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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Fermanagh => Topic started by: Carlm on Friday 11 December 09 07:47 GMT (UK)
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Well that's an enormous subject isn't it?
My great grandfather James Maguire's cemetery record shows that he came from Enniskillen. He was born in February of 1826 or 1828 to Thomas and Lucy (nee Patterson) Maguire. Thomas and Lucy were married in the C of I Diocese of Clogher in 1820.
The family, Thomas, and Lucy,children Margaret, Mary Ann, James, John, and Susan emigrated in July of 1847 out of Londonderry aboard the Superior. Their ticket said their residence before embarkation was Blacklion. Lucy's brother William also came on the same ticket.
So where were they from really, Fermanagh or Cavan?
I also found a trace of a William and a Lucy Patterson, brother and sister, in Sligo.
Can anyone shed any more light on Thomas and Lucy? Like where in the huge Diocese of Clogher they were actually married?
Like who their parents were?
Thomas lived from 1782 to 1867, dying in Toronto Canada, and Lucy lived from 1806 to 1875, and is also buried in Toronto.
If anybody needs help with graveyards in the Yukon, I'll be glad to help out.
Thanks
Carl
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Another post on Cavan board-
www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=424350.new#new
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Calm, Read your message with great interest as Thomas Maguire,husband of Lucy,is my great-great-great grandfather. His son,William b.1824 d.11 Oct.1892 married Anne Maguire i.e. both Maguires,on 20 Dec.1845;my great-grandfather,Loftus Albert Maguire b.1848 was the second child of this marriage. I have information/questions re these ancestors,and we may be able to help each other.My e-mail address is : (*) Love to hear from you!
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Hello eamag:
I'm in Ireland right now, so it would be a good time to exchange information. Check your private message box.
Carl
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New members usually need 3 posts before using PM system so eamag may not have gotten the private message you sent.
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Colm,I'm still not sure how this system works. All I've read is your short reply. Apparently I have to post three messages before I qualify to use the PM facility?? In the meantime I'll just add that I have a copy of my Great-Great Grandfther's (i.e. William's) marriage cert. He and Anne were married in Rossorry Parish Church (Rossorry is now a suburb of Enniskillen) on 29 Dec.1845. Father's name is given as Thomas Maguire and a witness is William Maguire Senior.I also have a record of William's sister May who never married. Her dates are 1821 to 11 March 1902. There seems to be a strong link between the Maguires of "back then" and Rossorry C of I,Old and New. There are a number of early 18th Cent Maguire burials in the Old Rossory graveyard,and the seven sons + one daughter of William and Anne were all baptised in the New Rossossy Church. More in due course. Are you going to Enniskillen? Do I have lots of relatives in Canada? Regards,Eamag
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Hello eamag:
I'm still feeling my way around this site myself. (In addition to using an unfamiliar laptop)
Until now I had no trace of a William, but as I also have no birthdates for Margaret and Mary Ann, a William from 1824 certainly fits.
So William and Anne managed to say in Ireland. From your research do the other siblings that I listed fit? If so, your great great grandfather's brother James (my line) had five or six kids in Canada, so indirectly, yes you have plenty of relatives there.
We're headed for Enniskillen in a day or two.
Next posting I promise to have my bare bones travelling research papers in the same room as the internet link.
Carl
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Hi Carlm and eamag,
can I just bookmark for now....
Viv
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Sorry Aghadowey...
thanks for the information - will do that in future.
Viv
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If you go through www.google.com when the box comes up type in Maguire of Fermanagh
there is a article about the Maguires by a John O'Donovan the Maguire were chiefs.
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If you go through www.google.com when the box comes up type in Maguire of Fermanagh
there is a article about the Maguires by a John O'Donovan the Maguire were chiefs.
It is really easier if the link is given-
http://www.libraryireland.com/articles/MaguiresDuffysHibernian2-10/index.php
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My Maguires came from Cleggan near Mullaghdun. Four of five children plus the Patterson listed on the ticket are matched with the parents and the marriage. Many thanks to the Rector's Churchwarden of Cleenish and Mullaghdun for his investigation on my behalf, and to Elwyn of Antrim for his advice.
I'd still like to know why they listed Blacklion as residence before embarkation. Yes, it was perhaps better known than Cleggan, but I've a feeling there was some other connection.
Carl
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Seeking Anne Maguire (b. circa 1855) and her ancestors. Father was Pat Maguire whose occupation was a farmer. She married Felix McCann 28 Feb. 1877 in Enniskillen. Felix McCann's father was Joseph McCann, occupation laborer. Both Anne and Felix appear in the 1901 census at 11 Silverhill Townland, Enniskillen Rural, Co. Fermanagh. Anne and Felix McCann had 10 children born with 8 living in 1901. Daughter Maggie (Margaret Anne McCann, born circa 1893) was my grandmother. Would also like info on Maggie's siblings and their descendants.
