regards,   Steve 

Title: Re: Am in a right mess
Post by: patvp1 on Wednesday 10 February 10 10:43 GMT (UK)

Thanks Ryk and Piglet - Should have done it sooner !!! ::)
Finally obtaine the marriage or Robert Stewart and Janet mcGregor 11 Dec 1868 Muthill GRO386/AO 0014.
Parents for Robert listed as John Stewart and Jane McCulloch..not happy with the John !! as the eldest son was James born 1869 Kincardine...all up they had 12 Children..have not got back to them as have been busy with other stuff..where on earth did the Pedderwick come from  ???.

Regards Patvp

Title: Re: Am in a right mess
Post by: Piglet01 on Wednesday 10 February 10 10:57 GMT (UK)

1881 to 2006 the following Robert Stewarts die who are born 1847 to 1849

The one who dies in Logierait in 1907 is a single farmer.
The one who dies in 1912 is a Joiner, a widower with wifes name and parents names unknown.  Informant is a daughter May who lives in London.
The one who dies in 1914, I've highlighted above.  Have ran out of credits for checking on the other 2.. 

Ah - I see you've downloaded the marriage entry, why didn't I think of that???? - having an off day.  Good luck  Regards,   Steve  :)

Robert Stewart age 60 Logierait 1907
Robert Stewart age 65 Dunblane & Lecropt 1912   
Robert Stewart age 66 Comrie 1914
Robert Stewart age 69 Perth 1918
Robert Stewart age 70 Perth 1919

Title: Re: Am in a right mess
Post by: patvp1 on Wednesday 10 February 10 11:12 GMT (UK)

Problems ...problems....
Cannot find a marriage for John/James Stewart and Jane McCulloch, although..there is a Jane Stewart (pauper) born 1807 Dunblane on the 1851 census, born 1807 Dunblane...
Children - Duncan 1842, Edward 1845, Jane 1847, ROBERT 1849 Mary 1850 all born Stirling.

Will look into this further, as usual it is stinking hot here with BAD humidity, and of course the one room in the house that does not have air-con is where I have my computer  :P may have to wait until tomorrow..then again !!!!

Regards Patvp

Title: Re: Am in a right mess
Post by: RykBrown on Wednesday 10 February 10 14:56 GMT (UK)

Patvp,
Below is what I have on this family which appears to agree entirely with what you have.

Piglet, thank you very much for the effort and the donation of credits to our cause, however I believe none of the above deaths is correct.  I suspect that Robert lived past 1920. (I'm not sure the latest date that SP has death records for.)

Patvp, I completely agree with your discomfort around the recorded names of Robert's parents.  Why would he follow onomastic tradition perfectly for his wife's parents' names and completely ignore tradition for his own parents' names???  There is definitely something fishy here.  What we have here is the civil marriage registration.  If only we could have a look at the Free Church record to compare.

I have been utterly unable to locate Robert in 1851 & 1861.  In 1871 & 1891 his place of birth is given as Logie which can refer to either the village or the parish.  In 1881 his birth place is given as Falkirk which is where he was residing at the time, so I presume that to be an enumerator's error as it's not consistent with the other census records.  And in 1901 his place of birth is given as Cornton, which was a small settlement just north of the town of Stirling (now part of the city), on the fringe of Logie parish.  I interpret the reference to Logie to refer to the parish and the reference to Cornton to be the village, and Falkirk is an error.  So I think he was born in Cornton and either registered in Logie or perhaps may have grown up in Logie.  However, I can find no Robert Stewart even close to his age living in Logie or north Stirling in 1851 or 1861.

I have also been unable to locate any marriage registration for John Stewart and Janet McCulloch nor any record of any other children by them nor any match for them in any census.

Given the conflict between his parents' names on the marriage register and the parental names implied by the names of his children, and given the inability to locate him in 1851 & 1861, and given the lack of any other records of his alleged parents in any census or in the IGI, I suspect he was an orphan.  In which case he may have chosen to name his children after the parents who raised him rather than after his birth parents.  Either that or the civil clerk incorrectly recorded his parents' names.  I don't have the marriage in front of me, but I recall that Janet McGregor's parents were not listed at all in the marriage register.

