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I only have Hannah Taylor b 16/08/1874 at Hindmarsh and Fred (not Fredrick) b 28/09/1881 (registered 14/10/1881) at New Thebarton, Hindmarsh, South Australia. The parents are George Taylor an Engineer and Mary Ann Richardson. I have nothing more on Hannah, George or Mary Ann - don't know if they came from England or where-ever. I am unsure if there were any other children. I have no marriage or deaths for any in Australia. Fred came to NZ when he was about 17-19 (1898-90). I have everything on Fred once he married in NZ - he is my husbands Grandfather. I do know that around 1915-20 George & Mary Ann were still in South Australia wanting to come to NZ but Fred's wife sent the mail back return to sender. Family lost contact after that.
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Hi Kiwitaylor,
A Big Welcome to RootsChat. ;D
I don't see any further births to this couple, nor do they appear to have married in SA. I do however note the arrival on the 10 May 1874 aboard the HESPERUS
TAYLOR George
TAYLOR Mary A
TAYLOR George
TAYLOR William
Of course with such a common name there may be others.
Cheers Kris
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Hi Kris
The children George & William have poped up a couple of times - they both died WW1. But I don't have their births, to show mothers maiden name. On the AIF records it showed both born in SA - George in Hindmarsh. I have a feeling they may not be Mary Ann (nee Richardson) there were so many George Taylor's married to a Mary Ann.
We were told that there were two sisters of Fred but I can't find them. I don't even know where George Taylor & Mary Ann Richardson married or died.
Many thanks. 8)
Cheers
Kiwi
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Possible death for George
TAYLOR George died 27 Feb 1885 Hospital Adelaide Dist Ade 144 423. He was aged 46, status relative not recorded. Residence Hindmarsh.
There are possible fits re marriages using these possible sons names in the right area but alas with such a common name :-\
TAYLOR William 23 single father George TAYLOR = LAMPSHIRE Emily 24 single father Josiah LAMPSHIRE 25 Feb 1887 Baptist Manse West Hindmarsh Dist Hin 150/725
TAYLOR George 22 Single father George TAYLOR - MCGREGOR Agnes 22 single father James MCGREGOR 6 Nov 1888 Res of Rev O Lake Brompton Dist Hin 157/452
Cheers Kris :)
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Are you sure it was these boys who perished in WW1 or perhaps their sons?
Kris :)
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Kiwi Taylor - good to see you here (focuson - trademe) Have you tried here as well? they were awesome in helping with my shipping list.
http://www.naa.gov.au/
Record search
Seach now - as a guest
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Hi Kris
The death of George is the birth era but I think ours died in early 1900's.
The marriages for George & William would make them born 1860's they may be too old as Hannah was b 1874 and Fred b 1881.
I will keep all this just in case though. ???
What a great start, many thanks
Sons in WW1 - William was single age 26 died June 1916, George m. Cecilia Alice MC LOUGHLIN 1911 in Perth was age 32 died Dec 1916.
So probably different George & William again to yours. Never thought it would be easy !!!
Cheers
Kiwi
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Where would I start to find records of Fred Taylor coming to NZ from South Australia around 1898-1900??
All this certainly makes you interested.
Cheers
Kiwi
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Hi Kiwi,
Sorry for the delay - I am able to do a more comprehensive search tonight. ;)
TAYLOR George was buried 26 Jun 1910 at Hindmarsh - He was aged 71 years. Residence Coglin Street. Plot H54
TAYLOR Mary Ann was buried 3 Aug 1917 at Hindmarsh. She was aged 80 years. Residence Coglin Street. Plot H54
No monuments.
DEATHS
TAYLOR George died 24 Jun 1910 Hospital Adelaide Dist Ade 349 458. He was aged 70, married residence Brompton. Relative G TAYLOR (Son)
TAYLOR Mary Ann died 2 Aug 1917 Hospital Magill Dist Nor 412 3. She was aged 79, a widow, residence Brompton Park. Relative George TAYLOR deceased husband.
Looks very promising that they are indeed the family arriving in 1874 aboard the HESPERUS Mary Ann of an age to have had all 4 children. I will check the passenger list when next at the library.
