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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Lanarkshire => Topic started by: egar on Wednesday 29 April 09 12:48 BST (UK)
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Hi All. New to this but making fabulous headway in my family search. We have discovered that our Great Aunt Agnes Young (who we didn't know existed) was murdered (yup) on 1st July 1929 at 48 Gallowgate in Glasgow. An insane sailor called David Petfield from Aberdeen shot her in the head. Wrong place at the wrong time. Anyway, it will be 80 years this year and we'd like to try to find out where she is buried. I've tried the Mitchell Library who can't find any records - does anyone else know where I can search. There was no line after Agnes so it seems really sad that she's all alone somewhere and we'd like to go and put down some flowers but have hit a 'dead end' here. Any thoughts or suggestions - I'm running out of time till 1st July. Many thanks, hope you are all well, Eva
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Hi Eva,
A warm welcome to Rootschat.
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Firstly I think we need to get your posting into the Lanarkshire page.
I am not quite sure how to do this we may need the help of one of the Rootschat moderator,s to do this, who by the way do a fantastic Job!
The second step is to contact Glasgow council,s dept of Cemeteries and cremetoria Register.
20 Trongate,Glasgow G1 5ES, tel 0141/ 287/ 3961.
email= land@glasgow.gov.uk
You have the details it should be fairly easy to find the burial records and possible gravestone of your great Aunt Agnes.
Good luck,
Billy
ps, I have just asked the Moderator to move the post.
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brilliant thank you. eva
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Hi Eva,
You may have seen this, but there was a story in the Scotsman newspaper on 2 July 1929 [page 9], It's certainly a sad story and it does seem that she was unfortunate in just being in the wrong place.
It doesn't give details of her burial, as it's too soon after the event.
Best wishes
Rockford
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Possibly could have been cremated at the Western Necropolis. They will check the register if you call and give any details you have regarding name and date.
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Oh, so excited - more information - will be on the phone to them at 9am tomorrow morning - will let you know all know how i get on. Someone on glasgowguide.com (incidentally called Agnes) will be posting the stuff from the Scotsman hopefully for me today. Can't wait to see it (slightly mobidly thinking....) Thanks.. Eva
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Hi all. Have hit a major brick wall - need to get to Mitchell Library which I can't do before July so have posted a wee look up request just in case anyone else is going before that time. will let you know how it goes. eva
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Eva,
What do you mean another brick wall!
I thought progress was getting made!!
What about phoning the Mitchell Library.
Can you post it on here as well.
We hopefully will get it sorted before July,
kind regards,Billy.
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Hi Billy - thought I was getting somewhere - have phoned lots of folks and only the Crematorian Society could tell me she definately wasn't cremated. Glasgow Council says they will search which will be at a cost of £12.36 per half hour - am willing to pay but thought before I forked out more money I'd post a look up request. Actually think I may have subsidised all the councils in scotland for family research over the last six months. Everyone has been very helpful but basically keep getting sent to the Mitchell Library. Do you think it's best to just give them more money - would that be an easier route - don't want to cause anyone any more work than they need. It's Agnes Young died at 48 Gallowgate in Glasgow on 1st July 1929 (murdered by an insane seaman). Her residential address was 116 Drygate, Glasgow. Unfortunately I wouldn't know one area of Glasgow from another so have no idea what cemetaries are in the area. All advise welcome. I think I've pretty much hit panic mode since we're getting so close and I can't get any time off work before july to get the the Library myself. Eva
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Hello Eva,
The 2 closest cemeteries would be either The Necropolis, right beside Drygate or possibly Janefield (The Eastern Necropolis, on the Gallowgate.
If you have a look on Multimap, choose the aerial view,and key in NS604652, that'll show you how close Drygate & the Necropolis is.
NS619642 is the reference for Janefield, no more than five minutes along the road on the Gallowgate.