(exceeds max post length, so continued below...)

Title: Re: Am in a right mess
Post by: RykBrown on Wednesday 10 February 10 14:58 GMT (UK)

(...continued)

As to the name Pedderwick, given the fact that he names his first daughter Elisabeth Bayne after his wife's mother, it would be reasonable to suggest that "Jane Pedderwich" was Robert's mother's name.  But, like you, I can locate no such person.  In fact I can locate no such surname or even place name anywhere in Scotland.  Since the name "Pedderwick" comes to us from the IGI, I suggest that it's a transcription error.  I hope to be able to download the original to have a look for myself.  But I've even searched for any birth or marriage in the right date range with James or John Stewart as father and Jane ____ as mother and looked for any mother's surname that even resembled Pedderwick and came up with nothing.

It's very frustrating for me, because most of the Stewarts residing in southern Perthshire and northern Stirlingshire were descended from Clan Stewart of Balquhidder.  And our clan records are extensive up to 1820, so if we could only get this family back another generation or two then I might be able connect them up with one of the branches of that clan and we'd have another 500 years of ancestry in an instant!

We are chasing ghosts here!


(continued...)

Title: Re: Am in a right mess
Post by: RykBrown on Wednesday 10 February 10 14:59 GMT (UK)

Anyway, here is what I have:

Robert STEWART, b 1848 in Logie (1871, 1891), Cornton (1901) or Falkirk (1881), Stirlingshire, Scotland, son of John STEWART and Janet MCCULLOCH. Occupation: ploughman (1868), farm servant (1871), agricultural labourer (1881), farm servant (1891), cotton work carter at Deanston Works (1901).  Residence: 1868 in Willurdistone (sic, Whirrieston), Kilmadock, Perthshire, Scotland; 1871 in Boquhapple, Kincardine-by-Doune, Perthshire, Scotland; 1881 in East Murdieston (Whirrieston or Munnieston?), Kilmadock, Perthshire, Scotland; 1891 at Broich Cottage, Kilmadock, Perthshire, Scotland; 1901 at 5th Division, Deanston, Kilmadock, Scotland. Robert married 11 DEC 1868 in the Free Church of Scotland, parish of Muthill, Perthshire, Scotland to Janet Hellen MCGREGOR, b 1848 in parish of Muthill, Perthshire, Scotland, daughter of Peter McGregor and Elisabeth Bayne.  Robert’s marriage record gives his parents' names as John Stewart and Janet McCulloch, which does not fit onomastically.  Also residing with the family in 1881 was Janet’s sister, Mary B McGregor, b 1861 in Muthill, Perthshire, Scotland.
1.   James STEWART, b 18 MAR 1869 in Kilmadock, Perthshire, Scotland. Residence in 1871 with parents. Not found in 1881. Presumed to have died in childhood 1871-1881.
2.   Elizabeth Bayne STEWART, b 10 JUL 1870 in Kilmadock, Perthshire, Scotland. Residing with parents in 1871 & 1881. Not residing with parents in 1891.
3.   Peter STEWART, b 2 MAY 1872 in Kincardine-by-Doune, Perthshire, Scotland. Residing in 1881 & 1891 with parents.
4.   Jane Pedderwick STEWART, b 7 FEB 1874 in Alva, Clackmannan/Stirlingshire, Scotland. Residing in 1881 with parents. Residing in 1891 at West Spittalton, Kilmadock, Perthshire, Scotland employed as a general domestic servant to the family of James King (whose daughter Lizzie King was a witness at Jane’s wedding). There is no such place name or surname found anywhere in Scotland as “Pedderwick”.  This is likely an IGI transcription error.  The original record has not been viewed.  See below.
5.   Robert STEWART, b 1876 in Logie, Stirlingshire (1881) or Kilmadock (1891), Perthshire, Scotland. Residing in 1881 & 1891 & 1901 with parents. Occupation: coal carter (1901). Marriage record gives Robert’s place of birth as Deanston, Kilmadock, Perthshire, Scotland.  Robert married in 1899 in Kilmadock, Perthshire, Scotland to Jane Ann Ferguson.
6.   Alexander Byne STEWART, b 1878 in Logie, Stirlingshire, Scotland. Residing in 1881 & 1891 with parents. His middle name is probably “Bayne”.
7.   Janet H STEWART, b 1880 in Logie, Stirlingshire, Scotland. Residing in 1881 & 1891 with parents.
8.   James STEWART, b 1882 in Kilmadock, Perthshire, Scotland. Residing in 1891 with parents.
9.   Mary Margaret STEWART, b 1884 in Kilmadock, Perthshire, Scotland. Residing in 1891 & 1901 with parents.
10.   Isabella McGregor STEWART, b 1886 in Kilmadock, Perthshire, Scotland. Residing in 1891 & 1901 with parents.
11.   Duncan STEWART, b 1888 in Kilmadock, Perthshire, Scotland. Residing in 1891 & 1901 with parents.
12.   John McGregor STEWART, b 1893 in Kilmadock, Perthshire, Scotland