Not sure about outward passenger lists for that era. There is an index for earlier outwards but only newspaper entries so not very detailed. Alas the index does not go cover this period. Will see what I can find out.
Cheers Kris :)
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Looks like William and Emily are also at Hindmarsh
TAYLOR Emily was buried 30 Nov 1927. She was aged 65 years. Residence Winwood St Southwark. Plot L44
TAYLOR William was buried 2 Jul 1951. He was aged 87 years. Residence Paget St Croydon. Plot L43
No Monuments
DEATHS
TAYLOR Emily died 28 Nov 1927 Hospital Adelaide. Dist Ade 500 32. She was aged 65 years, married, residence Southwark. Relative William TAYLOR Husband.
TAYLOR William died 7 Jul 1951 Hospital Adelaide Dist Ade 770 3503. He was aged 87 widowed, residence Croydon. Relative not recorded.
Cheers Kris :)
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BISA
TAYLOR George born about 840 arrived 1874 aboard the HESPERUS 0ccupation Agricultural Labourer
married Mary A. born about 1839 childdren Alfred about 1863, William about 1865, George about 1867, Elizabeth about 1871
Looking again I note Alfred and Elizabeth are also aboard the ship.
Cheers Kris :)
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And here they all are in 1871 ;)
RG10/4550 Folio 50 Page 31
13 Sussex Court
Leeds
Yorkshire
TAYLOR George Head 31 Mar b Sheffield Woollen Cleaner
TAYLOR Mary A Wife 33 Mar b Morley Woollen Weaver
TAYLOR William Son 6 b Morley Scholar
TAYLOR George Son 4 b Leeds
TAYLOR Elizabeth A Dau 1 b Leeds
RG10/4579 Folio 34 Page 13
60 Bank Street Crowthers Yard
Morley
Yorkshire
RICHARDSON James Head 59 Mar b Churwell Road Lab
RICHARDSON Hannah Wife 58 Mar b Morley Road Labs wife
RICHARDSON James Son 19 b Morley Cloth Miller
RICHARDSON Nathaniel Son 18 b Morley Cloth Finisher
TAYLOR Alfred Grandson 9 b Morley
Cheers Kris :)
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George TAYLOR = Mary Ann RICHARDSON Jun 1/4 1861 Dewsbury 9b 599
Cheers Kris :)
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DAVIS Frederick William 23 single father William DAVIS = TAYLOR Elizabeth Ann 21 single father George TAYLOR 4 Apr 1891 Res of Rev E G Day Adelaide Dist Ade 167 506
Cheers Kris :)
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Hi Kris ;D ;D
I can't thank you enough. You have TOTALLY blown me away, what a lot of info. It has started a whole lot of more questions.
Was there any mention of George (Snr) parents on his marriage or death cert? What was his occupation on death cert, on Fred's birth it stated Engineer.
Have you found anything about Hannah b. 1874 Hindmarsh, did she marry and have children? Did Elizabeth & Fredrick or William & Emily have children? What happend to son George, I see he was mentioned on his fathers death record?
WOW all this ties into the little bit of conversation within the NZ family over Fred's past. Just hope we can find Fred coming to NZ now.
Thank you so much Kris - what a great Chrissy present for the family.
Thank you
Kiwi
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You are very welcome Kiwi,
Glad to help. Sorry the delay. It has been a hard week, but with a little quiet time last night I got stuck in.
Sorry only the certs can answer your questions, although SA certs are quite expensive and provide little more than our excellent indexes.
Information on SA certificates.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=368744.0
Alas father will not be named on death cert. Marriage cert he will be named. You can purchase this from.
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/
Engineer seems a long way from Woolllen Cleaner. :-\
I could find no further sightings of Hannah or Alfred in SA.
Wondering if Fred may have travellerd bith big brother perhaps?
