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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => London & Middlesex Lookup Requests => London and Middlesex => England => London & Middlesex Completed Lookup Requests => Topic started by: wayne1041 on Monday 14 December 09 19:17 GMT (UK)
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Hi all being new to all this I stared well but have now hit a brick wall. What I can not find is any info relating to a Alfred Arthur Simmons bn @1848 in the Stepheny area of london.
On the 25th July 1850 in St George East he married a jemima Michell bn 12.3.1851.
Alf may have had a father by the name of James but that could be another Simmons.
Where would I look for the married certificate for Alf and jemima an where is St George East? etc.
many thanks
wayne
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Hmmm, on first glance, the only Alfred Simmons marrying Jemima Michell took place on July 25th 1870. :-\ Alfred's middle name is given as Amos though.
Alfred was resident at 1 Princes Sq, and his father was James Simmons (publican)
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this is what it says with regard to the marriage
marr; 25/7/1870 at the parish church of st.george in the east
alfred amos simmons of full age ; batchelor. occ; mariner. residing at 1,princes square
fathers name; james simmons occ; publican
jemima michell ; spinster; residing at william street
fathers name; william michell. occ; clerk
witnesses; thomas blyth and sarah ----?
st george in the east in in tower hamlets area
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talk about impressed !!!!! Firstly thank you very much, where and how did you find the info would be a question and if it is n't to much would you have Alf DOB.
the info re james ties in with what i have as in the was the land lord of the angel pub 85 high strret Whitecahpel in 1870 ish.
wayne
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It looks as if Alfred and Jemima baptised 2 children on 20th Sept 1876: Amos William and Jemima Jane. Address given as 11 Bromley St, Alfred's occupation is Seaman and the church is St MIchael and All Angels, Bromley.
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It looks as if Alfred and Jemima baptised 2 children on 20th Sept 1876: Amos William and Jemima Jane. Address given as 11 Bromley St, Alfred's occupation is Seaman and the church is St MIchael and All Angels, Bromley.
Jemima and these two children (7 and 5) were still at 11 Bromley St in 1881 (husband presumably away at sea): RG11/501/53/34.
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It looks as if Alfred and Jemima baptised 2 children on 20th Sept 1876: Amos William and Jemima Jane. Address given as 11 Bromley St, Alfred's occupation is Seaman and the church is St MIchael and All Angels, Bromley.
Jemima and these two children (7 and 5) were still at 11 Bromley St in 1881 (husband presumably away at sea): RG11/501/53/34.
I wonder if it is Jemima's mum and brother living in the same building but separate household (surname Michell)
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if he was born in stepney or near there
i can only find 3 between 1840-1850 none have amos down as middle name
1/ birth regd in stepney 1844
2/ birth regd in stepney in 1846
3/ birth regd in whitechapel 1849
the nearest one would be the 1849 one but i have found a baptism in 1849 in the right month and right area and his father was david simmons so probably not him
that leaves the other 2 but they would seem to be a bit early?
have not had a look at censuses for alfred
have to go to work shortly so will have a look to-morrow if no one does in the meantime
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i fopund and Alfred Simmons bn 1848 no further details re him but check a census or 2 i came up with an Elizabeth Simmons aged 23 with son Alfred aged 3 and Charles aged 1 living at 90White Cross St St Luke..1861 census, i can not make out who she was with but it looks like her dad,can't read the name . then in 1861 she is with samuel Simmons but no kids ??
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1881 census - the landlord of the pub at 85 High St is David Ayling and his wife Sarah RG11/443/109/6
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Wooohooo, got them on 1871! RG10/573/116/54
24 Richard St, Bromley St Leonards
Alfred A Simmonds Head Mar 21 Mariner R N R ? bn Sussex Brighton (!)
Jemima Simmonds Wife Mar 20 bn Middx Mile End
Living in same building but not same household as Sarah E Michell (? mother?) and John West (? brother in law?) plus other members of the family.
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Thank you for your help. I had James on my tree bn i think around 1820. Alf died about 1891 leaving Jemima to re marry a Mr Proud.
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Hi,
Assuming the couple Spidermonkey found on the 1871 are correct, there is a possible birth for Alfred Simmons - Q2 1848, Brighton, v7 pg313
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possibly alfreds family in 1861 alfred not there though
1861
RG9/595/33/4.
james simmons age 40. b. heathfield,sussex. occ. potato dealer. head(wid)
sarah.a. age 16. b. brighton. daughter
lucy age 11. b. ditto. daughter
louisa age 10. b. ditto. daughter
jemima age 7. b. ditto. daughter
james age 6. b. ditto. son
william west age 22. b. uckfield. occ. labourer. nephew
living at; 14,ashton street,st.peter,brighton,sussex
reg.dist. brighton
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Hi,
Assuming the couple Spidermonkey found on the 1871 are correct, there is a possible birth for Alfred Simmons - Q2 1848, Brighton, v7 pg313
Wayne, you could order this cert from the GRO, but specify that you only want it if father's name is James. That way, you do still have to pay a checking fee (?£4) but not the full price of £7 if it is the wrong cert. This cert should have Alfred's full birth date on
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talk about impressed !!!!! Firstly thank you very much, where and how did you find the info would be a question and if it is n't to
the info re james ties in with what i have as in the was the land lord of the angel pub 85 high strret Whitecahpel in 1870 ish.
(Ye Old) Angel public House, 85 High Street, Whitechapel:
http://deadpubs.co.uk/LondonPubs/Whitechapel/Angel.shtml
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All Saints Poplar
1858 Oct 12
Laura Caroline, d/o William Oliver & Sarah Eliza MICHELL, Poplar, Merchants clerk, born May 8 1847
Jemima, d/o William Oliver & Sarah Eliza MICHELL, Poplar, Merchants clerk, born Mar 12 1851
Ian C