Title: Re: Am in a right mess
Post by: RykBrown on Wednesday 10 February 10 15:00 GMT (UK)

Jane Pedderwick STEWART, b 1874 in Alva, Stirlingshire, Scotland. Residence: 1881 with parents, 1901 at 2 Leighton Cottage, Callander, Callander, Perthshire, Scotland. In 1895 Jane was working as a millworker at the Deanston Mills in Deanston, Kilmadock, Perthshire, Scotland.  Married on 15 JAN 1895 in Free Church at Deanston, Kilmadock, Perthshire, Scotland to Andrew WAUGH, b 1870 in Logie, Clackmannanshire, Scotland, son of Andrew Waugh and Elizabeth McArthur. Marriage witnessed by John Waugh and Lizzie King. Jane died 29 SEP 1913, five days after the birth of her stillborn child.
1.   Jessie Ann WAUGH, b illegitimately in 1894 in Kilmadock, Perthshire, Scotland.  Residing in 1901 with parents. Died 1975
2.   Elizabeth WAUGH, claimed in family records to have been born in 1894 and died in 1896.  If so then she was a twin to Jessie and was also illegitimate.
3.   Andrew WAUGH, b 1897 in Callander, Perthshire, Scotland.  According to family records he was born 1887 (sic) and died at age 3 weeks, however, he was alive in 1901 at age 4 years and residing with his parents.  Another Andrew is said to have died during WWI.  Family records are confused.
4.   Robert WAUGH, b 1899 in Callander, Perthshire, Scotland.  Residing in 1901 with parents.  Died in WWI.
5.   William WAUGH, b JAN 1901 in Callander, Callander, Perthshire, Scotland.  Residing in 1901 with parents. According to family records he was born in 1904 and died in 1960, but he is found alive in the 1901 census.
6.   Jean WAUGH, 1901-1995 according to family records.
7.   John WAUGH, 1903-1975, according to family records.
8.   Peter WAUGH, b 1908 and died at 12 days old, according to family records.
9.   Mary Ann WAUGH, 1909-1910 according to family records.
10.   Elizabeth WAUGH, 1910-1980 according to family records.
11.   Corona WAUGH, 1911-1995 according to family records.
12.   Baby WAUGH, stillborn 24 SEP 1913.