Cheers Kris :)
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Looks like this could be him in the1861 census (In the right place and occupation in the wool industry)
RG9/3397 Folio 62 Page 16
Town End
Morley
TAYLOR Charles Head 60 Widow b Sheffield Lab
TAYLOR George Son 19 b Sheffield Willower (wool)
RG9/3398 Folio 63 Page 33
Banks Hill
Morley
RICHARDSON James Head 49 mar b Churwell Woollen Cloth Dresser
RICHARDSON Hannah Wife 48 Mar b Morley
RICHARDSON Mary Ann Dau 23 Unm b Morley Woolen Cloth Weaver
RICHARDSON Nat Son 8 b Morley
Cheers Kris :)
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Births to William TAYLOR and Emily LAMPSHIRE
Frederick Roy 16 Sep 1887 Brompton Dist Hin 404 118
big gap
Doris 3 Apr 1895 Thebarton Dist Hin 561 421
Alma Elizabeth 1 Sep 1896 Thebarton Dist Hin 590 183
Herbert Edgar 1 Dec 1899 West Thebarton Dist Hin 634 74
Cheers Kris :)
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Births to George TAYLOR and Agnes McGREGOR
Catherine Drybrough Adelaide 28 Nov 1888 Hindmarsh Dist Hin 429 62
Agnes Ann 27 Mar 1890 Hindmarsh Dist Hin 456 308
George 6 May 1892 Hindmarsh Dist Hin 500 408
James 18 Aug 1894 Brompton Dist Hin 548 225
Violet Elizabeth Ellen 23 Dec 1899 Wolseley Dist Hind 651 408
Hector Gordon 6 Jan 1901 Wolseley nr Hindmarsh Dist Hin 683 45
Eva Marjorie 5 Mar 1905 Wolseley Nr Hindmarsh Dist Hin 744 71
Cheers Kris :)
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Births to Frederick William DAVIS and Elizabeth Ann TAYLOR
George William 14 Mar 1892 Hindmarsh Dist Hin 496 22
Mary Elizabeth 16 Feb 1894 Hindmarsh Dist Hin 536 405
Cheers Kris :)
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Hi Kris,
To my knowledge Fred was the only member to come to NZ, there was never any mention of siblings in NZ, the shipping records will hopefully enlighten us when found. Fred & Ada only mentioned Fred having two sisters - in Fred's eyes they were very intelligent, giving the impression they were younger than Fred but obviously they were in fact older.
Thank you so much for all the help. A great find including Fred's siblings children. That area was mentioned on Fred's birth certificate. Were you able to find Fred in the family anywhere from your searches, birth cert page 333 Book 272 District of Hindmarsh, SA.
Regards
Kiwi
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Elizabeth Ann DAVIS died 10 Oct 1895 Brompton Dist Hin 229 428. She was married, aged 25 years, residence Brompton relative Frederick DAVIS husband.
Elizabeth Ann DAVIS was buried 12 Oct 1895 Hindmarsh.Residence Brompton plot w46
Frederick William DAVIS was buried 22 Apr 1945 Hindmarsh. He was aged 77 years, residence 72 Chief Street Brompton Plot D2/a
Looks like he remarried
Emily Eliza DAVIS was buried 4 Feb 1929. she was aged 56 years residence Chief St Brompton Plot D2
Cheers Kris :)
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There are no records that I can think which will show the family group.
I cannot see any mention of George TAYLOR an engineer in anything I can access
1903 PO Directory
these seem to fit with the births of George and William's children.
TAYLOR George - Railway Terrace Wolseley
TAYLOR William - Labourer - Murray St West Thebarton
George and Mary Ann's know address at death was Coglin St. Interestingly there is a Richard H TAYLOR an Engineer in the street.
Cheers Kris :)
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Georges death and funeral notices
http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/5271707?searchTerm=%22george+taylor%22
http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/5271880?searchTerm=%22george+taylor%22
and Mary Ann
http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/5540879?searchTerm=%22george+taylor%22
unfortunately children not listed.
Cheers Kris :)
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Can you find any mention of a Hannah or Fred being born in The Newbarton, Hindmarsh?
Would I have to obtain the death cert of George & Mary Ann for full death cert details?
Regards
Thelma
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Yes the births are listed - Parents George TAYLOR and Mary Ann RICHARDSON
TAYLOR Hannah 16 Aug 1874 Hindmarsh Dist Hin 140 397
TAYLOR Fred 28 Sep 1881 New Thebarton Dist Hin 272 33
You can purchase death certs from
http://www.ocba.sa.gov.au/bdm/
Cost is $39.50 each :o
or you can purchase a transcript for $15
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,280572.msg1367795.html#msg1367795
Information contained on SA certificates
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=368744.0
Cheers Kris :)
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TAYLOR Agnes died 5 Jan 1930 Croydon West Dist Hin 517 505. She was married, aged 63 years residence West Croydon relative George TAYLOR Husband.
