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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Staffordshire => Topic started by: MikeDavies38 on Sunday 13 December 09 18:58 GMT (UK)
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In the 1891 census, my grandfather Edward Murrey, was possibly living with his Uncle and Aunt, John and Mary Lawton in Wolverhampton. Edward was born in West Bromwich about 1881 although finding his birth has been difficult. When he married in 1905 and moved to Wrexham, north Wales, he assumed the name of Edward Lawton Murray but dropped the Lawton after a year or so. Anyone researching the name Lawton found any mention of Edward?
Many Thanks
Mike
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Hiya Mike
There is on FreeBMD an Edward Murray Mar 1/4 1882 Dudley 6c 22
Dudley isnt far from West Brom
Willow x
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Thanks Willow. That is not him unfortuately. Certificate proved the fact.
Mike
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Hiya Mike
On the 1901 is he a soldier at Whittington barracks?
If so it gives his place of birth as Livedale which I think is actually Tividale which is between Dudley and West Brom
The church there is St Michaels if you can find someone to look at the parish register
On FreeBMD there is a marriage Sept 1875 Walsall 6b 834
Francis Murray
Hannah Lawton
Margaret Rockneath
Richard Sweeney
I cant find Francis and Hannah or Margaret as a couple but I can find a Margaret and Richard Sweeney
Willow x
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I don't think thats him in Whittington in 1901. On Edward's marriage certificate he put his father's occupation as a fishmonger but I have searched for a Charles Murray who was a fishmonger and cannot find any record. There is a record in 1901 of a Charles Murray with a son, Edward with the right age but Charles was an umbrella repairer so I cannot say for certain he was Edward's dad. Edward and his wife Phoebe Ella Bywater, tended to name their children after Phoebe's side of the family although there was a Francis among them.
Mike
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Hi both :)
I'm guessing that in 1901, your Edward is the one boarding in Wales at Brymbo RG13/5220 136 27.
Have you seen the 1881 census for John and Mary Lawton, Mike? They have a son Edmund (surname Lawton) age 3 months but there doesn't seem to birth registration on FreeBMD for Edmund Lawton. There is one however for Edmund Murray, Mar 1881 West Bromwich - coincidence?
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Hi Tati. No, my Edward did not come to Wales until about 1906, some say under a cloud which is maybe why he used the name Lawton Murray for a while. His wife was heavily preganant when they married (nothing new in that I suppose) but they immediately went to live in the Wrexham area although their first child was born in Wolverhampton, John Alfred who survied until 1929. Theie second son, Edward was also born in Wolverhampton in 1908 even though their home was in Southsea in the Wrexham area. He died in 1909 in Wrexham. Edward and phoebe lived at the same address until 1913.
I just looked back at my records and it maybe that he was called Lawton Edward Murray after his move. I remember thinking at the time that the entry in the electoral rolls was not very clear. In 1911 he was Edward Murray but his wife's name is down as Ellen, not Phoebe. I know he called her Phoebe as I remember his recollections of her were fond She died in 1933. His son, William died 2 weeks later and it is said his hair went white overnight.
Mike
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Does it rule the Wales 1901 census out, when it's a perfect match for the 1891 boy? ???
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Yes, it does rule out the 1901 Wales census. I found the Edmund Murray in Free BMD in 1881 but I have been unable to find him in any census.
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I don't understand your logic (how can you tell he hadn't ever been in the Wrexham before, where was the Brymbo 1901 chap on earlier censuses) but up to you to decide ...
I personally wouldn't be overly surprised if Edmund Murray (birth), Edmund Lawton (1881), Edward Murrey (1891) and Edward Murray 1901 in Brymbo turned out to be one and the same person.
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Hi Tati. Sorry I had not found that entry for Edward Lawton before, maybe because I didn't think to look under the name Lawton. It is well worth some serious investigation. I know where he was living as I come from the area myself so I will do some digging locally.
Thanks for the suggestions.
Mike
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cannot recall message i read earlier. but i have looked up some info.if you are interested.john.
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Did you mean to post on this thread maybe, Jonanjose? :)
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,427156.0.html