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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: win291130 on Sunday 13 December 09 09:00 GMT (UK)
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My great grandmother Gwenllian Jenkins immigrated to South Australia in 1863,and married ebenezer Jones in 1865. Checking one of her childrens birth certificate it stated she married on the 1st April 1865.Why I need the certificate is to find out where she was born in Wales UK, all I know is that she came from Swansea.
Stella
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That is interesting no marriage showing for this couple
will look further
JEnn
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I have had a good look and cannot see a marriage recorded for this couple.
on the 1/1/4/1865 there were a number of marriages but not one that remotely looks like your couple
2 childrens births though
John JONES born 13/8/1865 at Kapunda Book 36 page898
father Ebenezer Jones mother Gwen Jenkins
Mary Anne Jones born 8/9/1868 aty Kapunda B ook 67 page 562
father Ebenezer Jones mother Gwin Jenkins
Jenn
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I cannot find a marriage for Gwenllian/Winifred JENKINS to a Ebenezer JONES in South Australia.
Information on certificates in South Australia - marriage certificate would not give you her place of birth.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=368744.0
Births in South Australia
JONES John
13 Aug 1865
Father Ebenezer JONES Mother Gwen JENKINS
At Kapunda Kap 36/898
JONES Mary Anne
8 Sep 1868
Father Ebenezer JONES Mother Gwin JENKINS
At Kapunda Kap 67/562
Birth in Victoria
JONES Winifred
Father Ebenezer Mother Gwenllian JENKINS
At Sebastopol 1871 Reg#19636
From the Biographical Index of South Australian 1836-1885 Not always 100% accurate and there are errors and ommisions.
It would appear that neither of these Ebenezer's married in SA.
JONES Ebenezer born c1846 GLA WLS died after 1876. He arrived in 1864 on the Art Union Occupation Miner, Plasterer. Lived Adelaide.
JONES Ebenezer born c1836 GLA WLS and died after 1880 He arrived in 1860 Ramillies He was a miner and labourer and lived at North Adelaide. Religion - SOF.
Cando
Amended to add name.
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Sorry Cando I was amending my post when you posted the same info.
A copy of the daughter's birth in Victoria may very well give Gwen's place of birth.
Jenn
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no marriage for them in Victoria that I can see.........thinking they might have married later...
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It seems she used both the names Gwenllian and Winifred as these are the names of the children you mentioned in the linked thread.
Births
JONES Eleazer
Father Ebenezer Mother Winifred JENKINS
At Sebastopol 1872 Reg#26323
JONES William
Father Ebenezer Mother Winifred JENKINS
At Egerton 1876 Reg#4194
JONES Ebenezer
Father Ebenezer Mother Winifred JENKINS
At Egerton 1879 Reg#4294
Death
JONES Winifred
Father Jenkins Mother Ann UNKNOWN
68 years at Frankston 1912 Reg#1730
On the shipping record she is listed as Gwenllean JENKINS. As she is an assisted passenger there may be more information about her at SA Archives or SLSA. She was the only JENKINS on the Mary Shepherd
GRG 35/48/1 Official Assisted Passage Passenger Lists 1845 – 1886
Cando
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Hi Jenn and Cando,
It dosen ,t look as if I am going to have any luck find info. on Gwenllian,s background.
I will get the birth of Winifred she died not long after birth.
Is it possible when they wrote up all the information from the old documents, that the marriage could have been overlooked,I suppose the place they keep old information would still have the original documentation.
(also they may never have married)
I thought it might have stated where they lived in Wales.
Thank you both very much for all your help.
regards Estella :'(
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Hi Estella,
If you can find her immigration record, it will probably - as Cando stated - contain more information about her origins, because she was an assisted immigrant. If the records are anything like those for NSW, you will get the names of her parents, her place of residence in Wales, etc.