TAYLOR George died 12 Apr 1841 West Croydon Dist Hin 635 1586. He was widowed, aged 74, residence West Croydon relative not recorded.
They were not buried at Hindmarsh
Cheers Kris :)
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The George (son) that lived in Railway Road I have found two of his sons, I think.
AIF records
William Taylor Reg # 185 - 10th Bn.
Father George Taylor, Railway Terrace, Croydon
Born Adelaide SA (1892?) - Occupation Fireman SAR
Enlisting address Wehl Street, Mount Gambier
Embarked - HMAT A19 Afric on 09/06/1916
Died France 18/09/1918 - Cerisy-Gailly Cemetery
Single 26 yrs
Religion Bapist
George Taylor Reg # 3223 - 51st Bn.
Parents George and Mary Ann Taylor
Born Hindmarsh SA (1885?)- State School - Occupation Horse driver
Enlisting address 142 Havelock Street, West Perth, WA
Wife Cecilia Alice (nee McLoughlin), 55 Glendower Street, North Perth, WA
Embarked - HMAT A35 Berrima 23/12/1916
Killed in action 26/09/1917 Ypres, Belgium - No known grave
Age 32 years
Religion Roman Catholic
Cecilia A Taylor was still on the WA census in 1954. No idea if they had any children though.
The George (son) you have married Agnes so perhaps these two are from a different George andMary Ann Taylor???
Please advise if you think these are not connected.
Regards
Thelma
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Hi Thelma,
I think you will find these are the children of George TAYLOR and Mary LYSAGHT so suspect the directory entry is them also. (Railway Terrace) Trouble with such common names
George 16 Jan 1886 Brompton
William Augustin 8 Oct 1890 Hindmarsh
and others born in the area
Cheers Kris :)
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They married in 1880, aged 24 - his father Alfred. In 1898, aged 40 he married her sister Jane.
I did have his death as George (Agnes husband) till I noted he was 10 years too old. ;)
Kris :)
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Hi Kiwi,
Sorry no outward passenger lists.
arrival on the 10 May 1874 aboard the HESPERUS
TAYLOR George 34 Ag Lab
TAYLOR Mary A 35
TAYLOR Alfred 11
TAYLOR Wm 9
TAYLOR Geo 7
TAYLOR Eliz 3
Cheers Kris :)
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Hello
Have just come across these posts for Taylor and Richardson as I am helping my husband with research into his Taylor Family.
His grandfather was George Taylor born 6th May 1892 in Hindmarsh South Australia, son of George Taylor and Agnes McGregor.
George Taylor my husband's grandfather married Louisa Bertha (Gertrude) Tannebring on the 6th April 1914 in South Australia. Their son Kenneth Frank Taylor was my husband's father!
Regards
radrian8888
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The George and Mary Ann who migrated on the Hesperus with their children, who were wool cleaners and weavers as shown in the English Census documents of 1861 and 1871 are NOT the parents of Fred...they lived in Birmingham according to the 1871 Census with Fred aged 3 and two lodgers.
I am seeking more information about George and Mary Ann, parents of Alfred, Elizabeth, William and George. Particularly George (Jr) who married Agnes McGregor and went on to have nine children (by my records!).
Many thanks.
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Thank you for your post josee1.
I have Fred Taylor born 1881 Hindmarsh Adelaide South Australia to George and Mary Ann (nee RICHARDSON) Taylor - as shown on Fred's birth certificate which I have.
I agree George & Mary Ann who migrated on the Hesperus are not the parents of the Fred Taylor aged 3 in 1871 census at Birmingham - a bit before our Fred was born.
I have George & Mary Ann (nee Richardson) Taylor's marriage certificate and who their fathers were. I also have the census records for both families up to departure to Australia, showing the 4 children who were born in Yorkshire UK.
Many Thanks
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Thank you :)
That clarifies things a bit. It is all very complicated... the repetition of names and crossover of dates has confused me no-end.