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As I just posted on another thread here- Maguire is probably one of the most common surnames in Fermanagh which will make it more difficult to sort out which particular people belong to which family.
To trace your particular family you'll need to know the townland where they lived. What's Anne's residence at the time she got married?
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It would be helpful to know if they were C of I or RC. Then you might be able to narrow down the church they were married in.
Carl
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eamag,
I am doing research on Loftus Albert Maguire. Do you know why he is buried in Dundonald Cemetrry with the Hanford family? Also, I only have 3 of his siblings. Can you post the names of the brothers and sisters? Thanks
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Not sure if this is any connection but there's a Loftus Maguire born Cork in 1901 census whose father was born in Fermanagh-
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Cork/Goleen/Goleen/1158289/
Loftus Albert Maguire (age 71) died 31 Jan.1911 and his address was 49 Kimberley St. Looks his family in 1911 census-
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Ormeau/Kimberley_Street/214799/
Loftus Albert Maguire buried plot E3 606 at Dundonald Cemetery. Helen Emily Maguire, age 82, of 48 Newry Street, died 21 Dec.1927 and buried in same plot. Also in same plot: Elizabeth Maguire, age 93, James Dixon Home, died 5 July 1973.
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Thank you.
There is another Loftus Albert Maguire buried at Dundonald according to cemetery records.
Grave 461, E3
James Gilmore - husband of Charlotte Ellis's sister, Mary.45 yrs. 22-09-1909
Maud Marion Hanford 2yrs 8mths 08-11-10
Loftus Albert Maguire 68 yrs 03-02-1911 -
Julia Hanford. 67 yrs. 28-10-1937
Henry Hanford 67 01-02-1949
I am trying to figure out how he was related to the Hanfords.
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Henry & Julia Hanford on 1911 census-
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Clifton__Belfast_Urban_No__2/Madison_Avenue/134563/
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Hi cwfqueen:
eamag should be getting in touch. His grandad was Loftus Albert Maguire.
Cheers
Carl
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I've now travelled back as far as 1820 to the townland of Cleggan and the Cornagee Church of Ireland which is now the Mullaghdun Parish Church in the parish of Cleenish and Mullaghdun. My great great grandfolks, Thomas MAGUIRE b. 1782, and Lucy PATTERSON b. 1806 were the fifth couple to be married in the then new church, 24 November 1820. Lucy shown as being from Cleggan, Thomas from "Derrybyon, Rossorry"; (My best guess is a transcription error of Drumlyon, Rossorry.)
Daughter Mary Ann baptised 01 July 1821.
Son James ( my great grand father) baptised 19 June 1825.
Margaret Jane baptised 18 July 1829.
Susan born 17 June 1841, baptised 18 July 1841
Son John who was born about 1836 is not recorded here.
There were a Thomas and Eliza Patterson also living in Cleggan who had a son William baptised 01 June 1823, making him a contemporary of my James Maguire, and a possible cousin of Lucy. When the family emigrated to Canada in 1847, a William Patterson was listed on the same ticket.
The ticket for passage on the J & J Cooke ship Superior out of Londonderry may have been purchased in Blacklion. It seems to be the nearest town large enough to have a ticketing agent.
I'm still looking for traces of Lucy Patterson's parents in the area served by the Cornagee (Mullaghdun) Church of Ireland, and Thomas Maguire's family perhaps near Drumlyon, Rossorry.
All leads most appreciated!
Cheers
Carl
"Never pass a bar with your name on it." (Pete McCarthy's eighth rule of foreign travel.)
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I now have a scan of the original record of the Thomas Maguire- Lucy Patterson marriage in 1820, and Thomas' home townland is obviously "Derry-something". Most assuredly not "Drum-anything". I'm not surprised that the transcriber called it "Derrybyon". I'd have called it "Derrydoon" myself. The second part is probably Rossorry all right.
So.
Derrybyon doesn't exist.
Derrydoon is in Galloon, not Rossorry.
Would the minister have written in two prior townlands or parishes without a comma or an and between them? Where was Thomas Maguire from?
Cheers
Carl
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Seeking Anne Maguire (b. circa 1855) and her ancestors. Father was Pat Maguire whose occupation was a farmer. She married Felix McCann 28 Feb. 1877 in Enniskillen. Felix McCann's father was Joseph McCann, occupation laborer. Both Anne and Felix appear in the 1901 census at 11 Silverhill Townland, Enniskillen Rural, Co. Fermanagh. Anne and Felix McCann had 10 children born with 8 living in 1901. Daughter Maggie (Margaret Anne McCann, born circa 1893) was my grandmother. Would also like info on Maggie's siblings and their descendants.
I have figured out the 10 Children from Anne and Felix McCann: Patrick (1877), Bridget (1879), Joseph (1883), Catherine (1884), John (1885), Felix (1887), Mary Jane (1890), Maggie A. (1893), Lizzie (1895), and Hugh (1896).