Title: Re: Am in a right mess
Post by: RykBrown on Wednesday 10 February 10 15:03 GMT (UK)

FYI here is what I have on the McGregors:

Peter MCGREGOR, b 1829 in Muthill, Perthshire, Scotland.  Married on 11 JUN 1848 in Muthill, Perthshire, Scotland to Elizabeth BAYNE, b 1828 in Muthill, Perthshire, Scotland.  In 1841, Peter was residing with the family of Alex Miller in Muthill Village, Muthill, Perthshire, Scotland.  However Peter is shown as only 5 years old at the time.  It’s not known why he was not with his parents or what his relation is to the Millers.  Residing with them was 35 year old John Miller who is again found residing with Peter in 1861.  In 1851 Peter was residing in New Street, Blackford, Perthshire, Scotland and employed as a farm labourer.  In 1861 Peter was residing in Whitharns, Ardoch, Perthshire, Scotland, employed as a ploughman.  Also residing with them was 52 year old John Miller who matches with the John Miller residing with Peter in 1841.  In 1871 Peter was residing in Muthill, Perthshire, Scotland, employed as a dyke builder.  In 1881 Peter was residing in Muthill, Perthshire, Scotland employed as a dyke builder.  His grandchildren, May Williamson McGregor (parents unknown), Peter McLaren, Elizabeth McLaren, and Lillias McLaren (children of Helen McGregor) were also residing with them.  In 1891 Peter was residing alone at Thornhill Street, Muthill, Perthshire, Scotland and employed as a dyke and fence builder.  He was presumably widowed by this time.
1.   Janet MCGREGOR, b 1848 in Muthill, Perthshire, Scotland.  No birth registration has been found for her.  She married 11 DEC 1868 in the Free Church of Scotland, parish of Muthill, Perthshire, Scotland to Robert STEWART (above).  In 1851 & 1861 she was residing with her parents.
2.   Helen MCGREGOR, b NOV 1850 in Muthill, Perthshire, Scotland.  No birth registration has been found for her.  She was found residing with her parents in 1851 and not in 1861.   She married on 22 MAR 1870 in Muthill, Perthshire, Scotland to Archibald MCLAREN.

1.   Peter MCLAREN, b 1870 in Muthill, Perthshire, Scotland.
2.   Elizabeth MCLAREN, b 1872 in Hamilton, Lanark, Scotland.
3.   Lillias MCLAREN, b 1873 in Hamilton, Lanark, Scotland.

3.   Elisabeth MCGREGOR, b 1854 in Blackford, Perthshire, Scotland.  Residing with her parents in 1861.
4.   Peter MCGREGOR, b 4 MAR 1855, Blackford, Perthshire, Scotland.  Residing with his parents in 1861 & 1871.
5.   Isabella Brunton, MCGREGOR, b 25 MAY 1858 in Ardoch, Blackford, Perthshire, Scotland.  Residing with her parents in 1861, but not in 1871.
6.   Mary Bayne MCGREGOR, b 4 JUN 1860 in Ardoch, Muthill, Perthshire, Scotland.  Residing with her parents in 1861 & 1871.
7.   Alexander Bayne MCGREGOR, b 25 SEP 1862 in Muthill, Perthshire, Scotland.  Residing with his parents in 1871 & 1881.
8.   James MCGREGOR, b 11 FEB 1865 in Muthill, Perthshire, Scotland.  Residing with his parents in 1871, but not in 1881.
9.   John MCGREGOR, b 14 OCT 1868 in Muthill, Perthshire, Scotland.  Residing with his parents in 1871 & 1881.


Ryk Brown
Stewarts of Balquhidder Research Group
Administrator and Web-Master

Title: Re: Am in a right mess
Post by: RykBrown on Wednesday 10 February 10 15:04 GMT (UK)

PS - Since I'm not allowed to post my email addy here, perhaps I can post a link to our clan web site: http://chuckspeed.com/balquhidder/balquhidder%20stewarts.html . You can contact me directly through that site or if that's not allowed then just google "Stewarts of Balquhidder Research Group" and you'll find me pretty quickly.

Title: Re: Am in a right mess
Post by: RykBrown on Wednesday 10 February 10 15:12 GMT (UK)

Oops, I overlooked your comment:

"...there is a Jane Stewart (pauper) born 1807 Dunblane on the 1851 census, born 1807 Dunblane...
Children - Duncan 1842, Edward 1845, Jane 1847, ROBERT 1849 Mary 1850 all born Stirling."