Anne
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Hi Anne,I just Knew you would be the one to pinpoint the graveyards nearest,Billy
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i am in mitchell didnt have a lot of time looked up death notices in the glasgow evening times up to the 15th couldnt find anything but in the evening times there is photo of agnes young it looks like micro film has slipped if you are getting to mitchell start at 1st its on right hand side of newspaper
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::) ;D
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Hi Harrywag - a photo would be great also. Have printed off where to find it. thank you! eva
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hi eva, i was in mitchell again yesterday had bit of time checked the necropolis also southern necropolis for july no trace of her in any of those two for the month of july i asked the chap if he had records for janefield cemetery they did not have them just wondering if perhaps her parents stayed in different part of glasgow and she was burried near them looks like you will have to get councill to check janefield and the others. i managed to get copy of the photo from the film in the mitchell its beter when you view it on there screen as mark at side of it, if you send me a P.M. with your e.mail i will send copy to you of the photo hope this is of some help perhaps someone may have list for janefield that could help you
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Hiya - sorry - been otherwise engaged i.e. working all hours - her parents at the time of her death stayed in Bell Street? Just to let you all know I got the picture - she looks so lovely, fresh faced and a nice genuine person. Have been speaking with one of the Petfield relations and discovered Douglas (in the nicest possible way - her murderer) and he died in 1979 in Morningside. have found out quite a bit more about him and he seems to have had a terribly sad life before my g-a-agnes and spent the remaining 50 years in an asylum institution. Eva
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Hi Harrywrag - don't suppose you still have the pic below - was kept safely on my computer - but lost it all! Took me ages to find you! If you've got it could you send it again - this time I'll print off a few copies and keep them safe!!!
hi eva, i was in mitchell again yesterday had bit of time checked the necropolis also southern necropolis for july no trace of her in any of those two for the month of july i asked the chap if he had records for janefield cemetery they did not have them just wondering if perhaps her parents stayed in different part of glasgow and she was burried near them looks like you will have to get councill to check janefield and the others. i managed to get copy of the photo from the film in the mitchell its beter when you view it on there screen as mark at side of it, if you send me a P.M. with your e.mail i will send copy to you of the photo hope this is of some help perhaps someone may have list for janefield that could help you
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Egar, how about trying Riddrie or Sandymount cemeteries, both are in the east end of the city...Skoosh.
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Hi Billy - thought I was getting somewhere - have phoned lots of folks and only the Crematorian Society could tell me she definately wasn't cremated. Glasgow Council says they will search which will be at a cost of £12.36 per half hour - am willing to pay but thought before I forked out more money I'd post a look up request. Actually think I may have subsidised all the councils in scotland for family research over the last six months. Everyone has been very helpful but basically keep getting sent to the Mitchell Library. Do you think it's best to just give them more money - would that be an easier route - don't want to cause anyone any more work than they need. It's Agnes Young died at 48 Gallowgate in Glasgow on 1st July 1929 (murdered by an insane seaman). Her residential address was 116 Drygate, Glasgow. Unfortunately I wouldn't know one area of Glasgow from another so have no idea what cemetaries are in the area. All advise welcome. I think I've pretty much hit panic mode since we're getting so close and I can't get any time off work before july to get the the Library myself. Eva
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HI EVA IF YOU STAY IN GLASGOW GO TO THE PARKS DEPRT ARGYLE STREET THEY HAVE RECORDS FOR ALL GRAVES KIND REGARDS MATGARET
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Hi Margaret
That's wonderful, thank you - only stay an hour away on the train so will arrange a day off work soon. Kind regards, Eva
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Eva, try going through this, http://memento-mori.co.uk/ surely she would have a headstone, the neighbours possibly chipped in for one!......Skoosh.
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Hi. Been through them all - but to no avail :-[ will keep looking tho. thx, eva
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Dear Eva,
Hello, your posts popped up when I was searching so have signed up.
Please forgive any intrusion but I wondered if you had tracked down Agnes Young’s last resting place since your last post? – I know it was a long time back, some years now. It’s an incredibly long shot but my family have been trying to trace an Agnes of our own for 10 yrs to no avail and I wonder whether she may have changed her name (due to some skeletons we think)– there is no record of her death etc anywhere and she disappears from the record in the early 1920’s (was born Falkirk). Every attempt to trace her has failed. Many of the details match the account of your Agnes such as similar age range, likely whereabouts and so on and little available info on her early life – I just wondered whether was a chance they might just be one and the same? – long shot I know…..
I wondered if you might have a picture I might look at? - I'd be so very grateful if . The Agnes I am looking for is my Great-Grandmother and my Mother has tried so hard to find her and just kept hitting a wall.
All the best, Kate