Cheers
Prue
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Hi Estella
Do you have the death certificate of Winifred/Gwenllian? You can download Victorian certificates straight onto your computer. It could have her place of birth (if the informant knew it), but still may say only Wales or Swansea :-\
Judith
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Thank you all for the information, yes I have the death certificate but it only states she came from Swansea Wales.
If I can get info on her immigration record that most likeky would help.
but back then they might not have kept so good records, but I will try,I will have to send to England for that ?
thank you all
Estella.
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Hi Estella :)
Cando has provided the info you need to obtain a copy of the passenger list:
On the shipping record she is listed as Gwenllean JENKINS. As she is an assisted passenger there may be more information about her at SA Archives or SLSA. She was the only JENKINS on the Mary Shepherd
GRG 35/48/1 Official Assisted Passage Passenger Lists 1845 – 1886
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Hi Estella
On FreeBMD I see a number of Gwenllian Jenkins born in Neath at about the time of your Gwen. Neath is not far from Swansea. On the census there is also a Gwenlliam Williams living in Llansamlet which is now a suburb of Swansea. Unfortunately there is not enough info to see whether any of them fit.
The South Australian State Library apparently has a free research service so asking them to look up the shipping record that Cando found for you would seem the next thing to do.
http://www.slsa.sa.gov.au/site/page.cfm?u=387
Please let us know how you get on!
Cheers, Judith
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Hi Prue.
I have taken your advise and contacted S.A Library, and now waiting on an answer.
I will let you know if I have any luck.
Estella
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Does death certificate give her parent's names, so you can try to track the family group down in the Welsh censuses?
forget that - just read the other post ... :-[
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Hi Prue and all who have helped me,
had a reply from S.A. Library, Info was that Gwenllian left from Plymouth on the 10th jan 1863, arrived in Port Adelaide 19th April 1863.She was selected by Jeffrey Watkins Agent ,paid 10 shillings to come, she was a domestic servant.Reg No was D3186 Glamorgan.
Could be Gwenllian born between Oct and Dec. Breconshire Mid Glam. Dist. Merthur Rydfil Volume 26 Page377.
As she travelled on her own they think she may have come out to make a new life for herself,and she may never have known her father .
Many thanks for all your help
Estella
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Hi Estella :)
Glad that you have found out at least something about your lady...what a pity there was no more info on the shipping register, but you know at least that she was from Glamorgan.
Cheers
Prue
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Oh Estella, how nice to get a little bit more. :)
If you give the exact date of her death I'd be happy to look up newspapers of the time to see if there are any notices.
I'm not sure I would necessarily agree with the SALS people. The info you have suggests she was born in Swansea and there are births listed on Free BMD which were closer to Swansea than Merthyr is.
The 1861 Wales census shows 3 possibles for your Gwen - and there are probably others.
Gwenllian Jenkins b abt 1845 Aberdare, Glamorgan, Wales; Servant living at Aberdare, Glamorgan
Gwenllian Jenkins b abt 1845 Cowbridge, Glamorgan, Wales; Servant living at Coity, Glamorgan
Gwenllian Jenkins b abt 1846 Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales; Servant at Brecon St Mary, Breconshire
The 1851 is less helpful with no clear matches although, as I said before, there is the girl born and living in Llansamlet which is now a suburb of Swansea but is in the Neath registration district. The mother's name is given as Rachel though :( Free BMD shows one Neath registration in 1841 and two in 1842 for Gwenllian JENKINS.
Sadly I think this may be the brick wall for Gwen/Winifred
Judith
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Hi guys
For some reason I haven't been getting notifications of this thread!
I wondered about the agent - Jeffrey WATKINS - who selected Gwenllian as suitable for emigration to Oz. Does anyone know much about this process? Would he have lived locally to the people he selected, or did such people travel around and spend time in Oz too?
The reason I ask is that there seems to be only one Jeffrey W in Wales in 1861 (i.e. just prior to Gwen's journey) - and he lives in Breconshire!
RG9/4130/8/11
Kind regards, Arranroots ;)