Yes, this does look very promising!  I searched for Edward's birth and found nothing in the IGI.  I'm out of credits for SP, so I'll have to recharge.

Interestingly, I have searched for this family in 1861 and cannot find them.  Edward appears in no census records post-1851 in UK, Canada or USA.  There is a possible match for Duncan on his own in 1861 residing in Kincardine as a farm labourer, but that's all I can find. I wonder if they emigrated.

Title: Re: Am in a right mess
Post by: KirstyG on Wednesday 10 February 10 16:33 GMT (UK)

SP has the death of an Edward Stewart birth year 1845 +/-1 year in Stirlingshire 1857.

Kirsty

Title: Re: Am in a right mess
Post by: RykBrown on Wednesday 10 February 10 18:19 GMT (UK)

Kirsty
Thank for the look up.  Very kind of you.
Ryk

Title: Re: Am in a right mess
Post by: patvp1 on Wednesday 10 February 10 22:10 GMT (UK)

Phew...thank you for that Ryk..and Kirsty.   Have just printed all that info off so that I can inwardly digest  ;D

May give me a lead to my brick wall my g/g/grandfather (another) Robert Stewart...think we have talked about this before Ryk !!! born somewhere between 1827-1831 either Edinburgh or Bannockburn ?? parents on death cert Robert Stewart and Ann Denovan, so that makes three Robert Stewart's I have been looking for...ah the joys of family research  ;D  ???  ::)

Regards Patvp

Title: Re: Am in a right mess
Post by: patvp1 on Thursday 11 February 10 10:41 GMT (UK)

Ryk and Kirsty - Checked out the death of Edward Stewart 1857, parents listed as James Stewart Ag Labourer Deceased and Jane Stewart nee Patrick (I think) forgot to get the GRO number apparently it was an accident that killed him..Janet signed with her mark (illiterate).

Re the Waugh family spent most of the morning on SP but here we go...

Jessie Ann 1893 Kilmadock, Peter 1894 Callander, Elizabeth 1895, Andrew 1897, Robert 1899, William 1901, Elizabeth 1901, John 1902, Jane 1904, Elizabeth McArthur Stewart 1906.  All born Callander.
Mary Ann - no record and Corona - no record.

Will start on thge othger info in the morning...Regards patvp

Title: Re: Am in a right mess
Post by: RykBrown on Tuesday 16 February 10 12:25 GMT (UK)

Patvp
Sorry for the delay in replying.  Thanks very much for the additional info.  This very much helps correct family records.
Ryk

Title: Re: Am in a right mess
Post by: kzeldon on Monday 15 March 10 01:47 GMT (UK)

I happened to find this post while trying to find some information on a similar search and wondered if one of you might have come across the answer to my question, so here goes..

I am looking for information on my wife's family history, and here's what I know. She is descended from a Robert Stewart who worked in the coal industry.  He married someone with the last name Clelland (sp?).  The had 9 children (4 oldest girls, 1 boy, 4 younger girls [one possible named Grace, another possibly named mary?]).  Of these children the boy and at least one girl moved to canada and one girl moved to australia.  I don't have dates for these events but based on the generations he was probably born in the mid 1800s .  Grace lived in Edinburgh but I don't know if this was where Robert lived or not.

Thanks in advance for any help.

Title: Re: Am in a right mess
Post by: patvp1 on Monday 15 March 10 10:36 GMT (UK)

Hi - And welcome to Rootschat...As there are so many Robert Stewart's in Scotland it may be an idea if you give us some dates and areas of Scotland, any other information re family as in dates of birth etc may help..

All the best ..Patvp

Title: Re: Am in a right mess
Post by: ev on Monday 15 March 10 12:01 GMT (UK)

hi kzeldon

welcome to rootschat  :)

based on others research there is a robert stewart married jeanie simpson clelland 1891 lanarkshire
possibly at least 6 daughters
mary simpson stewart born 1892 lanark
grace lang clelland stewart born 1902 auchterderran fife
could this be who you are after ?

ev

Title: Re: Am in a right mess
Post by: kzeldon on Tuesday 16 March 10 02:44 GMT (UK)

It very well could be.  I am trying to get additional information from other family members but this might give me something to look at thanks ev!