So I have George Taylor (1840-1910) son of Charles Taylor (1817-?) and Ann (1816-?) and Mary Ann Richardson (1838-1917) daughter of James Richardson (1812-?) and Hannah (1813-?). Does that line up with what you have?
Of their children, I am most interested in George (1867-1941) and Agnes McGregor (1867-1930) and their children. They would be my great, great grandparents. So I really want to confirm that I have the right line of George Taylors.
Any information you can share would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks, Josee
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Hello Josee
My husband's grandfather was George Taylor born 1892 in South Australia, he was George Taylor and Agnes McGregor's son. He was the 3rd of the nine children and died in 1951 in South Australia.
Regards radrian8888
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Hi,
Thanks! I will change the dates I have for your George... he would be the older brother of Eva Marjorie :D
Eva died in 1942 from an illness and her son (my grandfather) was raised by the youngest sister, Dorothy Mavis.
...making Kenneth Frank the cousin of my grandfather!
It is very exciting when pieces of the puzzle come together :)
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Also, George, Agnes and Eva Marjorie all share a plot at the Cheltenham Cemetery. George Jnr is also at Cheltenham. I will go for a walk tomorrow to check out his headstone - let me know if you would like a pic.
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Yes Josee that is the same George & Mary Ann - exactly the same dates & names I have. It was a common combination - there were so many George and Mary Ann Taylor's but thankfully our's used (nee Richardson) on most documents.
They had the four children Alfred, Elizabeth, William and George born in UK then also Hannah b. 16 Aug 1874 and Fred 28 Sept 1881 (both born Adelaide).
Fred was my husbands Grandfather.
We have very little of the distant relatives in Australia, Fred's siblings children/family - it would be great to make contact with some others. I am happy to share what I have and hopefully you have some of what I am missing. ;)
I see 'radrian' has replied to you so that is good you two can get acquainted - both from the same line, George & Agnes (McGregor).
Thelma
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Wow - thanks!
I had no record of more children being born once they arrived in Australia. Makes sense though...
I am very happy to share anything I have if you let me know where you have a gap.
Cheers!
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Hi,
I am looking into the heritage of (Gladys)Jean Taylor B 1908 M 1929 D 1942
She was the 5th born to George & Agnes (McGregor) Taylor of Croydon SA and brother of George Taylor B1892 D 1951
My Grandfather Allan Averay married Jean and had 3 sons Desmond D 2015 Trevor D 1941 & Brian D 1988 (?)
Can you provide any information on siblings of Jean Taylor as I have found her unmarked grave and would like to connect with anyone in Adelaide to discuss further.
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Hi,
I am looking into the heritage of (Gladys)Jean Taylor B 1908 M 1929 D 1942
She was the 5th born to George & Agnes (McGregor) Taylor of Croydon SA and brother of George Taylor B1892 D 1951
My Grandfather Allan Averay married Jean and had 3 sons Desmond D 2015 Trevor D 1941 & Brian D 1988 (?)
Can you provide any information on siblings of Jean Taylor as I have found her unmarked grave and would like to connect with anyone in Adelaide to discuss further.
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Hi,
Thank you for posting. I had no information about the children of Allan and Jean.
I do have my grandfather's diaries from the early 1940's with references to Auntie Jean and Uncle Allan. Jean died just two days after her sister (my grandfather's mother) and Uncle Allan is mentioned as looking after my then-twelve-year old grandfather.
I have the children of George Taylor and Agnes (McGregor) as:
Catherine Dryborough Taylor B1888 D1968
Agnes Ann Taylor B1890 D1980
George Taylor B1892 D1951
James McGregor Taylor B1894 D1953
Violet Elizabeth Ellen Taylor B1899 D1994
Hector Gordon Taylor B1901 D1975
Eva Marjorie Taylor B 1905 D1942 (this is my line)
Gladys Jean Taylor B1908 D1942
Dorothy Mavis Taylor B1911 D1996
George and Agnes (parents) and Eva share a plot at Cheltenham Cemetery Section: Section CX Drive: A Path (#): 10(21) Site Number: 279N. As with the other family members, the plot is unmarked.
Jean and Eva both died of TB (we think).
I have never found any photographs of any family members - this is the ultimate aim for me now.
Let me know if you want to share more!
Cheers, Jo