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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lincolnshire => Topic started by: greenman on Thursday 10 December 09 10:12 GMT (UK)
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My great-great-grandmother, Ellen Gray was born in Sleaford in , one of the many children of Thomas Gray and Mary (Marfleet). Thomas was a tailor, with premises in East Street, next to the Wagon and Horses public house.
Ellen married Marmaduke Stephenson Hebb of North Frodingham, and they moved south to London.
Ellen's sister Amy married a coal porter from Ewerby: Luke Holderness (b.1845). They lived in Sleaford.
Does anyone have any information about the Holderness family ? I know that one of Luke and Amy's children, Luke Edmund, died in the Great War, in 1916. His name is on the town's war memorial. I'd like to follow the Holdernesses back as far as possible.
Many thanks!
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HI greenman
Here are the Holderness on the 1851 Census
Luke Holderness Head age 53 Born Swaton Linc.
Ann " Wife age 45 Born Ewerby
Fanny " Dau age 12 " "
Jane " Dau age 9 " "
Emma " Dau age 8 " "
Luke " Son age 6 " "
HO107 2101 Folio 151 Page 1
Regards Pughy
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HI greenman
Here they are in 1841
Luke Holderness age 40
Ann " age 35
Thomas " age 9
Mathew " age 7
Mary " age 5
Ann " age 4
Fanny " age 2
Jane " age 14 Days
HO 107 618 Folio 3 Page 1
Regards
Pughy
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Luke's marriage in 1828 http://freereg.rootsweb.com/cgi/SearchResults.pl?RecordType=Marriages&RecordID=1271006
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HI greenman
There are a Number of people on Ancestry who have Holderness in their trees.Info from one of them
gives the following from a tree open to the public
Luke Holderness born 1798
FATHER Mathew Holderness born 20th Dec Horbling Lincolnshire died not known
MOTHER Ann Wilcock born 31st Oct 1762 Aunsby Lincolnshire died 20th May 1854
This is a tree open to the public but there are others which are private which you would have to make contact to exchange info, hope this is a help
Regards
Pughy
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HI greenman
There are a Number of people on Ancestry who have Holderness in their trees.Info from one of them
gives the following from a tree open to the public
Luke Holderness born 1798
FATHER Mathew Holderness born 20th Dec Horbling Lincolnshire died not known
MOTHER Ann Wilcock born 31st Oct 1762 Aunsby Lincolnshire died 20th May 1854
This is a tree open to the public but there are others which are private which you would have to make contact to exchange info, hope this is a help
Regards
Pughy
Yes, I would have suspected they were Luke's parents as they had 4 kids bap at Swaton in the 1790s.
Matthew was buried at Billingborough 10 Feb 1836 aged 72.
Ann (89 and Blind) was at daughter Ann BELLEMY's in 1851. Ancestry have chosen to put her in the next household ::) Old Ann was said to have been born in Great Gonerby in that record. She was buried 24 May 1854 in Osbournby aged 92+.
Matt and Ann married 1786 at Walcot by Folkingham.
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HI greenman
A bit more info from another public tree
Mathew Holderness FATHER Richard Holderness born 13th Mar 1739 Horbling Linc
Marriage to ANN ??? 1757 in Bilingborough Linc.
Regards
Pughy
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This is superb! Thank you all very much.
Cheers -
Francis
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HI greenman
A bit more info from another public tree
Mathew Holderness FATHER Richard Holderness born 13th Mar 1739 Horbling Linc
Marriage to ANN ??? 1757 in Bilingborough Linc.
Regards
Pughy
Pughy tells me he found this info "on a public tree" ... my marriage index has the 1757 Billingborough marriage as Richard HOLDERNESS to Frances BUCKBERRY.
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Blimey just what i need to see/ confirm what im looking for Gray/holderness are part of my family tree.
my surname is holderness and i have always been confused to how the surname changes so quickly.
My grandparents (my dads mum and dad of course) are derek and daisy (nee fowler) are no longer with us, but not yet added them onto my Tree i will be now, once i've copied all this info down, i recognise some of the names as we have a massive family bible with the Gray names in it
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krystle
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Hey Krystle, this is very good news. Any chance I could have some of the names from your family bible as well ? I'd like to complete various branches if possible, and it would be nice to know where Luke Holderness came from.
Best wishes,
Do feel free to get in touch.
Francis
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yeah sure of course, are you on ancestry by any chance if you are may be could compare trees, (pm your tree name and ill do mine)
will get a list up and sort as best i can with all names etc i have.
i've been trying to map out a tree from the info i have looked out on here,
i've heard of roots web but never really looked until yesterday when i found all this info,
will defo stay in touch etc,
many thanks
krystle
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Hello, I'm not on ancestry, and the best I can offer at the moment is the blogsite, which does have all the names I've got so far.