Title: Re: Am in a right mess
Post by: kzeldon on Tuesday 16 March 10 02:53 GMT (UK)

Actually after a little poking on ancestry.com i think you really hit the nail on the head there ev!  You pegged him!
So here's what I have now...
Robert Stewart
b. 19 jun 1871 lanark
d. 12 may 1969 fife

J S Clelland
b. 9 mar 1868 lanark
d. 22 dec 1919 fife

I will continue to try to get more information from the relatives and see if i can make any headway from this point but if you could direct me towards the research where you found this ev that could be very helpful?
and also is there a child list for them?  The one i'm looking for would have moved to australia. 
I am also of course interested if any of that research might have gone back further?

Title: Re: Am in a right mess
Post by: patvp1 on Tuesday 16 March 10 06:23 GMT (UK)

Hi kzeldon - Had a couple of credits left on SP so here is the following.

Robert Stewart died Dunfermailine 1969 age 97 GRO0424/00 0291 sadly no image available so you would have to send for that one.

Jeanie Simpson Stewart - Died 27 Dec 1919 Lochore, Fife. married to Robert Stewart (colliery manager) age 51 years. Parents - James Clelland (market gardener) decd & Mary Clelland nee Simpson, decd. Cause I can't read. Robert Stewart (husband) present.

Hope this helps.

Patvp

Title: Re: Am in a right mess
Post by: ev on Tuesday 16 March 10 09:07 GMT (UK)

just to back up what Pat has found try here -

http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=igi/search_IGI.asp&clear_form=true

jane simpson clelland born 9th march 1868 parents james clelland and mary
simpson , born lesmahagow lanark

this could be robert stewart -
born 19th june 1871 carmichael lanark parents john stewart and elizabeth
baillie

also on IGI site are submitted entries(i.e. not official) from someone who looks
to be researching the same family
marriage 18th sept 1891 mauldslie carluke lanark robert stewart and jeanie
simpson
robert stewart death 12th may 1969 charlestown dunfermline fife
jeanie simpson clelland death 22nd dec.(note Pat has 27th dec.) 1919 lochore fife

ev

Title: Re: Am in a right mess
Post by: ev on Tuesday 16 March 10 09:18 GMT (UK)

also submitted entries for children -

mary simpson stewart born 10th jan. 1892 hamilton lanark
- death british columbia canada ?
elizabeth baillie stewart born 31st aug. 1894 carluke lanark
- death 28th sept. 1984 dundee angus
jeanie simpson stewart born 24th sept. 1896 hamilton lanark
- death 23rd dec. 1986 lochgelly fife
grace lang clelland stewart born 19th aug 1902 auchterderran fife
- death 3rd march 1994 dunblane stirling
janet baillie stewart born 23rd oct. 1903 leslie fife
- death 22nd dec. 1990 dunfermline fife
jemima clelland stewart born 28th dec 1906 auchterderran fife
- death 1st feb. 1989 dumfermline fife

ev

Title: Re: Am in a right mess
Post by: patvp1 on Tuesday 16 March 10 11:28 GMT (UK)

Good one Ev  ;D  ;D

patvp

Title: Re: Am in a right mess
Post by: MARYS1995 on Thursday 07 April 11 22:29 BST (UK)

hi my name is mary,researching my family history at the moment,jane pedderwick stewart was my granpas sister,there was 13 children born to robert and janet stewart,christina died at 15 months and their first child james was born in 1869 and died in 1877.the family was james 1869-1877,elizabeth 1870,peter 1872,jane 1874,robert 1876,alexander1878,janet 1879,james 1881,mary margaret 1883,isabella1886,duncan (my granpa) 1887,christina1889-1891,and john 1892

Title: Re: Am in a right mess
Post by: patvp1 on Thursday 07 April 11 23:25 BST (UK)

Hi MaryS - And welcome to rootschat  :D my connection is ..
Peter Mcgregor Stewart was the husband of my G/G/Aunt Janet Ann Stewart.