I will put an actual tree together, when I can get my head round how to do it.
I shall have a further look at rootsweb - I think rootschat is superb - it really is the only one to have supplied any answers to anything, and the people on here are extremely pleasant and helpful. Which, let's face it, is a bonus!
I am so pleased you got in touch - I suppose we are cousins of a kind, through the Gray side of things (Thomas and Mary). About two years ago I had absolutely no idea that I had any relatives - least of all in the north of England.
All good wishes,
Francis
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cool ancestry is ok, but can get on your nerves at times,it might be worth taking a look at the site, to see if it'll help you put the tree into some sort of sense.
looking at the gray i've found with you seems cofusing.I also have a cd disk 'who do you think you are' to which you can add people onto.
is there any other gray/holdernesses on here, apart from who i have seen commenting on threads, i can either pm u the info or put on this thread for the others to see.
Great to hear from you again
krystle
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Hello,
I'll pm you my email address if you don't mind.
Of course I quite understand if you'd rather keep it to the rootschat site, but I'll be guided by you on that one.
Cheers again -
Francis.
I shall add any information that's relevant to my blogsite. I haven't explored the Holdernesses more than the bits I've told you about - just because I have been concentrating on more immediate family, going back through Ellen Gray, to Thomas and Mary.
I got sidetracked (!) onto the Holdernesses because I liked the name, and when I add someone, I like to fill in as much detail as I can. However, as we all know, there are only so many hours in a day, and this can all become very very time-consuming. I have to try and do some ordinary work as well!
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Fair amount of Holderness data in my database. Feel free to take what you need
Regardsa
Jacky
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How lovely of you. Thank you very much.
All good wishes,
Francis
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brill will have a look?
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Jacky Blimey
ive been looking at your list, Theres loads, but i know i'll have the task now of finding the right ones for me, a couple that i have clicked on ie Luke Holderness is Brill.
i can't wait to get stuck into it.
Krystle xx
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You are all very welcome - as you can see I am a bit of a genealogy junky and until a couple of weeks back
was computerless for a couple of months. Nightmare!!
Now have lovely go-faster Puter and even better off to Lincoln next week to do some research!
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You are all very welcome - as you can see I am a bit of a genealogy junky and until a couple of weeks back
was computerless for a couple of months. Nightmare!!
Now have lovely go-faster Puter and even better off to Lincoln next week to do some research!
well i know who to come to then lol.
krystle
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Excellent!
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Hi I'm new here having found this site through a search.
Ann Holderness (b. 1836 in Ewerby) is one of my maternal great grandmothers. She was married to Francis William Ream in 1835 in Kirkby le Thorpe. they had 6 children of whom John is my grandfather. Francis Ream died in a work related accident in September 1873 in Scopwick. Ann later married a farmer Robert Elkington and as far as I know they lived in Burtoft, where they had a daughter.
As a matter of coincidence I was born and brought up in the Holderness part of East Yorkshire.
Lots of information for me in this thread.
Many thanks. :)
John.
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Hello john,
Delighted you found it useful. have a look at my blog as well: www.franciswright.wordpress.com and that may well have some other bits and pieces for you.
All the best,
FW
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Hi,
I don't know if this information is useful but on Great Gonerby Parish Records on Reel 884 Section 1/2 on microfilm in Gratham Libray I found the following 3 baptisms for the Wilcock family.
14th June 1761 Ann daughter of Luke & Mary Wilcock
17th Jan 1762 John son of William & Mary Wilcock.
15th May 1763.Elizabeth daughter of Luke & Mary Wilcock.
Plus a marriage.Reel 884 Section 1/5.
18th May 1755 Luke Wilcock of this parish & Mary Hunt of the parish of Manthorpe.
Regards
Kathy
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Better late than never - My great uncle researched the family history of Holderness of South West Lincolnshire and it includes the Matthew Holderness of Horbling who married Ann Wilcock in 1786. Matthew's father, Richard Holderness, married Frances Buckbury (Buckberry) in Billingsborough in 1757. Richard's father was a Matthew Holderness of Horbling, born in 1698, who married firstly in 1723, Ann Ridley; then, in 1729 he married Mary Lion of Horbling. He was able to follow the Holderness line back to a Richard Holderness of Corby, born about 1483. That Richard was my oldest traceable ancestor
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Hello, how very kind of you to post this. Many thanks.
Doesn't matter how long it takes to find the bits and pieces - after all, it's like a gigantic jigsaw ...
Best wishes for Christmas and 2015!
FW