Have quite a bit of info re the family..what exactly were you looking for ??

Good to hear from you..regards patvp

Title: Re: Am in a right mess
Post by: MARYS1995 on Saturday 09 April 11 17:01 BST (UK)

hi patvp,thanks for replying,i only started looking for my roots about 5 weeks ago,i lost my mum just over 3 yrs ago and she used to say that she was the last 1,well shes not,i have a great need to know where i come from so any info you could give me would be great.Robert and Janet stewart and their daughter christina are buried in kilmadock cemetery,very nr my mum and dad.the grave stone was renewed a few yrs ago but,as yet, i dont know who renewed it.duncan stewart married mary gibson in december 1910,they had 4 children mary mcgregor 1911,robert  mcgregor,1913,jessie mcgregor[my mum]1914,and alexander gibson 1920,sadly all are gone now,but, there is my cousin mary and myself with our respective families,and i still spend a lot of time going around doune to find where the stewart lived,but that will be wednsdays adventure.On a different note what stevenson is it that your looking for in bannockburn because, small world that it is ,im married to a stevenson and live in bannockburn,his granpa was william possibly born in 1889 died 1977 take care marys x

Title: Re: Am in a right mess
Post by: MARYS1995 on Sunday 10 April 11 20:36 BST (UK)

hi,marys here,just wanted to let you know that i am part of the stewart family, my granpa was duncan stewart b 1888 married to mary gibson b 1893 in 1910 at ashmillburn cottage in doune.they went on to have 4 children mary mcgregor stewart b 1911,robert stewart 1913,jessie mcgregor stewart b 1914,and alexander gibson stewart b 1920

Title: Re: Am in a right mess
Post by: patvp1 on Monday 11 April 11 03:51 BST (UK)

Hi Mary - Give me a little while to work a few things out and will get back to you  ;D
All the best Pat...
Will also PM you my e.mail address which may be easier.

Title: Re: Am in a right mess
Post by: MARYS1995 on Monday 16 May 11 21:16 BST (UK)

re the name jane pedderwick stewart,i have been in touch with robert stewarts gr/son who also had a lot of trouble with the name pedderwick his research shows that janes name was actually headrick after her gg aunt janet headrick who married william keron a farmer from muthill.janet died in 1874 the year that jane was born,i will have to wait till tomorrow to check this out,i have no credits left (again)in my sp :(

regards marys1995

Title: Re: Am in a right mess
Post by: gordon44 on Thursday 20 December 12 20:22 GMT (UK)

if of interest i have the link of these McLarens , back to Lochearnhead.

   Helen MCGREGOR, b NOV 1850 in Muthill, Perthshire, Scotland.  No birth registration has been found for her.  She was found residing with her parents in 1851 and not in 1861.   She married on 22 MAR 1870 in Muthill, Perthshire, Scotland to Archibald MCLAREN.

1.   Peter MCLAREN, b 1870 in Muthill, Perthshire, Scotland.
2.   Elizabeth MCLAREN, b 1872 in Hamilton, Lanark, Scotland.
3.   Lillias MCLAREN, b 1873 in Hamilton, Lanark, Scotland

Archibald McLaren was the son of Peter McLaren (died October 29th 1869 , Dochlewan) and Lillias McNeil (died 25th Feb 1867 at Dochlewan , Ardoch , Muthill).

on Peter's death certificate of 1869 , his father is Archibald McLaren , the tailor , and Margaret McDonald ? this is incorrect , should be Margaret King.

on the 1851 census Peter is 35 and from Lochearnhead. Archibald McLaren was the tailor at Lochearnhead at Easter Auchraw , born in 1761 , marries Margaret King , and dies sometime in the 1840's , as he is listed on the 1841 census at Easter Auchraw , age 79.

Reason i can confirm Archibald , is the son of Peter McLaren , is the will of his aunt Janet McLaren of Easter Auchraw , residing at Ardveich on her death in 1892 , it lists them all .